Effects on children seeing their parents nude, having sex, et al.

[Alex.]

"Seventy-seven males and 133 females were recruited from undergraduate psychology classes to serve as. subjects. In exchange for their participation, subjects received extra credit in their classes."

The students were given something of value for answering questions this is not the best way to get a solid foundation for quality research.

Besides, there is something warped and very disturbing about this thread.

 

[shart_attack]

What a very utterly creepy thread.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"Seventy-seven males and 133 females were recruited from undergraduate psychology classes to serve as. subjects. In exchange for their participation, subjects received extra credit in their classes."

The students were given something of value for answering questions this is not the best way to get a solid foundation for quality research.

Besides, there is something warped and very disturbing about this thread.

That's actually a good point. I'm not sure about the ethicacy of compensating research subjects.

Reason you and others think it's disturbing or creepy is precisely why I post them.

Many of our societal problems stem from how as a culture we've flipped what upsets us. Violence is tolerated and a big draw for entertainment be it movies, videogames, some sports. Yet the very nicest thing people do together (sex et al.) is reviled and demonized. There's peer-reviewed science proving societies and cultures that repress sexuality and pleasure are correspondingly more violent (Prescott et al.) Given our markedly violent society my hypothesis is we're once more repressing sexual pleasure while glorifying violence.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind overnight, it's a process. But if popularizing research into this gets people thinking about it I'm good.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Lemme see if I can summarize my thinking in a paragraph.

As a behavioural scientist with an interest in criminal justice I spend a great deal of time wondering why people do some of the things they do. Like act violently breaking laws governing that. In my studies I've found research proving that when our minds are occupied with pleasure, they're literally shut down to feelings of aggression and violence, and vice-versa. So when people act out violently it's because they're not able to feel pleasure. But why would any sane person choose that if pleasure is positive, and violence is negative? If they've been conditioned from childhood to suppress and repress their sexuality, as adults their propensity for violence will be greater than those that weren't so conditioned. Our society unfortunately is proof-of-concept. We teach abstinance-only sex "education," insist sex waits for marriage, stigmatize alternative sexuality (masturbation, homosexuality, etc.,) overvalue monogamy and virginity. All with disastrous results - a society of fear. No one wants to touch even in perfectly innocuous non-sexual ways for fear it'll be misinterpreted as sexual. The result is also predictable, with opportunities for pleasure eliminated, opportunities to display aggression are increased. And thus criminality.

...Ok a rather long paragraph. I'm of the camp that believes rather than crime mitigation (more prisons, more police, etc.) the solution lies in crime prevention (more education which reduces criminality, more acceptance of pleasure and sexuality.) To that end, rather than write books no one but academics are gonna buy, I post stuff online. It's the medium with the greatest chance of reaching the most people.

 

[DGS49]

(1) All young males are inclined to engage in casual sex all the time. It's the way we are wired. Young females who are inclined to engage in casual sex need counseling. Send me some phone numbers, and I will do my best to straighten them out.

(2) No valid conclusions can be drawn from a survey of people who volunteer to be queried - much less given some inducement ("extra credit"). That is taught about 8 minutes into any introductory statistics class. This is the opposite of a "random sampling."

(3) There is nothing pleasant about nudity per se. Most "average" people look grotesque without any clothes on, and that goes double for people who are old enough to have school-age children. I cannot imagine many things more repulsive than to have seen my parents nude or - worse - engaging in sexual acts. I might never have recovered.

(4) People who expose their children to casual nudity (i.e., libertines) are, to use the technical term, "fucked up." I have no doubt that this parenting strategy would land them in jail and their children in foster care in many communities. Maybe in Europe they feel differently, but they are wrong.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

re 2) (ignoring 1 because it was silly) that's a maybe, but the conclusions did appear in a peer-reviewed journal so obviously someone agreed with its' validity.

