Does Trump Believe in Free Speech or Only His Speech?

[Soggy in NOLA]

First, I mdon't care for Trump at all.
but...
Would you walk into a restaurant that has diners and start yelling how horrific their food is? What do you expect to happen?
Would you walk into a book reading and start yelling how awful the book is? What do you think would happen?
Would you walk into a theater and start yelling how awful the movie is? What do you think would happen?

Donald Trump is no 'victim,' having his right to free speech stolen by Bad Liberals. He is just as busy stopping the free speech of his opponents, and he did it first. He routinely bans newscasters that ask hard questions or print opinions he does not like from his pretend "news conferences." He is refusing to deal with a Fox News debate for a second time, and revving up the slander war against Meghyn Kelly on Twitter. He also wants to expand libel laws so he can sue organizations like the New York Times that "lie" about him (I'm pretty sure NY Times verifies its sources, just so you know). What will political coverage be like when you elect Donald as President? Russia, Cuba – they can tell us all about how to make it work.

Is that REALLY what you Trumpeters want? A country that prohibits unfavorable news or editorials about our President? Shrug and say you don't care at your own peril.



POLITICO reporter Ben Schreckinger was denied entry to Donald Trump's press conference on Tuesday night, despite having previously been granted credentials by the campaign.

The move followed a threat last week from Trump officials to exclude POLITICO reporters from campaign events…

Schreckinger, whose latest story on Trump's campaign was a report on concerns about campaign manager Corey Lewandowski's temperament and behavior, never received an explanation as to why his credentials have been denied. Neither Lewandowski nor Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks responded to requests for comment….

POLITICO is far from alone among media organizations being denied entry to Trump events. The Des Moines Register, Univision, Fusion, The Huffington Post, National Review, Mother Jonesand BuzzFeed have all been denied credentials to Trump's events, often after publishing critical stories about the campaign. In January, New York Times reporter Trip Gabriel was ejected from an event in Iowa after writing about Trump's weak ground game in the state, which he eventually lost to Ted Cruz.

POLITICO reporter denied access to Trump event

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

Free speech <> do whatever you want, anywhere you want. You are free to publish op-eds or flyers against Trump or whatever. You do not have free reign to juts be an obnoxious asshole at any venue you see fit.

Grow up.

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

 

[bripat9643]

First, I mdon't care for Trump at all.
but...
Would you walk into a restaurant that has diners and start yelling how horrific their food is? What do you expect to happen?
Would you walk into a book reading and start yelling how awful the book is? What do you think would happen?
Would you walk into a theater and start yelling how awful the movie is? What do you think would happen?

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

 

[OldLady]

One sucker punch from a mean old geezer doesn't warrant that kind of statement. Better to stick to the facts; they're bad enough to get the job done.
I was relieved to learn last night, though, that rally attendees do have to go through metal detectors. That must mean some of the folks here who want to bring their guns to a Trump rally in "self defense" are out of luck.

-------------------------------- guns are probably prohibited by the PLACE that the rally is held in OldLady !!

Trump And Carson Mock Gun-Free Zones At Their Gun-Free Rallies
ATLANTA (AP) — Republican presidential contender Ben Carson has a simple solution for preventing a Paris-style attack at one of his campaign rallies: "If a bunch of terrorists came in here and there were people in here with guns, it would be very unlikely that they would be able to carry about the kind of massacre they did in Paris."


But there's a snag in that approach — the demands of the Secret Service agents now protecting him, at his request (and at taxpayer expense). They don't allow any guns except those carried by authorized personnel.

No, Pismoe, it's not about the place.

------------------------------------------- point is that its not TRUMPS rules either , he would probably approve of everyone being armed OldLady . Once again its gov rules that disarm te people at Trump events OldLady !!

In that post I was actually defending Trump supporters. Why must you argue with that, too?

Wow, you call that defending Trump supporters?

Yes, Peach; I don't believe in exaggerating the facts. That applies to Trump's supporters, too.

 

[OldLady]

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

Why doesn't it? He is running for public office to be President.

 

[bripat9643]

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

Why doesn't it? He is running for public office to be President.

