eavesdropping on obamacare

[syrenn]

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....


The roommate has cancer. It was very obvious that he had had this problem for a long time. He and his visitor were discussing his new covered California insurance (obamacare)... and what his portion of payment for one drug that was prescribed him was going to cost him.

He was PISSED... kept saying to his visitor.... this CANT be right... it just cant be! I paid almost nothing for the drugs before I got the new insurance!!!! I thought this whole thing (obamacare) was to bring the costs down!!!!!!

He calls someone..... asking about the price of this drug, who ordered the drug, he never paid so much for it before..... and were they sure HIS portion of the cost of the drug was going to be......

Nine... Thousand...Dollars???!!!???


My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

 

[Bombur]

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....


The roommate has cancer. It was very obvious that he had had this problem for a long time. He and his visitor were discussing his new covered California insurance (obamacare)... and what his portion of payment for one drug that was prescribed him was going to cost him.

He was PISSED... kept saying to his visitor.... this CANT be right... it just cant be! I paid almost nothing for the drugs before I got the new insurance!!!! I thought this whole thing (obamacare) was to bring the costs down!!!!!!

He calls someone..... asking about the price of this drug, who ordered the drug, he never paid so much for it before..... and were they sure HIS portion of the cost of the drug was going to be......

Nine... Thousand...Dollars???!!!???


My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

It is impossible to know what happened when you don't know what insurance he had before and what he has now. Switching insurance when you are sick is dangerous because it is hard for most people to know what is or isn't covered.

Market economics rely on the purchaser having good information. Sounds like this person didn't even know enough about the plan they were purchasing to know how or if it covered the treatment they knew they were going to need.

 

[Amelia]

Sounds like the person was forced to change his insurance because of the ACA.

Now drugs and specialists which used to be covered by reasonable deductibles are going to send people into bankruptcy or make them just choose to forego care.

I also have a friend who has just been blasted in the face by this harsh new reality.

 

[syrenn]

Sounds like the person was forced to change his insurance because of the ACA.

Now drugs and specialists which used to be covered by reasonable deductibles are going to send people into bankruptcy or make them just choose to forego care.

I also have a friend who has just been blasted in the face by this harsh new reality.

So much for "affordable"...is all i could think of while this guy was talking. I felt really bad for him.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Get ready for a parade of "your lying" post.
I also posted a comment a few months back where I couldn't help but overhear a woman crying and saying goodbye to the nursing staff at a physical therapy office.
Similar situation, her cost went through the roof so she could no longer afford to go to the doctor.

 

[bluesman]

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....


The roommate has cancer. It was very obvious that he had had this problem for a long time. He and his visitor were discussing his new covered California insurance (obamacare)... and what his portion of payment for one drug that was prescribed him was going to cost him.

He was PISSED... kept saying to his visitor.... this CANT be right... it just cant be! I paid almost nothing for the drugs before I got the new insurance!!!! I thought this whole thing (obamacare) was to bring the costs down!!!!!!

He calls someone..... asking about the price of this drug, who ordered the drug, he never paid so much for it before..... and were they sure HIS portion of the cost of the drug was going to be......

Nine... Thousand...Dollars???!!!???


My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

 

[Amelia]

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....


The roommate has cancer. It was very obvious that he had had this problem for a long time. He and his visitor were discussing his new covered California insurance (obamacare)... and what his portion of payment for one drug that was prescribed him was going to cost him.

He was PISSED... kept saying to his visitor.... this CANT be right... it just cant be! I paid almost nothing for the drugs before I got the new insurance!!!! I thought this whole thing (obamacare) was to bring the costs down!!!!!!

He calls someone..... asking about the price of this drug, who ordered the drug, he never paid so much for it before..... and were they sure HIS portion of the cost of the drug was going to be......

Nine... Thousand...Dollars???!!!???


My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

She was sitting with her friend in the hospital. She's supposed to request documentation and scan it for the forum?

 

[Bombur]

Get ready for a parade of "your lying" post.
I also posted a comment a few months back where I couldn't help but overhear a woman crying and saying goodbye to the nursing staff at a physical therapy office.
Similar situation, her cost went through the roof so she could no longer afford to go to the doctor.

A lot of cheap plans don't cover PT or OT.

I think a lot of people will come to realize that the standards set forth in the law are too low and the costs are too high for what they are getting. Maybe the market will be able to react to the needs of the people and maybe not.

Personally I don't see any real reason to continue to support private health insurance.

 

[MeBelle]

Get ready for a parade of "your lying" post.
I also posted a comment a few months back where I couldn't help but overhear a woman crying and saying goodbye to the nursing staff at a physical therapy office.
Similar situation, her cost went through the roof so she could no longer afford to go to the doctor.

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....



My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

That was quick! [MENTION=24610]iamwhatiseem[/MENTION]

Do you have a crystal ball I can borrow?

 

[R.D.]