3) When nudism caught on in the US a lot of study was conducted about it both from a physical health perspective, as well as psychological. There are numerous benefits to social nudity. I wasa ctually looking for them when I found the article about the other stuff. Used it first but the 'general nudity' one is coming. Ferguson thing has me sidetracked for the time-being.

4)Nothing criminal about nudity. Most laws governing it in the US state that as long as it's not in a 'lewd or lascivious manner' simply being nude is not criminal.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Some articles on effects of nudism and nudist lifestyles.

- Google Scholar

Was looking for an old book I've heard about "The Naked Child:Growing Up Without Shame" which is the psychological studies of nudism and its' effects I referenced above. The link is papers which reference it, best I can do in just a few minutes

 

[shart_attack]

Lemme see if I can summarize my thinking in a paragraph.

As a behavioural scientist with an interest in criminal justice I spend a great deal of time wondering why people do some of the things they do.

The devil has a great deal of time on his hands to spend thinking about how to break into heaven.

And I don't believe you are a behavioral scientist. At all.

Like act violently breaking laws governing that. In my studies I've found research proving that when our minds are occupied with pleasure, they're literally shut down to feelings of aggression and violence, and vice-versa. So when people act out violently it's because they're not able to feel pleasure. But why would any sane person choose that if pleasure is positive, and violence is negative?

And why would any sane person openly advocate online the showing of pornography to children?

If they've been conditioned from childhood to suppress and repress their sexuality, as adults their propensity for violence will be greater than those that weren't so conditioned.

Not necessarily.

Learn the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions.

Our society unfortunately is proof-of-concept. We teach abstinance-only sex "education," insist sex waits for marriage, stigmatize alternative sexuality (masturbation, homosexuality, etc.,) overvalue monogamy and virginity. All with disastrous results - a society of fear. No one wants to touch even in perfectly innocuous non-sexual ways for fear it'll be misinterpreted as sexual. The result is also predictable, with opportunities for pleasure eliminated, opportunities to display aggression are increased. And thus criminality.

...Ok a rather long paragraph. I'm of the camp that believes rather than crime mitigation (more prisons, more police, etc.) the solution lies in crime prevention (more education which reduces criminality, more acceptance of pleasure and sexuality.) To that end, rather than write books no one but academics are gonna buy, I post stuff online. It's the medium with the greatest chance of reaching the most people.

Creepy.

 

[Pennywise]

What a very utterly creepy thread.

IMO, Delta is a very sick person, who uses threads like this to try to find support for his perversions. By his logic, any person not interested in every fetish imaginable is repressed. We all should have had the joy of watching our parents rut and grunt, while whacking our tinklers with a Hustler mag in the other hand.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If I came in with a peer reviewed article from the Association of Nincompoops who believe in UFOs would that somehow make the claim that UFOs cause cancer true?

Very good, and for the same reasoning we ignore the Bartons and the Mises.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Delta Embassy, you are creepy.

 

[shart_attack]

What a very utterly creepy thread.

IMO, Delta is a very sick person, who uses threads like this to try to find support for his perversions. By his logic, any person not interested in every fetish imaginable is repressed. We all should have had the joy of watching our parents rut and grunt, while whacking our tinklers with a Hustler mag in the other hand.

Indeed.

In a strange way, he kinda makes me feel good about myself, though.

I've done a few blue-collar crimes — all over seven years ago, in accordance with the Statutes of Limitations.

I've sold things I wasn't supposed to sell.

I've stolen things.

I've driven intoxicated.

I've gotten into fights.

And for whatever the reason(s), I've never been charged for them.

Delta4Embassy is his own special sort of contemporary Zacchaeus.

It's nice to know that there is someone out there who is worse—in Delta's particular case, much worse—than me.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Rather than responding to every immature reply I'll simply say this. If you can't read these posts like a mature adult, don't. Responding to some of you is akin to argueing with a houseplant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

DeltaEmbassy, listen up: you are a creep. Cross the line, and find out how creepy all of us think you are. That you are cracked in your head is your problem. Tell it to Baby Boy Burke.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

DeltaEmbassy, listen up: you are a creep. Cross the line, and find out how creepy all of us think you are. That you are cracked in your head is your problem. Tell it to Baby Boy Burke.

