Electric Vehicle sales are sucking!!!

[skookerasbil]

This just in...........

EV sales are still sucking.

 

[Old Rocks]

Liar, Oregon imports coal produced electricity from Wyoming, every year that increase.

Dumb ass. Do a little research. That plant is due to cease burning coal very soon.

PGE to take bigger stake in Boardman coal plant strikes deal to keep buying hydropower from Tribes OregonLive.com

Portland General Electric plans to increase its ownership stake in the Boardman coal plant, which is slated for shutdown or a possible conversion to run on biomass in 2020. It also has reached a tentative 10-year deal to keep buying electricity from the Pelton Round Butte hydroelectric project on the Deschutes River from the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation.

The utility told regulators earlier this month that the Power Resources Cooperative, a group of electrical coops in the Northwest, had agreed to pay PGE an undisclosed sum to take over its 10 percent ownership stake in the coal plant and cover its share of the estimated $68 million in decommissioning costs. Under the terms of the deal, PGE would also take over the power purchase agreement that PRC has to sell that power to the Turlock Irrigation District, which runs until 2018.

Old Crock, thank you for pointing out how you have zero understanding, zero comprehension, zero brains.

I did state, WYOMING. Electricity produced from coal burning plants in Wyoming, we went through this in another thread, Old Crock.

We import electricity from Wyoming because a great deal of the electricity we produce goes to California. We actually produce enough in this state to supply our own needs, but California companies funded the building of the generotors, therefore, the electricity goes to them. And Wyoming may well cease to produce coal fired electricity as they have found a huge geothermal resource under Wyoming that not only would produce electricity but also lithium and other minerals.

May?

Geothermal is the most expensive electricity in the world, each source is unique physically, chemically. The Geysers in California went dry so they use fracking to produce steam. Places like Leathers, which Old Crock has tried to use in the past, is constantly drilling to find a new source of steam, constantly drilling as in the same as drilling for oil. The newest plant built near Leathers, that is the the South end of the Salton Sea in California, the newest plant failed to produce, even after test wells and all the engineering, funny its surrounded by 10 other geothermal plants.

Oregon produces enough energy for ourselves but we still import electricity to meet our needs, thanks Old Crock, you are your biggest opponent.

Dumb Ass, maybe you should quit opening your posts with an insult, read what you are responding to, and simply admit you do not know anything about energy. Hell, you do not even know your own industry.

The Future of Geothermal Energy

Introduction
Recent national focus on the value of increasing our supply of indigenous, renewable energy underscores the need for reevaluating all alternatives, particularly those that are large and well- distributed nationally. This analysis will help determine how we can enlarge and diversify the portfolio of options we should be vigorously pursuing. One such option that is often ignored is geothermal energy, produced from both conventional hydrothermal and Enhanced (or engineered) Geothermal Systems (EGS). An 18-member assessment panel was assembled in September 2005 to evaluate the technical and economic feasibility of EGS becoming a major supplier of primary energy for U.S. base-load generation capacity by 2050. This report documents the work of the panel at three separate levels of detail. The first is a Synopsis, which provides a brief overview of the scope, motivation, approach, major findings, and recommendations of the panel. At the second level, an Executive Summary reviews each component of the study, providing major results and findings. The third level provides full documentation in eight chapters, with each detailing the scope, approach, and results of the analysis and modeling conducted in each area.

Someday you could try learning a little about what you are posting about. Then you wouldn't look like such a total ignoramous.

 

[elektra]

Liar, Oregon imports coal produced electricity from Wyoming, every year that increase.

Dumb ass. Do a little research. That plant is due to cease burning coal very soon.

PGE to take bigger stake in Boardman coal plant strikes deal to keep buying hydropower from Tribes OregonLive.com

Portland General Electric plans to increase its ownership stake in the Boardman coal plant, which is slated for shutdown or a possible conversion to run on biomass in 2020. It also has reached a tentative 10-year deal to keep buying electricity from the Pelton Round Butte hydroelectric project on the Deschutes River from the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation.

