Dusty Baker Laments Lack Of US-Born Black Players In World Series

[Resnic]

I don't watch basketball and baseball anymore because it has too many black players that sound like they are as dumb as a bag of hammers everytime they open their mouths. Now it's all about a few thug showboaters.

At least I still have hockey. The one professional sport not invaded by stupid woke slogans and agendas and talk about being racist and so on. I can just watch a game and enjoy the game.

 

[themirrorthief]

baseball sucks...old fashioned game that has seen its day come and gone

 

[struth]

Collard greens work, I've heard.

is it possible for you not to be racist on at least one thread?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Not many of them figure skate, do gymnastics, play golf, play tennis or ice hockey, but Baseball is racist…

 

[Devils_Advocate]

is it possible for you not to be racist on at least one thread?

Nope, and in fact I endorse Moon open racism to taunt some of you…

 

[candycorn]

Dusty has a point to an extent...

Baseball is different than other sports.

In basketball; if the ball goes through the hoop, nobody decides, "nope, not 2 points". If the ball crosses the goal line in football; nobody says "nope, not a touch down". If the ball goes into the back of the net in soccer, nobody says "nope, not a goal". Baseball is one place where jaded umpiring can really affect a player's performance. Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz famously (or infamously) got an inch on either side of the plate. Did Dontrelle Willis get the same consideration? Maybe, maybe not. Did Craig Biggio get balls called that were borderline because he was white that Tony Gwynn didn't get? Maybe, maybe not.


That being said, what Baseball also has that other sports don't have is the constant one-on-one match up; pitcher against hitter. Vlad Guerrero would hit anything in the vicinity of the plate. That part is all desire. You have to have a coach that is not going to "coach it out of you" too. Eric Davis--a good power hitter for the Reds had a hitch in his swing. It didn't matter when he was cranking close to and over 30 homers in a year while stealing as many as 50 bases once he got on.

I think the major problems are that you have to have 17 other guys who want to play ball, umpires, 18 gloves (counting catchers mits), bats, balls, a very large patch of green grass.... Soccer and basketball are much easier to just get out there and play. These are likely much larger obstacles than jaded/racist umps.

Of course, the place where jaded and racist umps can really effect a baseball player's life is on the pitcher's mound.

Not a lot of diversity there.

 

[22lcidw]

Dusty has a point to an extent...

Baseball is different than other sports.

In basketball; if the ball goes through the hoop, nobody decides, "nope, not 2 points". If the ball crosses the goal line in football; nobody says "nope, not a touch down". If the ball goes into the back of the net in soccer, nobody says "nope, not a goal". Baseball is one place where jaded umpiring can really affect a player's performance. Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz famously (or infamously) got an inch on either side of the plate. Did Dontrelle Willis get the same consideration? Maybe, maybe not. Did Craig Biggio get balls called that were borderline because he was white that Tony Gwynn didn't get? Maybe, maybe not.


That being said, what Baseball also has that other sports don't have is the constant one-on-one match up; pitcher against hitter. Vlad Guerrero would hit anything in the vicinity of the plate. That part is all desire. You have to have a coach that is not going to "coach it out of you" too. Eric Davis--a good power hitter for the Reds had a hitch in his swing. It didn't matter when he was cranking close to and over 30 homers in a year while stealing as many as 50 bases once he got on.

I think the major problems are that you have to have 17 other guys who want to play ball, umpires, 18 gloves (counting catchers mits), bats, balls, a very large patch of green grass.... Soccer and basketball are much easier to just get out there and play. These are likely much larger obstacles than jaded/racist umps.

Of course, the place where jaded and racist umps can really effect a baseball player's life is on the pitcher's mound.
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Not a lot of diversity there.

Dusty has been given more chances as a manager than anyone.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I think the major problems are that you have to have 17 other guys who want to play ball, umpires, 18 gloves (counting catchers mits), bats, balls, a very large patch of green grass.... Soccer and basketball are much easier to just get out there and play. These are likely much larger obstacles than jaded/racist umps.

This is the major problem and why fewer Americans from poor backgrounds get into it. Then there is the cost of playing on a team that is good enough to increase your talent. These teams are costly, there is always travel involved. Then the good players at a young age are sent to clinics where they are taught the fundamentals and thus they get more playing time and attention from the coaches as they are better early on.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Dusty has been given more chances as a manager than anyone.

That is what happens when your teams win on a regular basis

 

[22lcidw]

That is what happens when your teams win on a regular basis

It's about winning it all. Not getting participation trophies. He became manager of the Astros because of their cheating. He has had several teams that had the ability to win the World Series. He should be expected to win this one.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This is the major problem and why fewer Americans from poor backgrounds get into it. Then there is the cost of playing on a team that is good enough to increase your talent. These teams are costly, there is always travel involved. Then the good players at a young age are sent to clinics where they are taught the fundamentals and thus they get more playing time and attention from the coaches as they are better early on.

You have poor Dominicans and other Central and South Americans making their own gloves abd playing at least pickup games or low cost leagues with little or no coaching and the MLB Scouts are flocking these regions to recruit. I’ve even heard Black Americans say about youth baseball “they are trying to price us out of the game” when referring to the high cost of youth baseball. How about the high cost of youth football? Pads and helmets run pretty high just like baseball equipment does yet tackle football is flourishing in the inner cities while baseball is not.

Baseball has been and continues to make a push to increase participation among Black Americans yet where is push to increase participation among Asian and Middle Eastern Americans?

As a baseball fan, I am a huge Dusty Baker fan and have been since his playing days. I hear and empathize where he is coming from. But, people need to be careful and not construe the declining interest in Baseball among Black Americans is not the fault or action or inaction of anything other than a simple shift in interest towards other American sports.

 

[candycorn]

Dusty has been given more chances as a manager than anyone.

Well..he keeps winning. That could be a reason. LOL.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Let's just see what happens if a white head coach in the NBA took a look around, and lamented the lack of white American male players in the league.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

baseball sucks...old fashioned game that has seen its day come and gone

Baseball is america’s best sport. Not for shallow people who need constant shiny objects and Christmas everyday.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Oh my what a victim you are. Would you like some positive affirmations?

Irony like a motherfucker

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Racism is getting old. They find racism in absolutely everything and anything

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Let's just see what happens if a white head coach in the NBA took a look around, and lamented the lack of white American male players in the league.

Are there white players in the NBA? That would be like a coach lamented that there are are not enough midget lesbians playing in the NBA. Stupid.

In fact, there are far more white players in baseball than there are blacks. It is simply a fact. It is no one's fault, just like there are few black hockey players.

 

[LeftofLeft]

African Africans and Black Latin Americans want to play baseball. Black Americans in the US have largely chosen not to play baseball. That is not the fault of MLB or white America. What are the numbers of Black Americans that flock to the Negro League Hall of Fame? Stop blaming US because you don’t like baseball. For the minorities among Blacks who love baseball, we baseball fans welcome you with open arms and you should be reaching out to Dusty.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

African Africans and Black Latin Americans want to play baseball. Black Americans in the US have largely chosen not to play baseball. That is not the fault of MLB or white America. What are the numbers of Black Americans that flock to the Negro League Hall of Fame? Stop blaming US because you don’t like baseball. For the minorities among Blacks who love baseball, we baseball fans welcome you with open arms and you should be reaching out to Dusty.

'African Africans is a bit redundant don't you think?

Who are these Africans that play baseball?

 

[LeftofLeft]

'African Africans is a bit redundant don't you think?

Who are these Africans that play baseball?

It absolutely is redundant…. That’s the point. Africans are playing baseball because they want to and are not wanting and needing $150M from MLB begging them to like Baseball.