The poeple who think I'm creepy are the ones I post this stuff for. You're the problem projecting your own insecurities onto society as a whole. Science is on my side, the law is on my side, only people on your side are religious and their arguments religious in nature. Might make you a hit at church on Sundays, but the rest of the week you'll be proven wrong for your assertions by everyone else.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Article: Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence
"Body Pleasure and the Origns of Violence" by Dr. Prescott PhD. et al.

Search/Find down to "Religious Roots" and start reading.

 

[dilloduck]

Article: Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence
"Body Pleasure and the Origns of Violence" by Dr. Prescott PhD. et al.

Search/Find down to "Religious Roots" and start reading.

Looks like we're already doomed
The world, however, has limited time to correct the conditions that propel us to violent confrontations. Modern technologies of warfare have made it possible for an individual or nation to bring total destruction to large segments of our population. And the greatest threat comes from those nations which have the most depriving environments for their children and which are most repressive of sexual affection and female sexuality. We will have the most to fear when these nations acquire the weapons of modern warfare. Tragically, this has already begun.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Looks like we're already doomed
The world, however, has limited time to correct the conditions that propel us to violent confrontations. Modern technologies of warfare have made it possible for an individual or nation to bring total destruction to large segments of our population. And the greatest threat comes from those nations which have the most depriving environments for their children and which are most repressive of sexual affection and female sexuality. We will have the most to fear when these nations acquire the weapons of modern warfare. Tragically, this has already begun.

Gee way to spoil the ending. Now no one's gonna wanna bother mowing their lawns.

 

[Alex.]

"Seventy-seven males and 133 females were recruited from undergraduate psychology classes to serve as. subjects. In exchange for their participation, subjects received extra credit in their classes."

The students were given something of value for answering questions this is not the best way to get a solid foundation for quality research.

Besides, there is something warped and very disturbing about this thread.

That's actually a good point. I'm not sure about the ethicacy of compensating research subjects.

Reason you and others think it's disturbing or creepy is precisely why I post them.

Many of our societal problems stem from how as a culture we've flipped what upsets us. Violence is tolerated and a big draw for entertainment be it movies, videogames, some sports. Yet the very nicest thing people do together (sex et al.) is reviled and demonized. There's peer-reviewed science proving societies and cultures that repress sexuality and pleasure are correspondingly more violent (Prescott et al.) Given our markedly violent society my hypothesis is we're once more repressing sexual pleasure while glorifying violence.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind overnight, it's a process. But if popularizing research into this gets people thinking about it I'm good.

"Seventy-seven males and 133 females were recruited from undergraduate psychology classes to serve as. subjects. In exchange for their participation, subjects received extra credit in their classes."

The students were given something of value for answering questions this is not the best way to get a solid foundation for quality research.

Besides, there is something warped and very disturbing about this thread.

That's actually a good point. I'm not sure about the ethicacy of compensating research subjects.

Reason you and others think it's disturbing or creepy is precisely why I post them.

Many of our societal problems stem from how as a culture we've flipped what upsets us. Violence is tolerated and a big draw for entertainment be it movies, videogames, some sports. Yet the very nicest thing people do together (sex et al.) is reviled and demonized. There's peer-reviewed science proving societies and cultures that repress sexuality and pleasure are correspondingly more violent (Prescott et al.) Given our markedly violent society my hypothesis is we're once more repressing sexual pleasure while glorifying violence.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind overnight, it's a process. But if popularizing research into this gets people thinking about it I'm good.

I like my culture just the way it is. You will not convince me otherwise. Creepy is creepy and this is creepy.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Ok I gotta ask, is 'creepy' the new 'literally?'