The utility told regulators earlier this month that the Power Resources Cooperative, a group of electrical coops in the Northwest, had agreed to pay PGE an undisclosed sum to take over its 10 percent ownership stake in the coal plant and cover its share of the estimated $68 million in decommissioning costs. Under the terms of the deal, PGE would also take over the power purchase agreement that PRC has to sell that power to the Turlock Irrigation District, which runs until 2018.

Old Crock, thank you for pointing out how you have zero understanding, zero comprehension, zero brains.

I did state, WYOMING. Electricity produced from coal burning plants in Wyoming, we went through this in another thread, Old Crock.

We import electricity from Wyoming because a great deal of the electricity we produce goes to California. We actually produce enough in this state to supply our own needs, but California companies funded the building of the generotors, therefore, the electricity goes to them. And Wyoming may well cease to produce coal fired electricity as they have found a huge geothermal resource under Wyoming that not only would produce electricity but also lithium and other minerals.

May?

Geothermal is the most expensive electricity in the world, each source is unique physically, chemically. The Geysers in California went dry so they use fracking to produce steam. Places like Leathers, which Old Crock has tried to use in the past, is constantly drilling to find a new source of steam, constantly drilling as in the same as drilling for oil. The newest plant built near Leathers, that is the the South end of the Salton Sea in California, the newest plant failed to produce, even after test wells and all the engineering, funny its surrounded by 10 other geothermal plants.

Oregon produces enough energy for ourselves but we still import electricity to meet our needs, thanks Old Crock, you are your biggest opponent.

Dumb Ass, maybe you should quit opening your posts with an insult, read what you are responding to, and simply admit you do not know anything about energy. Hell, you do not even know your own industry.

The Future of Geothermal Energy

Introduction
Recent national focus on the value of increasing our supply of indigenous, renewable energy underscores the need for reevaluating all alternatives, particularly those that are large and well- distributed nationally. This analysis will help determine how we can enlarge and diversify the portfolio of options we should be vigorously pursuing. One such option that is often ignored is geothermal energy, produced from both conventional hydrothermal and Enhanced (or engineered) Geothermal Systems (EGS). An 18-member assessment panel was assembled in September 2005 to evaluate the technical and economic feasibility of EGS becoming a major supplier of primary energy for U.S. base-load generation capacity by 2050. This report documents the work of the panel at three separate levels of detail. The first is a Synopsis, which provides a brief overview of the scope, motivation, approach, major findings, and recommendations of the panel. At the second level, an Executive Summary reviews each component of the study, providing major results and findings. The third level provides full documentation in eight chapters, with each detailing the scope, approach, and results of the analysis and modeling conducted in each area.

Someday you could try learning a little about what you are posting about. Then you wouldn't look like such a total ignoramous.

So, a link to a study you did not read Old Crock.

We see you can cut and paste, an old study from 2005, how about quoting and making a comment that establishes something to discuss.

 

[skookerasbil]

Why No One Wants to Buy an Electric Car - Tesla Motors NASDAQ TSLA - 24 7 Wall St.

 

[elektra]

Liar, Oregon imports coal produced electricity from Wyoming, every year that increase.

Dumb ass. Do a little research. That plant is due to cease burning coal very soon.

PGE to take bigger stake in Boardman coal plant strikes deal to keep buying hydropower from Tribes OregonLive.com

Portland General Electric plans to increase its ownership stake in the Boardman coal plant, which is slated for shutdown or a possible conversion to run on biomass in 2020. It also has reached a tentative 10-year deal to keep buying electricity from the Pelton Round Butte hydroelectric project on the Deschutes River from the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation.

The utility told regulators earlier this month that the Power Resources Cooperative, a group of electrical coops in the Northwest, had agreed to pay PGE an undisclosed sum to take over its 10 percent ownership stake in the coal plant and cover its share of the estimated $68 million in decommissioning costs. Under the terms of the deal, PGE would also take over the power purchase agreement that PRC has to sell that power to the Turlock Irrigation District, which runs until 2018.

