Elephants Are Self-Aware.

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    Admin posted this article and I thought it was pretty interesting. My husband ued to work with Happy, Patty and Maxine (Tuss and Sami, too, but they're both gone now). And he always said that if you handed the elephants the keys to the enclosure, they'd figure out how to use them to open the locks.

    He also said that he didn't think elephants belonged in captivity because they were cognizant of their situaton and didn't like it one bit.... although he got along with them very well for the time he was at the Bronx Zoo.

    Anyhow... thought it was pretty cool.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061031/ap_on_sc/self_aware_elephant
     
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    Yes, very interesting. Saw a similar article in Science Daily. Elephants now join dolphins and primates as giving evidence of being self-aware. The "mirror" tests seem convincing. It certainly puts a new light on keeping such animals in captivity. Is it not unethical to hold a self-aware animal in confinement?
     
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    And then there are the ethics of killing these animals, either through negligence, as with dolphins caught in tuna nets, or malificence as with the willful destruction of chimpamzees and elephants as well as their habitat. These are fellow sentient beings...It is immoral to kill them.
     
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    I know in working with them, my husband always felt they didn't belong in captivity from a safety standpoint, as well. He said they didn't like their circumstances and, if they didn't respect a keeper, it would be very dangerous.

    As for the primates, he actually didn't have a problem with that. Their response to their environment was very different from the elephants. They didn't have the same resentment about it because their enclosures approximate their place in the wild and are safer for them. He felt the elephants had a different level of awareness. And, to be honest, he really didn't like the primates..... said they were nasty creatures who were among the few in nature who engaged in violence for "fun". On the other hand, he wasn't a primate keeper..... (although there was a male baboon who had a crush on him. heh!)
     
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    Congo's park rangers vs. Kony's elephant poachers...

    Armed groups target elephants in Congo park
    Nov 8,`15 -- The eight suspected poachers stood under a tree, apparently unaware they were being tracked by 10 rangers from Congo's Garamba National Park. But as the rangers approached, gunfire rang out from the tall grass nearby, where other heavily armed men were hidden. The dragnet swiftly turned into a desperate fight for survival.

     
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    They say elephants never forget, so if that's the case wouldn't it follow they'd recognize themselves in a mirror?
     
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    Elephants are my favorite critter other than dogs.
     
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    10 animals (so far) that have been identified as being self aware by the "mirror test".

    Humans, Orangutans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Bottlenose Dolphins, Elephants, Orcas, Bonobos, Rhesus, Macaques, European Magpies

    The Mirror Test

    Developed in the 1970s, the experimenter discreetly marks the animal with a colored dye, or puts a colored dot on their forehead. The animal is then presented with a mirror and their reaction is observed.
    If an animal is self-aware they'll turn and adjust their body to get a better view and touch the colored spot or try to remove it. This proves that the animal understands the reflection is its own.
     
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    A number of animals are documented as sentient or self-aware. Orcas are another.
     
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    high intellect animals. I thought the story about happy, patty and Maxine was particularly interesting because my husband always said he thought if you handed them the keys to their installation, they would figure out how to use them and let themselves out.

    great animals.
     

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