They have a right to report whatever information Trump is willing to give them, and not a thing more. Trump isn't required to provide any access whatever to the press if he doesn't want to. Freedom of speech doesn't translate into a right of the press to demand whatever information they want from private citizens. They have no such right, as the courts have ruled time after time.

 

[bripat9643]

First, I mdon't care for Trump at all.
but...
Would you walk into a restaurant that has diners and start yelling how horrific their food is? What do you expect to happen?
Would you walk into a book reading and start yelling how awful the book is? What do you think would happen?
Would you walk into a theater and start yelling how awful the movie is? What do you think would happen?

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

He has the right to deny the very same newscasters who constantly lie about him and are the very cause of the violent misinformed protesters.

Give me an example of an actual lie broadcast by any of the banned news organizations. Please.

Which news organizations have been banned?

 

[OldLady]

Odd talk form those who classify any criticism of Obama as racism. You guys are so full-of-shit.

I'm not here waving anyone's banner. If you wanted to sound less full-of-shit yourself, you might try limiting your arguments to what you actually know.

 

[peach174]

-------------------------------- guns are probably prohibited by the PLACE that the rally is held in OldLady !!

Trump And Carson Mock Gun-Free Zones At Their Gun-Free Rallies
ATLANTA (AP) — Republican presidential contender Ben Carson has a simple solution for preventing a Paris-style attack at one of his campaign rallies: "If a bunch of terrorists came in here and there were people in here with guns, it would be very unlikely that they would be able to carry about the kind of massacre they did in Paris."


But there's a snag in that approach — the demands of the Secret Service agents now protecting him, at his request (and at taxpayer expense). They don't allow any guns except those carried by authorized personnel.

No, Pismoe, it's not about the place.

------------------------------------------- point is that its not TRUMPS rules either , he would probably approve of everyone being armed OldLady . Once again its gov rules that disarm te people at Trump events OldLady !!

In that post I was actually defending Trump supporters. Why must you argue with that, too?

Wow, you call that defending Trump supporters?

Yes, Peach; I don't believe in exaggerating the facts. That applies to Trump's supporters, too.

I don't either, but what you call defending can also be taken (read) several different ways and is not exaggerating.
This is why so many misread each others commits without seeing peoples faces or hearing their voices. It's hard to get ideas across from each of our sides with just words.

 

[asaratis]

What do you think would happen if people were doing the same things at a Clinton or Sanders rally? What do you think would be the reaction to someone attempting to get on stage or grab either of them? Yelling and screaming obscenities? Do you think they would be treated the same?

As to access to the press, maybe Trump should use ropes to keep the press at bay like Clinton has done?

Similar things have happened at Clinton and Sanders rallies.

Bernie had the microphone taken away from him by a BLM bully...he just stood back and let her rant over the sound system that HE PAID FOR.

Clinton had a bunch twits from BLM march and chant at one of her rallies...she just stood there with that typically plastic grin on her face and watched them walk through.

I had forgotten about Clinton and the ropes.

Do you remember when the reporters had to chase the Suburban in a attempt to catch her for questioning?

Hillary Clinton and her 'husband', Bill are the absolute sleaziest couple to EVER occupy the White House.

When the Trump v Clinton debates come up, I can't wait from Trump to ask the bitch why she tried to destroy each one of the many women that claimed Bill molested or raped them. She claims to have a hard on for women's rights, but she defends her horny husband when he gets blowjobs in the Oval Office.

Both of the Clintons can kiss my money-makin' ass! I don't want to see either one of them anywhere near the White House...unless it's to return some more stolen property from when they left the last time.

 

[Camp]

Trump PAYS for the areas that he holds HIS rallys with HIS money . Seems to me that Trump can exclude those that he wants to exclude OldLady . Seems to me that Trumps events and rallies are PRIVATE aren't they OldLady ??

It is up to Trump to decide if the venues are private of public. He has chosen to make them public in his effort to bring large numbers to the venues. If he wanted to make them private he could, but that would involve instigating and implementing restrictions and lower the numbers of participants as well as add additional cost. He can't have it both ways.

 

[peach174]

Trump PAYS for the areas that he holds HIS rallys with HIS money . Seems to me that Trump can exclude those that he wants to exclude OldLady . Seems to me that Trumps events and rallies are PRIVATE aren't they OldLady ??