Old Crock, thank you for pointing out how you have zero understanding, zero comprehension, zero brains.

I did state, WYOMING. Electricity produced from coal burning plants in Wyoming, we went through this in another thread, Old Crock.[/QUOTE]

We import electricity from Wyoming because a great deal of the electricity we produce goes to California. We actually produce enough in this state to supply our own needs, but California companies funded the building of the generotors, therefore, the electricity goes to them. And Wyoming may well cease to produce coal fired electricity as they have found a huge geothermal resource under Wyoming that not only would produce electricity but also lithium and other minerals.[/QUOTE]
May?

Geothermal is the most expensive electricity in the world, each source is unique physically, chemically. The Geysers in California went dry so they use fracking to produce steam. Places like Leathers, which Old Crock has tried to use in the past, is constantly drilling to find a new source of steam, constantly drilling as in the same as drilling for oil. The newest plant built near Leathers, that is the the South end of the Salton Sea in California, the newest plant failed to produce, even after test wells and all the engineering, funny its surrounded by 10 other geothermal plants.

Oregon produces enough energy for ourselves but we still import electricity to meet our needs, thanks Old Crock, you are your biggest opponent.

Dumb Ass, maybe you should quit opening your posts with an insult, read what you are responding to, and simply admit you do not know anything about energy. Hell, you do not even know your own industry.[/QUOTE]

The Future of Geothermal Energy

Introduction
Recent national focus on the value of increasing our supply of indigenous, renewable energy underscores the need for reevaluating all alternatives, particularly those that are large and well- distributed nationally. This analysis will help determine how we can enlarge and diversify the portfolio of options we should be vigorously pursuing. One such option that is often ignored is geothermal energy, produced from both conventional hydrothermal and Enhanced (or engineered) Geothermal Systems (EGS). An 18-member assessment panel was assembled in September 2005 to evaluate the technical and economic feasibility of EGS becoming a major supplier of primary energy for U.S. base-load generation capacity by 2050. This report documents the work of the panel at three separate levels of detail. The first is a Synopsis, which provides a brief overview of the scope, motivation, approach, major findings, and recommendations of the panel. At the second level, an Executive Summary reviews each component of the study, providing major results and findings. The third level provides full documentation in eight chapters, with each detailing the scope, approach, and results of the analysis and modeling conducted in each area.

Someday you could try learning a little about what you are posting about. Then you wouldn't look like such a total ignoramous.[/QUOTE]

Geothermal is nothing more than a long list of failures, as you personally know, Old Crock. Too bad the Obama dictatorship gave away tax money to Geothermal based on this MIT "study", a study requested the government and paid for by you and me, just like we will pay for all the failed Geothermal experiments.

This is just the beginning, there is a long list of failures concerning geothermal, which is the riskiest of all Green Energy dreams, every source is different, every geothermal field is unique, and even within a geothermal field, there are extreme differences that do not guarantee energy.

Failed energy projects cross party lines USATODAY.com

Still, Hatch, who has criticized President Obama's support of federal loans to solar panel maker Solyndra, now in bankruptcy court, gushed about the bright future of geothermal energy in the United States and boasted that a new era was being led by one of Utah's own.

"Raser Tech is a company that has consistently pushed the envelope to develop, and bring to market, some of our nation's most advanced concepts in clean energy, and I congratulate this Utah business for being first out of the gate to use the latest technology to convert the Earth's natural heat into the world's cleanest energy," Hatch said.

In April, the company that Hatch touted as on the cutting edge filed for Chapter 11bankruptcy protection — never coming close to producing the 10 megawatts that were projected at the Hatch Plant.

