Ending UNRWA and Advancing Peace

[Phoenall]

It’s long past time to defund the black hole that is UNRWA.

The UNRWA is the world's hugest welfare program. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Palestinian Arabs who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency for a terror quasi-state, and it gets $100 million annually from U.S. taxpayers. Does that money go to help impoverished Palestinian Arabs who need to eat and receive medical care or does it buy new Kalashnikovs and plastic explosives for Hamas?

Cutting off UNRWA’s budget would be the appropriate anti-islamic terrorism measure aimed at Hamas in Gaza. It would force them to either provide services to “Palestinian” arabs or admit they have no intention of doing so. It would also send an important message to the UN, which perpetuates the ”Palestinian” arab welfare fraud and lends legitimacy to groups like Hamas through UNRWA’s continued existence.

The US will look for allies in vain. The democratically unaccountable EU will continue to fund UNRWA indefinitely. So it comes down to a US administration that is willing to cut of funding unilaterally.

Shining a spotlight on UNRWA helps educate those who, pathetically, think that the UN is some sort of force for good.

Cutting off UNRWA’s funding would only increase the pressure on Israel for the right to return.

Don't forget the right to return is a two edged sword, so the 1 million Jews displaced since 1948 also must be accommodated. Now how does this solution sound to you, do a land swap on a two to one basis with the Jews giving two acres for every acre of Palestinian land. This would lead to the Palestinians losing all of the west bank and gaza and being forced to migrate back to their country of origin to take up residence on the stolen Jewish land. The biggest loss would be Jerusalem and the temple mount which would be forever closed to Islamic presence.

 

[Phoenall]

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

I bet that racist skank actually does think that?

So what happens if they refuse to take up the offer of citizenship, as many muslims did in 1948 ?

 

[aris2chat]

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

I bet that racist skank actually does think that?

So what happens if they refuse to take up the offer of citizenship, as many muslims did in 1948 ?

Arabs in Israel do not want to be part of an exchange, they want to stay Israelis.
Most if offered Israeli citizenship wold take it. Those that don't would have to make the choice of being palestinains.
Palestine wants no jews, but Israel has a mixed population.
Which one will be the apartheid/racist state?
Palestinians that were part of the reunification program were happy to be Israelis, so were others that entered or invited to Israel.
When the wall went up palestinians wanted to make sure they were on the Israeli side.
For mixed marriages, jews cannot live in the WB or G with their spouses, so the palestinian spouse has to apply to reunite with their Israeli spouse.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

So which country was this defined area in then, as there has never been a nation of Palestine. Many were in Syria, Egypt and Jordan at the time so why haven't they taken on that nationality ?

In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors. Following the international legal framework that had been established by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[abu afak]

BEFORE Tinhead's Cherry-picked excerpt and the "broader context" (which didn't necessarily mean 'palestine' was Arab), was This/the beginning from the Same (Arab-written) Cherry-Picked Link:

1. This paper addresses the status of the inhabitants of the territory that Has BECOME known as ‘Palestine’ and that had been part of the Ottoman Empire since 1516, during the period starting from the beginning of the British occupation on 9 December 1917 until the enforcement of the Palestinian Citizenship Order on 1 August 1925,1 from the perspective of international law.

2. Under the Turkish rule, according to the Ottoman Nationality Law of 19 January 1869, Palestine’s inhabitants were Ottoman citizens. At that time, Legally speaking, there was Nothing called Palestine, Palestinian Nationality, or Palestinians, neither was there anything called Israel, Israeli nationality, or Israelis.
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In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors. Following the international legal framework that had been established by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

BEFORE Tinhead's Cherry-picked excerpt and the "broader context" (which didn't necessarily mean 'palestine' was Arab), was This/the beginning from the Same (Arab-written) Cherry-Picked Link:

1. This paper addresses the status of the inhabitants of the territory that Has BECOME known as ‘Palestine’ and that had been part of the Ottoman Empire since 1516, during the period starting from the beginning of the British occupation on 9 December 1917 until the enforcement of the Palestinian Citizenship Order on 1 August 1925,1 from the perspective of international law.

2. Under the Turkish rule, according to the Ottoman Nationality Law of 19 January 1869, Palestine’s inhabitants were Ottoman citizens. At that time, Legally speaking, there was Nothing called Palestine, Palestinian Nationality, or Palestinians, neither was there anything called Israel, Israeli nationality, or Israelis.
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In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors. Following the international legal framework that had been established by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Palestinians have to be Arab?

I didn't know that. Hmm, you learn something new every day.

 

[abu afak]

BEFORE Tinhead's Cherry-picked excerpt and the "broader context" (which didn't necessarily mean 'palestine' was Arab), was This/the beginning from the Same (Arab-written) Cherry-Picked Link:

1. This paper addresses the status of the inhabitants of the territory that Has BECOME known as ‘Palestine’ and that had been part of the Ottoman Empire since 1516, during the period starting from the beginning of the British occupation on 9 December 1917 until the enforcement of the Palestinian Citizenship Order on 1 August 1925,1 from the perspective of international law.

2. Under the Turkish rule, according to the Ottoman Nationality Law of 19 January 1869, Palestine’s inhabitants were Ottoman citizens. At that time, Legally speaking, there was Nothing called Palestine, Palestinian Nationality, or Palestinians, neither was there anything called Israel, Israeli nationality, or Israelis.
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In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors. Following the international legal framework that had been established by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Palestinians have to be Arab?
I didn't know that. Hmm, you learn something new every day.

