Does Obama deserve your vote?

[Big Black Dog]

Does Obama deserve your vote?

Is this a trick question? Hell no he doesn't deserve my vote nor does he deserve anybody else to vote for him. He's a total ass clown.

 

[syrenn]

Not just no,but hell no. Worst president ever.

He not only doesn't deserve my vote, but he deserves to be voted AGAINST!

Exactly;

I'm not voting FOR Romney, I'm voting against Obama. Therefore, all the slander and libel that the left toss at Romney mean little, I didn't like Mitt in the first place, I just want Obama gone, and gone now.

Sadly.... that too is how my vote is going. A vote against.... not FOR.

 

[syrenn]

Does Obama deserve your vote?

Is this a trick question? Hell no he doesn't deserve my vote nor does he deserve anybody else to vote for him. He's a total ass clown.

oh i am sure anyone heavy into entitlements thinks he deserves their vote.

 

[Wiseacre]

You suggested that we should constrain our votes to Obama and Romney because "one of them is going to win". How do you know that? C'mon man, I don't need a poll to know with certainty that either Obama or Romney will be our president over the next 4 years. I assumed you were going by poll results. If so, you're saying we should vote based on the polls - only voting for candidates are "likely" to win. So I was asking you, if one candidate had an overwhelming likelihood of winning, would you just give up and vote for them - since they are 'going to win'? NO. Wouldn't you vote for the candidate you preferred anyway - registering your preference and building support for your views? Yes I would.


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Are you suggesting both will move the country in the same direction? At the same speed?
No, I'm saying they'll both the country in directions I oppose. It's true I don't see the differences between them as significant, but you're right. It's not fair to say they're exactly the same. Obama is more likely to go in the progressive/socialist/corporatist direction, and Romney is more likely to indulge the neo-cons again. I can't support either course.

You can't really decide which one is worse?

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Here's a suggestion: sit down and write the top 3-5 issues that you think we face, and prioritize them. Be it economy growth and jobs, taxes, spending, debt/deficits, ObamaCare, energy policy, foreign policy, whatever. Obama and Romney will go after each issue in different ways, you're going to have to decide which approach you think is best for the country, no ties. If you think it's a tie, go for Obama, he's the incumbent. Vote for whoever wins.

I've done that, albeit informally. I'll indulge you here. Here are my top issues:

1. Civil liberties/Individual rights - looking for a candidate who remembers what these are, especially regarding the radical growth of the surveillance state.

2. The health care reform debacle. This is perhaps the most dangerous expansion of federal power since FDR. We need real health care reform - starting with a solid understanding of what's gone wrong.

3. Foreign policy. We don't need to rule the world. Period.

4. Corporatism. I want a candidate who understands what this is, why it is bad and will work to reverse the current trend toward this kind of government.

So, on these issues, I would consider each Romney/Obama square-off you propose a tie. Which means I should vote for Obama, right? Fortunately, I reject your premise that we should only vote for candidates who are likely to win.

Yes. If you don't see Romney as a likely improvement based on your criteria after looking at the Obama record over the last 4 years, then you should vote for Obama. Not easy for me to say, since I'm a conservative kinda guy, but if that's your opinion, so be it.

What good does it do to vote for a 3rd party candidate who has no shot of winning? You can't tell me that you or anyone else needs a poll to be aware of that. What good does it do to not vote? In both cases you are letting others make the decision for who the next president is. That's just wrong, a representative gov't requires an involved and knowledgeable electorate who will vote.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I've done that, albeit informally. I'll indulge you here. Here are my top issues:

1. Civil liberties/Individual rights - looking for a candidate who remembers what these are, especially regarding the radical growth of the surveillance state.

Romney isn't ideal, BUT...

Obama has openly declared war on the 1st amendment. He has used the federal government to crush the freedom of expression and the freedom of religion with his Obamacare mandates. Obama has murdered a United States citizen, no hint of due process, no attempt to arrest or detain, just a flat out murder.

2. The health care reform debacle. This is perhaps the most dangerous expansion of federal power since FDR. We need real health care reform - starting with a solid understanding of what's gone wrong.

Yep, and as hypocritical as it may be, Romney is the one to roll this back.

3. Foreign policy. We don't need to rule the world. Period.

Both are foreign interventionists.

4. Corporatism. I want a candidate who understands what this is, why it is bad and will work to reverse the current trend toward this kind of government.