Get ready for a parade of "your lying" post.
I also posted a comment a few months back where I couldn't help but overhear a woman crying and saying goodbye to the nursing staff at a physical therapy office.
Similar situation, her cost went through the roof so she could no longer afford to go to the doctor.

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....



My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

That was quick! [MENTION=24610]iamwhatiseem[/MENTION]

Do you have a crystal ball I can borrow?

It took less than one minute

 

[bluesman]

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....


The roommate has cancer. It was very obvious that he had had this problem for a long time. He and his visitor were discussing his new covered California insurance (obamacare)... and what his portion of payment for one drug that was prescribed him was going to cost him.

He was PISSED... kept saying to his visitor.... this CANT be right... it just cant be! I paid almost nothing for the drugs before I got the new insurance!!!! I thought this whole thing (obamacare) was to bring the costs down!!!!!!

He calls someone..... asking about the price of this drug, who ordered the drug, he never paid so much for it before..... and were they sure HIS portion of the cost of the drug was going to be......

Nine... Thousand...Dollars???!!!???


My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

She was sitting with her friend in the hospital. She's supposed to request documentation and scan it for the forum?

No. Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare. There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama. Same thing with Benghazi. They don't give a damn about the four dead Americans, they just want to capitalize on the situation as a way to attack Obama. Since this is a discussion forum, I think it is fair to ask for more than something that someone "heard". Links and sources are much more credible.

 

[Amelia]

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

She was sitting with her friend in the hospital. She's supposed to request documentation and scan it for the forum?

No. Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare. There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama. Same thing with Benghazi. They don't give a damn about the four dead Americans, they just want to capitalize on the situation as a way to attack Obama. Since this is a discussion forum, I think it is fair to ask for more than something that someone "heard". Links and sources are much more credible.

And when we post links we're asked if anyone we or anyone we actually know has suffered or if we're merely getting outraged by manufactured stories that aren't actually about real people.

You believe what you want.

We know what people around us are experiencing.

Which is going to matter most when the day of reckoning comes?

 

[MeBelle]

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

She was sitting with her friend in the hospital. She's supposed to request documentation and scan it for the forum?

Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare.

I love these types of posts!

There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama.

Haven't been to the ER lately have you? Although the OP states the semi private room was divided and out side the ER 'Rooms' divided by curtains.
Last time I had to frequent one, I eavesdropped on my neighbour, who was actually my neighbour!! Both of our families still get a chuckle out of that one!!

Here's another for you:
I had to bring my youngest (at the age of two) to the ER.
We got to 'eavesdrop' the attempts to revive a self inflicted GS victim.

Flat line.


Now, prove me wrong instead attempting to back peddle.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Get ready for a parade of "your lying" post.
I also posted a comment a few months back where I couldn't help but overhear a woman crying and saying goodbye to the nursing staff at a physical therapy office.
Similar situation, her cost went through the roof so she could no longer afford to go to the doctor.

Sitting in the hospital yesterday i was party to an interesting conversation.....

My friend was put into a semi private room for his test out of the ER...... they usually put people with the same kind of issues in the same room for hospital convenience. I was there most of the day....and it is impossible NOT hear what his roommate and visitors are talking about.....



My friend and i just looked at each other in amazement.... welcome to obamacare.

So instead of coming up with something that can be objectively reviewed, you are interjecting something you "overheard". This is a typical Obama-hater tactic.

That was quick! [MENTION=24610]iamwhatiseem[/MENTION]

Do you have a crystal ball I can borrow?

Been here before, like I say - I made a similar post and a host of "your lying" posts came right after.
This women was one of the folks that lost her insurance, but could not afford Obamacare with it's 7000 deductible and 40% copay - so she now has no insurance and can't afford to go to the doctor.
There are millions of these stories. But of course there are those that refuse to believe them.

 

[R.D.]

No. Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare. There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama. Same thing with Benghazi. They don't give a damn about the four dead Americans, they just want to capitalize on the situation as a way to attack Obama. Since this is a discussion forum, I think it is fair to ask for more than something that someone "heard". Links and sources are much more credible.

Got links for those opinions, sparky?

 

[william the wie]

I am upping my estimate of the GOP break even point this fall to D + 5 from D + 2. Thank you bluesman for providing the data I needed for that revision.

 

[bluesman]

She was sitting with her friend in the hospital. She's supposed to request documentation and scan it for the forum?

Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare.

I love these types of posts!

There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama.

Haven't been to the ER lately have you? Although the OP states the semi private room was divided and out side the ER
'Rooms' divided by curtains.
Last time I had to frequent one, I eavesdropped on my neighbour. Both of our families still get a chuckle out of that one!!

Here's another for you:
I had to bring my youngest (at the age of two) to the ER.
We got to 'eavesdrop' the attempts to revive a self inflicted GS victim.

Flat line.


Now, prove me wrong instead attempting to back peddle.

