Does Being A U.S. Ally Mean Anything, Georgia Triggers World To Ask?

[editec]

Exactly. I agree with this...Russia is just trying to tell the west that they are not going to sit back idly and let the west gobble up all their influence. Georgia, by invading O.S., gave them a perfect chance to flex their muscle and everyone is having hysterics over yet another boogey man.

I'm still mystified at why we have been encouraging Georgia to join NATO when we have no ability to treat them like a member of NATO - namely, fight their wars for them. The entire thing reminds me of when we encouraged the Iraqis to rise up against Saddam and then we turned our backs on them.

Well, maybe I'm not mystified. Dick Cheney's fingerprints are all over both issues.

Because the people currently setting American foreign policy are drunk with power, they didn't deserve to have granted them.

Because these notwits don't listen to the military about military matters, their diplomatis about matter diplomatic, their spooks about INTEL matters, America's scientists about Global warming; or the PEOPLE about the fact that we KNOW damned well they're lying to us about such fundamentals as the rate of inflation, and the lack of viable employment.

Because these notwits are idealogues, most of whom never had to to do doodly-squat to achive power because we are living in what is rapidly becoming a freaking corrupted empire --- a ahmocracy complete with courtiers, nepotism rampant in every nexus of power, overt corruption of our democratic system masked as campaign contributions; bribery called FREE speech and on and on and on.

Enjoy you right to guns, and you abortions, and your gays in teh military, because while the American people were bickering over trifles like that, these morons on both dies of the aisle have thoughly screwed up YOUR COUNTRY.

There...I feel better now.

Thank yoiu for letting me rant.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Didn't Georgia invade another former USSR country that wants to split from Georgia and become their own country?

They thought they could get away with that? Russia aint playin.

What former USSR country did Georgia invade?

If you are talking about South Ossetia, it's a province of Georgia. It has NEVER been anything else. Go back a thousand years and it has never been anything else. Before the USSR, during the Russian Empire, Georgia was annexed with South Ossetia in tact, to the Russian Empire. After the USSR, South Ossetia was part of the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.

These guys are no different than the secessionist south except they have a big gun behind them. Just imagine if when the North came down to Virginia, France and Britain landed 20 divisions each in New York and Maryland and kicked the crap out of the North. It would amount to about the same thing.

Would Lincoln's attempt to preserve the Union been less valid because he got his ass kicked? I'm not trying to say the Georgian president is comparable to Lincoln, I'm just saying the task they are confronted with is the same. I'm also not comparing the reasons for secession (I frankly don't see that it matters. If the South had tried to secede because the duty on furniture was too high, Lincoln would still have tried to force them to stay in the Union).

So to answer your question, No, they aren't a country. No, they don't want to be their own country. No, Georgia didn't invade another country. Yes, they thought they might get away with it. Very true, Russia ain't playin'

 

[Ravi]

I wouldn't say that exactly. If a reporter is standing in Gori and says he's looking at a tank, barring some reason not to, I believe he's looking at a tank. I also think that if you hear something that cuts dramatically for one or the other contestants in the issue, absent a reason to believe otherwise, it's probably propaganda.

For instance:
The Russians are just keeping the peace in Georgia -- Propaganda
The Russians are setting up concentration camps -- Propaganda
The Georgians attack South Ossetia without provocation -- Propaganda
The Georgians were committing genocide -- Propaganda
The Georgians were ill-disciplined and some commanders lost control of their troops -- probably true
Same thing for the Russians -- Probably true

I have heard one reporter on the ground say that alcohol is a major problem among the troops right now. There is a lot of drinking and firing weapons indiscriminately.

Next week Georgia could be gone, but I'll ask you.

No, i hadn't seen that. Probably not hard for them to predict if they are paying attention to this part of the world. This has been a long time coming. Still, it's cool for the guy to have called it. I did that with Gulf War 1. I called the start of the war to within 2 hours.

I don't know if it's cool or not, but it makes me wonder. If some doofus could predict this, why couldn't our government? Or did they and let it happen anyway?