Both the auto bail out and Obamacare are flat out fascism, the merger of the federal government and corporate power structures. From this standpoint, the clear villain is Obama.

So, on these issues, I would consider each Romney/Obama square-off you propose a tie. Which means I should vote for Obama, right? Fortunately, I reject your premise that we should only vote for candidates who are likely to win.

Tie?

No even close. Romney is a case of crabs, Obama is full blown AIDS.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm holding both Republicans and Democrats accountable for failing to represent my values.

So am I, and Obama HAS to go he is a clear and present danger to civil liberty.

 

[Nightson]

Answered with brevity: I pay taxes therefore I must approve of our leadership. By the act of paying taxes, I've already acquiesced my willingness to venerate through mandated contribution the current commander in chief with a biweekly cash donation. Should command of the watch change from Obama to Romney, my contribution will continue--albeit a greater or lesser sum depending on modifications made or not to federal taxation regulation. I'll get back to you on that one.

Does Obama "deserve" my vote? To quote an edited TV version of a film I've grown quite fond of: "I feel like a worm on a big fishing hook." Worm or not, I fail to register--intellectually--the value of "deserve" in relation to titans of modern American Politics. Hypothetically, no Obama does not deserve my vote any more than say, Romney or Paul or Bruce Willis. Perhaps if the president could answer my personal requests--in person, in a timely manner--he'd "deserve" some veneration. As it stands, the mysterious doings of the political colossi domestically and abroad sound like distant drums to my heavily padded ears.

Just answer the question of who your going to vote for.

I remain undecided. Cynicism aside, while I do not believe either candidate deserves my vote, I do believe the act of voting is the sole means of voicing my limited constitutional right to "chime in" on election day.

In response to the topic of the OP, I do not believe any given or nominated presidential candidate inherently deserves the vote of any U.S. Citizen. Neither candidate's political record is completely void of merit, nor flawlessly five-by-five. Were I to research the personal and professional political biographies of each candidate, without doubt I would discover some aspect, some achievement or belief held with which I could personally and or politically relate. One then must fall back on the public record of each candidate, and investigate the veracity of their claims overlayed with their actual "deeds" to determine the consistency with which they have demonstrated adherence to their individual stances on any given issue.

What you really wish to know, is whether I am a Dem or Rep. From there you can more easily decide how to address me in subsequent posts. But back to the debate.

Reasons Why Obama Does Not Deserve My Vote Specifically:

A. As a veteran I find disturbing the failure of our President to withdraw major combat forces from Afghanistan. Talk about distant drums. Every day one or five or eight U.S. Soldiers die. Their deaths are recorded quietly, obfuscated by a general lack of outrage in either the media or by demonstrators on our streets. Every soldier's death from the Cook who died in a random mortar attack, to the Combat Engineer erased by an IED, ought to be nationwide front page news. Call the failure to withdraw Obama's fault or not. This is his watch.

B. Medical Care. Recently I was forced--by my employer--to change insurance providers. The new provider's plan covers less than half what the old did. Where does that leave me? Who is to blame? Will Mitt bring relief? At this point, it's worth a shot.

C. Foreign Policy. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around several foreign policy events which have transpired on the President's watch. The death of our ambassador to Libya. To describe it as an embarrassing lack of foresight on the part of the executive branch does not quite cut it. Foreign Policy leaks. The release of classified info thus far during the President's tenure is inexplicable and troubling. More control from within please. The Arab Spring looks great when taken at face value. How much have we the American People spent to fund it? Which and how many domestic programs were snuffed or underfunded to make it happen? Whose administration wanted to try Guantanamo detainees in civilian courts? China has been rattling it's considerable saber for years. Time to rattle our larger and sharper one.

D. Preservation of Fundamental American Values. There's much to debate here. Suffice it to say certain institutions may be compromised during a second Obama term. Something with which I do not agree. While I do not trust Romney to protect said institutions, I do hope the party base will keep him in line.

E. Change I Can Understand. Many of us bought into the hype in '08. It was contagious. Four years later, I look around my slice of the Mundus and fail to see change that makes sense, has benefitted me or mine, has added to genuine good rather than subtracted.

 

[4Horsemen]

Does Obama deserve ANY votes?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Does Obama deserve ANY votes?

If you are in the auto workers union, and you work for GM, Obama nationalized your company and gave it to your union; a good reason to vote for him.