They absolutely Do Not have to be Arab
That was MY point.. and the REVERSE of your intended intimation.
Nonetheless, and even without that particular issue, your link Backfired on your for obvious reasons.

While one can get away with your excerpt tactics most of the time.. ya just can't with me.
OUCHER on the portions I BOLDED.
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[P F Tinmore]

BEFORE Tinhead's Cherry-picked excerpt and the "broader context" (which didn't necessarily mean 'palestine' was Arab), was This/the beginning from the Same (Arab-written) Cherry-Picked Link:


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Palestinians have to be Arab?
I didn't know that. Hmm, you learn something new every day.

They absolutely Do Not have to be Arab
That was MY point.. and the REVERSE of your intended intimation.
Nonetheless, and even without that particular issue, your link Backfired on your for obvious reasons.

While one can get away with your excerpt tactics most of the time.. ya just can't with me.
OUCHER on the portions I BOLDED.
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I didn't think so either.

So what is your point.

 

[Phoenall]

Let those people go back home.

Problem solved.

Correct and then Palestine would be a wasteland once again with not a muslim in sight.

 

[Phoenall]

Let those people go back home.

Problem solved.

There is no chance that Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc., are going to accept the financial burden of repatriation for the Arabs falsely labeled as "Palestinians".

The problem of Arab beggars and squatters occupying Palestine is an Arab problem but of course, they understand the dangers presented by "Palestinian' Arabs.

Do a search with "Black September" as the criteria.

I believe that most Palestinians can trace their ancestry back hundreds even thousands of years.

Do you have some statistics to back up your claim?

Of course they can but it is not in Palestine, which is why they say when we go back home to Egypt or Syria.

 

[Phoenall]

I believe that most Palestinians can trace their ancestry back hundreds even thousands of years.

Link?

You are the one claiming that they came from somewhere else. Prove it.

Not that it matters. they were there when the country was defined in 1922. So they go back to the beginning.

Then why hasn't the UN granted them full member status and cast in stone the borders. Why has the UN refused to name them as a sovereign nation and said that they must negotiate borders with Israel. In other words there has never been a nation of Palestine and the way things are going there never will be

 

[Phoenall]

I believe that most Palestinians can trace their ancestry back hundreds even thousands of years.

Link?

You are the one claiming that they came from somewhere else. Prove it.

Not that it matters. they were there when the country was defined in 1922. So they go back to the beginning.

Here you go Herman the truth about your precious Palestinians

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.

So no actual arab descendants

The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[32] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century

barely 100 years old

 

[Phoenall]

You are the one claiming that they came from somewhere else. Prove it.

Not that it matters. they were there when the country was defined in 1922. So they go back to the beginning.

No link for your blustering claim, eh? I didn't there would be.

It is your claim.

Post war treaties state that anyone who normally reside in a newly created state, become citizens of that state.

So that means that the British troops stationed there can claim ownership of the Land, so I own part of Palestine because I had relatives who were in Palestine at the time of these treaties. Will they allow me to claim that villa in gaza because I have a rusty key that fit the door in 1922...........................

 

[Phoenall]

The UN created the Palestinian problem in 1948 and now they have to deal with the results of their action. ...

No Mohamed the child rapist and mental defective created the problem in 627 when he declared holy war on the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

It is your claim.

Post war treaties state that anyone who normally reside in a newly created state, become citizens of that state.

Link?

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

Well many of the muslims claiming nationality did not live in Palestine before 1967, they were planted there by the arab league. Just as the rest were planted there prior to the 20C by the arab league

 

[Phoenall]

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

I was anticipating that you would be unable to support your specific claim. And you were unable.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So if they did not live there at that one specific moment in time they cant claim nationality can they. So in effect by leaving the land they relinquish all rights to the land. This means that only those who stayed and produced children can claim the right of return, the others should be absorbed into the nation they fled too.

 

[Phoenall]

There was never a legal entity of Palestine with established borders.

Israel has never had declared borders. .....

Try the negotiated borders with Jordan and Egypt, those are legally binding borders according to International law. They actually follow the 1948 partition plan as closely as possible until they reach the west bank and gaza

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

You are the one claiming that they came from somewhere else. Prove it.

Not that it matters. they were there when the country was defined in 1922. So they go back to the beginning.

Here you go Herman the truth about your precious Palestinians

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.

So no actual arab descendants

The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[32] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century

barely 100 years old

As was the Syrians, the Jordanians, the Lebanese...

Do you have a point?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I was anticipating that you would be unable to support your specific claim. And you were unable.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So if they did not live there at that one specific moment in time they cant claim nationality can they. So in effect by leaving the land they relinquish all rights to the land. This means that only those who stayed and produced children can claim the right of return, the others should be absorbed into the nation they fled too.

Residents who were out of the country at the time had a couple of years to go back and claim citizenship.

 

[Phoenall]

No.
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can impress us all if you acknowledge that you used keyboard shortcuts to copy and psste from wiki.

Otherwise, why did you bother?

I admit, I pssted from Wiki.

You can refute it if you want. Please include links.

Don't need to provide links as the law is very simple the Treaty of Lausanne
was superseded by the subsequent treaties and resolutions issued by the UN and League of Nations. Both of which declared Palestine to be nothing more than an ill defined area on the maps. At the same time the recognised the new state of trans Jordan on part of the area of Palestine and then Israel on another part of the area of Palestine.

Any problems then take them up with the UN General Assembly