It is up to Trump to decide if the venues are private of public. He has chosen to make them public in his effort to bring large numbers to the venues. If he wanted to make them private he could, but that would involve instigating and implementing restrictions and lower the numbers of participants as well as add additional cost. He can't have it both ways.

In this case that we are talking about, it is his private club with sent invitations and he has the right to deny anyone entrance.
I have not seen any evidence of denials to the public rallies.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump PAYS for the areas that he holds HIS rallys with HIS money . Seems to me that Trump can exclude those that he wants to exclude OldLady . Seems to me that Trumps events and rallies are PRIVATE aren't they OldLady ??

It is up to Trump to decide if the venues are private of public. He has chosen to make them public in his effort to bring large numbers to the venues. If he wanted to make them private he could, but that would involve instigating and implementing restrictions and lower the numbers of participants as well as add additional cost. He can't have it both ways.

Wrong. He hasn't made them public. Only those who were invited are entitled to be there. Trump is free to kick out anyone he likes for any reason.

 

[Preacher]

Donald Trump is no 'victim,' having his right to free speech stolen by Bad Liberals. He is just as busy stopping the free speech of his opponents, and he did it first. He routinely bans newscasters that ask hard questions or print opinions he does not like from his pretend "news conferences." He is refusing to deal with a Fox News debate for a second time, and revving up the slander war against Meghyn Kelly on Twitter. He also wants to expand libel laws so he can sue organizations like the New York Times that "lie" about him (I'm pretty sure NY Times verifies its sources, just so you know). What will political coverage be like when you elect Donald as President? Russia, Cuba – they can tell us all about how to make it work.

Is that REALLY what you Trumpeters want? A country that prohibits unfavorable news or editorials about our President? Shrug and say you don't care at your own peril.



POLITICO reporter Ben Schreckinger was denied entry to Donald Trump's press conference on Tuesday night, despite having previously been granted credentials by the campaign.

The move followed a threat last week from Trump officials to exclude POLITICO reporters from campaign events…

Schreckinger, whose latest story on Trump's campaign was a report on concerns about campaign manager Corey Lewandowski's temperament and behavior, never received an explanation as to why his credentials have been denied. Neither Lewandowski nor Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks responded to requests for comment….

POLITICO is far from alone among media organizations being denied entry to Trump events. The Des Moines Register, Univision, Fusion, The Huffington Post, National Review, Mother Jonesand BuzzFeed have all been denied credentials to Trump's events, often after publishing critical stories about the campaign. In January, New York Times reporter Trip Gabriel was ejected from an event in Iowa after writing about Trump's weak ground game in the state, which he eventually lost to Ted Cruz.

POLITICO reporter denied access to Trump event

Trump "banned" reporters from HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY!? OH GAWD!

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. When he is President, which he well may be, the Rose Garden and Oval Office are not going to be 'private' property. He ought to start practicing now.

Media needs to learn its place they have gone from REPORTING the news to trying to MAKE the news. I agree with Trump. He will be our strong leader we need once and for all. Media is allowed WAY to much freedom to bait people and make something out of nothing.

 

[OldLady]

Sort of like Hillary that refuses to go on Fox?

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

She was just on Fox for a Town Hall with Bernie Sanders on March 7. Less than two weeks ago.

How many times has Clinton appeared in FNC?

You're deflecting. This is not about Clinton. There are plenty of other threads you can use to gripe about the Democrats.

Yeah, you don't want to compare apples to apples.

Here is another Apple...

Obama Campaign Officials Ban Journalists From Interviewing Voters At Rally - Breitbart

Sorry. I wasn't talking about reporters interviewing fans in line at a rally; I am talking about reporters having the right to report on Trump. Even if I was, two wrongs don't make a right. And remember, Obama did go mental over people like Limbaugh, wanted to shut them down. Maybe that should be a word to the wise for you: your candidate is showing what he'd be like if he were in power.

 

[OldLady]

I am concerned about Trump denying access to Himself by press/media that disagree with him. His wish to stop press/media from speaking or writing against him. This is not about disrupting the rallies. I disagree with those who would disrupt the rally itself or anyone who would do the things you mentioned. This is not about the rallies. Read the post again.