If you have stock in Blue Cross or Kaiser, Obama is compelling every American to buy your product, at gun point - and will use the federal government to put your competitors out of business. A good reason to vote for him.

If you are a fraud, you can get hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to start a "green" business from Obama, a good reason to vote for him.

 

[4Horsemen]

Does Obama deserve ANY votes?

If you are in the auto workers union, and you work for GM, Obama nationalized your company and gave it to your union; a good reason to vote for him.

If you have stock in Blue Cross or Kaiser, Obama is compelling every American to buy your product, at gun point - and will use the federal government to put your competitors out of business. A good reason to vote for him.

If you are a fraud, you can get hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to start a "green" business from Obama, a good reason to vote for him.

1. nope

2. nope

and

3. nope

Guess I'm voting for Ron Paul

 

[thanatos144]

To answer the OP no Obama doesnt and that is why I am voting Romney cause any vote otherwise is a vote for Obama.

 

[syrenn]

Does Obama deserve ANY votes?

i am very sure liesmatters will vote as many times as she can.

 

[Uncensored2008]

i am very sure liesmatters will vote as many times as she can.

As will her intellectual twin, Jillian....

 

[MikeK]

A vote for Obama is a vote for 4 more years of stagnant ineffectual government. We CAN'T AFFORD IT.

I won't disagree with your assessment of Obama. In fact you've chosen the right words. But what are you expecting from a Romney presidency? That man will be worse than Bush because he's much smarter than Bush.

You should keep in mind that Bush inherited a stable economy from Clinton and he diligently set about to ruin it as if part of some master plan. Don't forget who Bush's "base" was. They are the same people whom Romney will accommodate and unless you are one of them you won't like the result.

The situation we have with Obama/Romney is a clear case of bad and badder. It's a damn shame but there is nothing we can do about it at this point. The U.S. in engaged in class warfare and, like it or not, the side one is on is determined by a decimal point.

I agree. Obama was not a good president and I'm not inclined to believe he'll be any better in a second term. But the choice we have is analogous to choosing between asthma and lung cancer.

So take your pick -- and hope we can manage to come up with a couple of decent candidates in 2016. Just don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

 

[sakinago]

Answered with brevity: I pay taxes therefore I must approve of our leadership. By the act of paying taxes, I've already acquiesced my willingness to venerate through mandated contribution the current commander in chief with a biweekly cash donation. Should command of the watch change from Obama to Romney, my contribution will continue--albeit a greater or lesser sum depending on modifications made or not to federal taxation regulation. I'll get back to you on that one.

Does Obama "deserve" my vote? To quote an edited TV version of a film I've grown quite fond of: "I feel like a worm on a big fishing hook." Worm or not, I fail to register--intellectually--the value of "deserve" in relation to titans of modern American Politics. Hypothetically, no Obama does not deserve my vote any more than say, Romney or Paul or Bruce Willis. Perhaps if the president could answer my personal requests--in person, in a timely manner--he'd "deserve" some veneration. As it stands, the mysterious doings of the political colossi domestically and abroad sound like distant drums to my heavily padded ears.

Just answer the question of who your going to vote for.

I remain undecided. Cynicism aside, while I do not believe either candidate deserves my vote, I do believe the act of voting is the sole means of voicing my limited constitutional right to "chime in" on election day.

In response to the topic of the OP, I do not believe any given or nominated presidential candidate inherently deserves the vote of any U.S. Citizen. Neither candidate's political record is completely void of merit, nor flawlessly five-by-five. Were I to research the personal and professional political biographies of each candidate, without doubt I would discover some aspect, some achievement or belief held with which I could personally and or politically relate. One then must fall back on the public record of each candidate, and investigate the veracity of their claims overlayed with their actual "deeds" to determine the consistency with which they have demonstrated adherence to their individual stances on any given issue.

What you really wish to know, is whether I am a Dem or Rep. From there you can more easily decide how to address me in subsequent posts. But back to the debate.

Reasons Why Obama Does Not Deserve My Vote Specifically:

A. As a veteran I find disturbing the failure of our President to withdraw major combat forces from Afghanistan. Talk about distant drums. Every day one or five or eight U.S. Soldiers die. Their deaths are recorded quietly, obfuscated by a general lack of outrage in either the media or by demonstrators on our streets. Every soldier's death from the Cook who died in a random mortar attack, to the Combat Engineer erased by an IED, ought to be nationwide front page news. Call the failure to withdraw Obama's fault or not. This is his watch.

