Emergency medical treatment

[OohPooPahDoo]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"
Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Really? Who exactly says this.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"
Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Really? Who exactly says this.

I'm confused.

So Republicans think hospitals should be required to provide emergency medical treatment to people who have no health insurance -

but they are opposed to requiring those who can afford health insurance to buy it?

 

[bucs90]

Soggy, what would you suggest? Keep the ability for anyone to come to the ER, get treated, but then not pay for it? Or...get rid of that requirement???

Or...there is a 3rd option. Make sure everyone who comes to the ER has health insurance by req........wait a minute, I aint gonna go there.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Soggy, what would you suggest? Keep the ability for anyone to come to the ER, get treated, but then not pay for it? Or...get rid of that requirement???

Or...there is a 3rd option. Make sure everyone who comes to the ER has health insurance by req........wait a minute, I aint gonna go there.

Personal responsibility! Sounds like a great idea to Republicans - till it started coming out of a Democrat's mouth.

 

[Oddball]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

 

[konradv]

I'll start thinking the requirement to have insurance isn't necessary, when ambulances start leaving on the side of the road those who don't. In the mean time those who can afford insurance and don't get it, are as much freeloaders as the "welfare queens" the righties are always complaining about.

 

[del]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

try to stay on topic, gomer

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

Its implausible that someone could have their wallet stolen in a mugging?


wtf?

 

[konradv]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

What's "very affordable" about serious and complicated surgeries? Nobody except the Romney-class can afford that out-of-pocket. How many times do you have to get called on the same stupid shit?!?! Think we didn't see that lame explanation the last 100 times you posted it?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

What's "very affordable" about serious and complicated surgeries? Nobody except the Romney-class can afford that out-of-pocket. How many times do you have to get called on the same stupid shit?!?! Think we didn't see that lame explanation the last 100 times you posted it?

What's "very affordable" to even a Romney uber-rich who can't prove his identity and has no wallet?

 

[Oddball]

What's "very affordable" about serious and complicated surgeries? Nobody except the Romney-class can afford that out-of-pocket. How many times do you have to get called on the same stupid shit?!?! Think we didn't see that lame explanation the last 100 times you posted it?

Complicated surgeries are what insurance is for...But cheapskate socialist hacks like you expect someone else to pay for any and every contact you have with anyone in a lab coat.

That is the primary reason why insurance is so expensive.

Speaking of getting called out on the same old stupid shit.

 

[dblack]

... those who can afford insurance and don't get it, are as much freeloaders as the "welfare queens" the righties are always complaining about.

Nope. Not unless they actually rack up health care bills and don't pay them. That's the lie at the core of your insipid "argument". Not having insurance isn't the same as not paying your bills. You're claiming it is to justify feeding everyone to the insurance industry on a platter. Insurance isn't the only way to pay for health care.

 

[dblack]

Soggy, what would you suggest? Keep the ability for anyone to come to the ER, get treated, but then not pay for it? Or...get rid of that requirement???

Or...there is a 3rd option. Make sure everyone who comes to the ER has health insurance by req........wait a minute, I aint gonna go there.

Personal responsibility! Sounds like a great idea to Republicans - till it started coming out of a Democrat's mouth.

What you're describing is actually the opposite of personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is about making your own decisions and being accountable for the results. Laws like those you favor simply take away our right to decide for ourselves and mandate our decisions for us. There's no 'responsibility' in that equation - it's just a matter of following orders. That's what it is so often gloss over by "regulators". Telling people what to do absolves personal responsibility, making us wards of the state instead.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

How many Republicans say that, exactly?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"

Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

Its implausible that someone could have their wallet stolen in a mugging?


wtf?

I find it implausible that getting mugged means I can't remember the name of my insurer.

 

[nihallmarsh]

I am going to assume you are making this statement because the highway construction firm is providing a service directly to the government. Government orders highway, firm builds highway, government pays firm. This is not government aid.

Medicare/medicaid is a payment by the government to the hospital for services rendered to someone else. The government is paying for that persons healthcare, not the governments healthcare...which makes it government aid to that person.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

One of the main reasons we are required to buy health insurance now is because hospitals are required by law to stabilize a patient in need of imminent life saving care regardless of their ability to pay.

Many Republicans say "well just get rid of that requirement!"
Sounds like a wonderful idea. If you don't live in the real world.

Just last week I found out that health insurance that I paid for my son through my employer did not actually exist. It was a paperwork glitch and both my employer and insurer blame the other. Whatever. Point is, in the ideal Republican world, if my son had an accident or severe illness and needed life saving hospital care immediately - they would have been fine with him dying because a few grown ups messed up some paperwork - even though his father did the responsible thing and bought health insurance for him.


They discount the reality that in the heat of an emergency there are numerous Americans WITH health coverage that might not be able to immediately prove they have it. What about people who get mugged and have their wallet stolen and show up unconscious, the hospital doesn't know who they are? As far as they know - they are uninsured, so in ideal Republican land where hospitals are not required to stabilize patients in danger of losing their lives - its OK just to let them die.

I just think that's fucked. That's all. I was pretty nervous knowing my son's coverage would be denied until the paperwork glitch was fixed, but I was at least comforted by the fact that if he experienced a life threatening emergency, the hospital would be required to treat him even though the insurance company (who I paid money to) would refuse to pay it at first.

Really? Who exactly says this.

I'm confused.

So Republicans think hospitals should be required to provide emergency medical treatment to people who have no health insurance -

but they are opposed to requiring those who can afford health insurance to buy it?

That does seem to cover what we read from the rw's here.

oddball

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Actually, happens all the time. And, please note that the op has nothing at all to do with "urgent care". He was very specific that he was talking about "emergencies". Urgent care clinics are not qualified for true emergencies.

"affordable" is relative. THAT has been the whole point of the discussion of REPUBLICAN FAVORED SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE INSURANCE v ACA.

Many/most/some/all rw's who have posted here are against taking responsibility for their own health care insurance while many/most/some/all Ds/libs have posted in favor of it. By the same token, it has consistently been rw's who STILL have not bothered to learn about the ACA.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Wow....Bitchin' borderline implausible lifeboat ethics scenario, dude.

In the real world, the conscious can get very affordable on-demand medical care at fee-for-service urgent care clinics.

Nice try though.

Its implausible that someone could have their wallet stolen in a mugging?


wtf?

I find it implausible that getting mugged means I can't remember the name of my insurer.

If you're unconscious - which is not uncommon - it doesn't much matter what you can remember.

Or, as in the example from the OP, what about a child who is taken to the ER by other than a parent?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Its implausible that someone could have their wallet stolen in a mugging?


wtf?

I find it implausible that getting mugged means I can't remember the name of my insurer.

If you're unconscious - which is not uncommon - it doesn't much matter what you can remember.

Or, as in the example from the OP, what about a child who is taken to the ER by other than a parent?

If you are unconscious they wait for you to wake up, idiot.

As for a child, hospitals cannot treat children without parent's permission, even if they have insurance, so that is a stupid example/