If the people's money were paying for the rallies it would concern me also, but they aren't, so that gives him the right to deny anyone who he thinks wants to cause trouble.

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

He has the right to deny the very same newscasters who constantly lie about him and are the very cause of the violent misinformed protesters.

Give me an example of an actual lie broadcast by any of the banned news organizations. Please.

Which news organizations have been banned?

See OP please.

 

[asaratis]

To answer the OP question, yes...Trump believes in free speech. He believes in free speech for all.

At a rally, where he plans to give a speech, he cannot do so if a crowd of chanting fools keeps interrupting him. He is then being denied free speech. The solution is to keep the disrupting crowd of liberal numnuts out of the venue.

It is patently obvious that liberal organizations like MoveOn.org and BlackLivesMatter will continually try to disrupt Trump rallies and stifle his free speech. They are within their rights to chant and make fools of themselves outside of the venue, but they do not have the right to do that inside the venue.

They also don't have the right to punch people or threaten anyone.

That is true. However, any fool that wears an Auburn shirt and sits among the Alabama fans at the Auburn vs Alabama game should at least expect a beer to be poured on his head.

The same applies at political rallies where large crowds gather to support their man and are confronted by trouble makers looking for a fight.

Either way, you cannot legitimately blame Trump for the sucker punch to the guy that was shooting the bird to all the Trump fans. (That's called PROVOCATION...just as if he'd said something about someone's mother.)

 

[OldLady]

Yes. I agree he can keep people out of the rallies. I wasn't talking about the rallies. I was talking about his 'news conferences' where he takes questions from the press about the issues of the day. I was talking about his reaction to unfavorable news stories or op eds in major newspapers or by television news commentators--to sue them in order to shut them down. I was talking about his continuing refusal to 'face the music' for his off the cuff statements. A man who will ban newscasters from his 'news conferences' (not his rallies, mind) because they don't agree with him is exercising a curtailment of free speech. IMO.

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

Why doesn't it? He is running for public office to be President.

They have a right to report whatever information Trump is willing to give them, and not a thing more. Trump isn't required to provide any access whatever to the press if he doesn't want to. Freedom of speech doesn't translate into a right of the press to demand whatever information they want from private citizens. They have no such right, as the courts have ruled time after time.

The President of the United States is not a private citizen.

 

[bripat9643]

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

Why doesn't it? He is running for public office to be President.

They have a right to report whatever information Trump is willing to give them, and not a thing more. Trump isn't required to provide any access whatever to the press if he doesn't want to. Freedom of speech doesn't translate into a right of the press to demand whatever information they want from private citizens. They have no such right, as the courts have ruled time after time.

The President of the United States is not a private citizen.

Trump isn't the president of the United States.

 

[peach174]

None of that is a violation of free speech. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, obviously.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it doesn't limit Huffington, National Review, et al's ability to factually cover and share Trump's campaign. 'splain, please

Where did you get the notion that Huffington post has a right to have access to his campaign?

Why doesn't it? He is running for public office to be President.

They have a right to report whatever information Trump is willing to give them, and not a thing more. Trump isn't required to provide any access whatever to the press if he doesn't want to. Freedom of speech doesn't translate into a right of the press to demand whatever information they want from private citizens. They have no such right, as the courts have ruled time after time.

The President of the United States is not a private citizen.

He or she still is a private citizen, until he or she becomes President.

 

[Camp]

Trump PAYS for the areas that he holds HIS rallys with HIS money . Seems to me that Trump can exclude those that he wants to exclude OldLady . Seems to me that Trumps events and rallies are PRIVATE aren't they OldLady ??

It is up to Trump to decide if the venues are private of public. He has chosen to make them public in his effort to bring large numbers to the venues. If he wanted to make them private he could, but that would involve instigating and implementing restrictions and lower the numbers of participants as well as add additional cost. He can't have it both ways.

In this case that we are talking about, it is his private club with sent invitations and he has the right to deny anyone entrance.
I have not seen any evidence of denials to the public rallies.

I agree if the discussion is only about his private event on private property.