Well, let's see. One way to preserve a little dignity for a cancer patient is not go and post about what you overheard them say while they were receiving treatment. There is a reason that the don't have live cams in the ER. Sometimes we just have to be decent to each other because it is the right thing to do. It seems like you want to defend the Obama-hate topic instead of actually caring about the person who's supposed conversation was listened in upon and then broadcast on the internet. How is it that the people who hate Obamacare so much all of the sudden care about uninsured Americans. I thought that was the general republican idea; let them eat worms. If the right wingers really cared about the people they are using as examples, then they would want them to have insurance. If this was a story with proper links and sources, then we could look at the facts. One specific question would be "How much is the total yearly deductible for this patient?" If it is less than the amount mentioned in the Op, then it would prove that the Op does not hold up. Again it is all hearsay so it doesn't allow for objectivity. I know that objectivity is not required for ideologues but I am speaking to the people here that are capable of independent thought.

 

[MeBelle]

Besides the fact that she shouldn't be eavesdropping on people going through cancer treatment which is beyond disrespectful, it isn't really valid to use unsubstantiated hearsay as an argument against Obamacare.

I love these types of posts!

There is no way to objectively review the facts. It works well for subjective Obama-hate but not so much for those of us who prefer keeping it real. If a person hates Obama, that is their right. My opinion is that most people who hate Obamacare really just hate Obama.

Haven't been to the ER lately have you? Although the OP states the semi private room was divided and out side the ER
'Rooms' divided by curtains.
Last time I had to frequent one, I eavesdropped on my neighbour. Both of our families still get a chuckle out of that one!!

Here's another for you:
I had to bring my youngest (at the age of two) to the ER.
We got to 'eavesdrop' the attempts to revive a self inflicted GS victim.

Flat line.


Now, prove me wrong instead attempting to back peddle.

Well, let's see. One way to preserve a little dignity for a cancer patient is not go and post about what you overheard them say while they were receiving treatment. There is a reason that the don't have live cams in the ER. Sometimes we just have to be decent to each other because it is the right thing to do. It seems like you want to defend the Obama-hate topic instead of actually caring about the person who's supposed conversation was listened in upon and then broadcast on the internet. How is it that the people who hate Obamacare so much all of the sudden care about uninsured Americans. I thought that was the general republican idea; let them eat worms. If the right wingers really cared about the people they are using as examples, then they would want them to have insurance. If this was a story with proper links and sources, then we could look at the facts. One specific question would be "How much is the total yearly deductible for this patient?" If it is less than the amount mentioned in the Op, then it would prove that the Op does not hold up. Again it is all hearsay so it doesn't allow for objectivity. I know that objectivity is not required for ideologues but I am speaking to the people here that are capable of independent thought.

It's a personal story. Names were changed to protect the innocent.

The OP wasn't speaking to deductibles. The OP was speaking to the COST of medication, period.

Dude, you're all over the map with your post.

Now keep linking to what you 'think' and ass-ume.

Keep

 

[Zander]

It can't be true. The Majority leader of the Senate warned me of these things...they are all KOCH brothers lies!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zUhgnTWn_o]Harry Reid Denies All Obamacare 'Horror Stories'; 'All Are Untrue' - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bluesman]

I love these types of posts!



Haven't been to the ER lately have you? Although the OP states the semi private room was divided and out side the ER
'Rooms' divided by curtains.
Last time I had to frequent one, I eavesdropped on my neighbour. Both of our families still get a chuckle out of that one!!

Here's another for you:
I had to bring my youngest (at the age of two) to the ER.
We got to 'eavesdrop' the attempts to revive a self inflicted GS victim.

Flat line.


Now, prove me wrong instead attempting to back peddle.

Well, let's see. One way to preserve a little dignity for a cancer patient is not go and post about what you overheard them say while they were receiving treatment. There is a reason that the don't have live cams in the ER. Sometimes we just have to be decent to each other because it is the right thing to do. It seems like you want to defend the Obama-hate topic instead of actually caring about the person who's supposed conversation was listened in upon and then broadcast on the internet. How is it that the people who hate Obamacare so much all of the sudden care about uninsured Americans. I thought that was the general republican idea; let them eat worms. If the right wingers really cared about the people they are using as examples, then they would want them to have insurance. If this was a story with proper links and sources, then we could look at the facts. One specific question would be "How much is the total yearly deductible for this patient?" If it is less than the amount mentioned in the Op, then it would prove that the Op does not hold up. Again it is all hearsay so it doesn't allow for objectivity. I know that objectivity is not required for ideologues but I am speaking to the people here that are capable of independent thought.

It's a personal story. Names were changed to protect the innocent.

The OP wasn't speaking to deductibles. The OP was speaking to the COST of medication, period.

Dude, you're all over the map with your post.

Now keep linking to what you 'think' and ass-ume.

Keep

I apologize for assuming that you would understand that the cost of medication would in many cases be applied to the deductible.