North Brawley Geothermal Area Open Energy Information

The new North Brawley Power Plant has faced several challenges which have prevented full power production since it began operation. The plant is designed for a capacity of 50 MW; however, since it began operation in 2008 it has only produced between 20 and 33 MW.[6] The reasons for lower production are un-dissolved sand in geothermal fluids,[16] injection field circulation pathways being inhibited, problems with filtration and cleanout of injection wells, and failures of production pumps in the early operation.[7] These problems have caused a net loss of revenue for Ormat due to lower energy production and unexpected costs related to problems with the injection well filtration and separation systems, drilling and modifying injection wells, adding injection pumps, adding new production wells, and building the pipelines for new wells. When the plant was placed into service the well field had a capacity of 35 MW; however, production was less because some wells were forced to be left idle until improved pumps could be installed.[7]

Ormat decided in January 2013 to stop pouring money into investments for raising the power output and to instead settle with the current output of approximately 27 MW.[6] As a result of this decision, Ormat expects to record a non-cash pre-tax charge for impairment. The impairment charge is estimated to be up to $230 million; however Ormat believes the impairment charge will not cause them to default on their other financial obligations, nor will it negatively affect future operations.[6]

Bankruptcies of Federally Backed Green Energy Companies Continue

And the problem with these massive federal loans supporting failed operations is not limited to solar projects. Nevada Geothermal Power, which has received $98.5 million in federal loan guarantees, is running into serious difficulties paying its bills after having operated at a loss for several years.

In a report issued for the period ending March 31, 2012, the firm's auditors stated:

The company’s ability to continue as a going concern is dependent on its available cash and its ability to continue to raise funds to support corporate operations and the development of other properties, consequently, material uncertainties exist which cast significant doubt upon the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.

Nevada Geothermal was already in deep financial difficulties before the federal loan guarantee. Congressman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) took the administration to task for its actions, declaring,

The company was in danger of defaulting on its financial obligation, and the [Department of Energy] assistance served as a de facto bailout. After receiving a taxpayer-backed $98.5 million loan guarantee, the company is still struggling

 

[flacaltenn]

Liar, Oregon imports coal produced electricity from Wyoming, every year that increase.

Dumb ass. Do a little research. That plant is due to cease burning coal very soon.

PGE to take bigger stake in Boardman coal plant strikes deal to keep buying hydropower from Tribes OregonLive.com

Portland General Electric plans to increase its ownership stake in the Boardman coal plant, which is slated for shutdown or a possible conversion to run on biomass in 2020. It also has reached a tentative 10-year deal to keep buying electricity from the Pelton Round Butte hydroelectric project on the Deschutes River from the Confederated Tribes of the Warm Springs Reservation.

The utility told regulators earlier this month that the Power Resources Cooperative, a group of electrical coops in the Northwest, had agreed to pay PGE an undisclosed sum to take over its 10 percent ownership stake in the coal plant and cover its share of the estimated $68 million in decommissioning costs. Under the terms of the deal, PGE would also take over the power purchase agreement that PRC has to sell that power to the Turlock Irrigation District, which runs until 2018.

Old Crock, thank you for pointing out how you have zero understanding, zero comprehension, zero brains.

I did state, WYOMING. Electricity produced from coal burning plants in Wyoming, we went through this in another thread, Old Crock.

We import electricity from Wyoming because a great deal of the electricity we produce goes to California. We actually produce enough in this state to supply our own needs, but California companies funded the building of the generotors, therefore, the electricity goes to them. And Wyoming may well cease to produce coal fired electricity as they have found a huge geothermal resource under Wyoming that not only would produce electricity but also lithium and other minerals.

May?

Geothermal is the most expensive electricity in the world, each source is unique physically, chemically. The Geysers in California went dry so they use fracking to produce steam. Places like Leathers, which Old Crock has tried to use in the past, is constantly drilling to find a new source of steam, constantly drilling as in the same as drilling for oil. The newest plant built near Leathers, that is the the South end of the Salton Sea in California, the newest plant failed to produce, even after test wells and all the engineering, funny its surrounded by 10 other geothermal plants.

Oregon produces enough energy for ourselves but we still import electricity to meet our needs, thanks Old Crock, you are your biggest opponent.

Dumb Ass, maybe you should quit opening your posts with an insult, read what you are responding to, and simply admit you do not know anything about energy. Hell, you do not even know your own industry.