B. Medical Care. Recently I was forced--by my employer--to change insurance providers. The new provider's plan covers less than half what the old did. Where does that leave me? Who is to blame? Will Mitt bring relief? At this point, it's worth a shot.

C. Foreign Policy. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around several foreign policy events which have transpired on the President's watch. The death of our ambassador to Libya. To describe it as an embarrassing lack of foresight on the part of the executive branch does not quite cut it. Foreign Policy leaks. The release of classified info thus far during the President's tenure is inexplicable and troubling. More control from within please. The Arab Spring looks great when taken at face value. How much have we the American People spent to fund it? Which and how many domestic programs were snuffed or underfunded to make it happen? Whose administration wanted to try Guantanamo detainees in civilian courts? China has been rattling it's considerable saber for years. Time to rattle our larger and sharper one.

D. Preservation of Fundamental American Values. There's much to debate here. Suffice it to say certain institutions may be compromised during a second Obama term. Something with which I do not agree. While I do not trust Romney to protect said institutions, I do hope the party base will keep him in line.

E. Change I Can Understand. Many of us bought into the hype in '08. It was contagious. Four years later, I look around my slice of the Mundus and fail to see change that makes sense, has benefitted me or mine, has added to genuine good rather than subtracted.

Now we can have a conversation. And I dont care whether you're a rep or dem (you sound like a libertarian if anything).

A. Yea having boots on the ground more than sucks... But personally, I dont like the idea of withdrawing prematurely. I feel if we do so, then theres a good chance it falls back in to taliban hands (or something equally worse), and those soldiers would have died for nothing. I do like your point that you really don't hear about the troops in Afghanistan anymore, I honestly cant remember the last story I saw or read about it, even though it should be big news. During the Bush administration we heard about it every other day. I dont know, I feel as though the media isn't talking about it now because if they don't, people assume all is going well over there.

B. My biggest problem with the healthcare situation is that neither candidate is talking about tort reform. Understandably so since there are a lot of voters out there benefiting from their malpractice suits. There have been good hospital policies that have come out to ensure patient safety and quality practice as a result from these suits, but a lot are very expensive, time consuming, and unnecessary. On top of that a big reason why the cost of healthcare is rising, is because the patients and insurance companies are basically (not directly) paying for malpractice insurance for the MD. Obamacare is not the way to go, and it sounds like it was thought up by a bunch of pot-heads trying to throw together a bunch of profound thoughts. It taxes the individuals, and the small business's who already cant afford coverage for themselves, or their employees. In what way is that supposed to make healthcare more affordable?

C. Even if we gave the President the benefit of the doubt in the Benghazi situation (this is becoming increasingly harder to do with all the information coming out) that he was only repeating the intel he was given; It was still a terrible decision to apologize and denounce a youtube video, as opposed to saying something like "I dont agree with what the video says, but I will defend my countries first amendment, if you decide to tread on our embassies and harm our diplomats, there will be swift and terrible consequences."

D. As for fundamental values, I think you are looking for smaller government= a more powerful citizen. This is usually a rightwing held belief, and Romney probably would follow that thinking. Especially more so than Pres. Obama who would be happy enough to tell you that he would like to increase the government.

 

[Dreamy]

Does Obama deserve your vote?

Did anyone who posted on this thread post a 'Yes' reply? I might have missed it. Skimmed this thread quickly.

 

[Aristotle]

Does Obama deserve your vote?

Is this a trick question? Hell no he doesn't deserve my vote nor does he deserve anybody else to vote for him. He's a total ass clown.

So was bush and we had eight years of his dumbass policies but I guess Bush is ok

 

[Uncensored2008]

So was bush and we had eight years of his dumbass policies but I guess Bush is ok

Nah, Bush sucked.

Obama sucks a lot worse. BUT since Obama has a "D" after his name, you don't care that he sucks.

 

[Dreamy]

So was bush and we had eight years of his dumbass policies but I guess Bush is ok

Nah, Bush sucked.

Obama sucks a lot worse. BUT since Obama has a "D" after his name, you don't care that he sucks.

Yup! I have yet to read any post from an Obama voter who will speak honestly about Obama and his failures.

I have seen many Bush voters critical of Bush.

 

[Merchant_of_Meh]

He's not done near enough.

The only clarity have I thus far is that I'm not voting for Romney.

I've been looking into Gary Johnson and I do like some of what I've found out so far.

 

[freedombecki]

no.