The Future of Geothermal Energy

Introduction
Recent national focus on the value of increasing our supply of indigenous, renewable energy underscores the need for reevaluating all alternatives, particularly those that are large and well- distributed nationally. This analysis will help determine how we can enlarge and diversify the portfolio of options we should be vigorously pursuing. One such option that is often ignored is geothermal energy, produced from both conventional hydrothermal and Enhanced (or engineered) Geothermal Systems (EGS). An 18-member assessment panel was assembled in September 2005 to evaluate the technical and economic feasibility of EGS becoming a major supplier of primary energy for U.S. base-load generation capacity by 2050. This report documents the work of the panel at three separate levels of detail. The first is a Synopsis, which provides a brief overview of the scope, motivation, approach, major findings, and recommendations of the panel. At the second level, an Executive Summary reviews each component of the study, providing major results and findings. The third level provides full documentation in eight chapters, with each detailing the scope, approach, and results of the analysis and modeling conducted in each area.

Someday you could try learning a little about what you are posting about. Then you wouldn't look like such a total ignoramous.

So what? I'm CERTAIN they will tell you that that Geothermal Power is a DIRTY MINING OPERATION and not truly renewable.. So what do I not know that's in there??

 

[skookerasbil]

Electric vehicles are a fringe mode of transportation and will be for a long, long time.

And coal is going to dominate the energy landscape for decades. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt have their feet planted firmly on the ground. A 10 year old could figure out why.

 

[skookerasbil]

This just in........still sucking.

 

[jc456]

News just in..........still sucking.

 

[Old Rocks]

Nice growth curve there

 

[Old Rocks]

And that was last year.

 

[Old Rocks]

If Musk battery factory comes on line with a less expensive battery with significantly higher storage, that curve will rapidly steepen past 2017

 

[HenryBHough]

"if"

 

[skookerasbil]

Presentation of statistics, via graphs, can always be made to look very impressive.

Until they are compared to something else!!!

 

[SSDD]

Presentation of statistics, via graphs, can always be made to look very impressive.

Until they are compared to something else!!!

Something else like the truth...or the larger picture?

 

[skookerasbil]

Presentation of statistics, via graphs, can always be made to look very impressive.

Until they are compared to something else!!!

Something else like the truth...or the larger picture?

Exactly.......the AGW people post stuff up hoping the reader sees the rigged statistics and hoping a comparative graph is not posted up because then it becomes laughable. Im too tired to bother right now dude but this thread has some graphs that display it brilliantly!!! A good analogy would be like seeing Lebron James playing an infant in one-on-one basketball.

 

[JimH52]

Fracking has changed this country. We may be the number one oil producer soon. Yes, oil and gas prices continue to fall, but the long term affects of cracking open subterranean earth to pull out natural gas and oil are not entirely known. At best, the new found method of extracting more energy resources from the ground delays the inevitable point that combustible engines disappear. Please consider the following site:

Dangers of Fracking

 

[skookerasbil]

Fracking has changed this country. We may be the number one oil producer soon. Yes, oil and gas prices continue to fall, but the long term affects of cracking open subterranean earth to pull out natural gas and oil are not entirely known. At best, the new found method of extracting more energy resources from the ground delays the inevitable point that combustible engines disappear. Please consider the following site:

Dangers of Fracking

meh......I can post up about 4 billion links calling bs on your link s0n.

But it doesnt matter........natural gas is BOOMING. Kinda funny but dang.....you cant drive around Long Island here anymore without running into construction on secondary roads where they are laying gas mains. The fuckers tear up the damn middle of the road for a mile or two......about 15 inches wide. On one hand, Im happy as hell to see it but its making travel impossible.

 

[skookerasbil]

still sucking s0ns..........


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[skookerasbil]

Dang JC.......are we not the most ruthless mofu's on the whole board?

These mental cases........we cause their heads to explode daily on here. Think Kiera Knightly.......in terms of the equivalent of an AGW nut......... walking out on stage next to Kim Kardasian in a best boobs contest.



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