 

[Ravi]

Because the people currently setting American foreign policy are drunk with power, they didn't deserve to have granted them.

Because these notwits don't listen to the military about military matters, their diplomatis about matter diplomatic, their spooks about INTEL matters, America's scientists about Global warming; or the PEOPLE about the fact that we KNOW damned well they're lying to us about such fundamentals as the rate of inflation, and the lack of viable employment.

Because these notwits are idealogues, most of whom never had to to do doodly-squat to achive power because we are living in what is rapidly becoming a freaking corrupted empire --- a ahmocracy complete with courtiers, nepotism rampant in every nexus of power, overt corruption of our democratic system masked as campaign contributions; bribery called FREE speech and on and on and on.

Enjoy you right to guns, and you abortions, and your gays in teh military, because while the American people were bickering over trifles like that, these morons on both dies of the aisle have thoughly screwed up YOUR COUNTRY.

There...I feel better now.

Thank yoiu for letting me rant.

What would you have us do different, Eddie? This is a serious question.

 

[sealybobo]

The United States government should be doing more for the Georgian people to help protect Georgian democracy and sovereignty. America’s honor, credibility and reputation is at stake as a supporter for human rights, democracy and a new order throughout the world where the world is rid of totalitarian and the like forms of government and where peace, non-aggression, human rights and equitable distribution of wealth prevails throughout the world. Particularly, America needs to step-up here because we have called Georgia America’s ally and Georgia came to our aid when asked when America was looking for allies to build a democracy in Iraq back in 2003 when America didn’t have many true friends. It is now America’s turn to be a true friend to Georgia.

To this end, the United States government should take action to protect the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, because if the capital goes, for all practical and intensive purposes the central democratically elected government of Georgia likely goes and the sovereign country of Georgia likely goes. The U.S. government should announce a security line around the capitol (have it be like sixty miles out ) and announce that if the Russian Army passes that line it will consider it an act to destroy the sovereign government of Georgia and end the democratic and sovereign country of Georgia which the U.S. will take extreme actions to prevent. The extreme actions the U.S. should take are the following; the U.S. should begin to air drop and air lift weapon systems into Georgia to help the Georgian Army and Georgian security forces defend their country be it artillery guns, artillery shells, armed Humvees, SAM hand held missiles, hand held heavy duty rockets and the like. Moreover, the U.S. government should publicly announce that if the Russian Army crosses this Tbilisi security line, the U.S. is publicly making an indefinite commitment to provide military assistance to the Georgian people to hold on to their country and democracy and get it back from Russia if Russia prevails in its aggression and this indefinite commitment includes not only overt military assistance to Georgians but also if need be the use of the CIA to funnel weapons to the indigenous people of Georgia to help them fight for freedom and a democratic and sovereign government of Georgia.

The U.S. needs to act immediately and let Russia know this aggression against the sovereign country of Georgia will not be worth it, the long-term costs on the Russian people and the Russian government will be such this aggression will be shown to be clearly wrong and clearly foolish on the part of the Russian government.

God I wish you people listened to air america so you knew what was actually happening. Remember the Secretary of state during Bush 1? They told saddam that they don't get involved in arab on arab conflicts, so he invaded kuwait. little did he know we lied. Well rove went to georgia and assured them that we would have their backs. This is rove/gop 101.

condy would have dealt with this a week earlier if she really wanted to prevent this.

anyways, you guys keep believing crooks, murderers, traitors. Georgia. ha! Fuck georgia. Mccain equals ww3.

 

[AllieBaba]

Didn't Georgia invade another former USSR country that wants to split from Georgia and become their own country?

They thought they could get away with that? Russia aint playin.

So anytime a piece of a country wants to secede, the neighbors get to come in and take the piece that's seceding?

Great.

 

[dilloduck]

Where they were being shelled from, with Russian missiles btw. Sort of like Hamas, Hizbollah into Israel, with Russian missiles provided by Iran. Proxies everywhere.

Hey, let's talk about the Evil Joos now. Just like Putin's puppet.

Well---I'm waiting---tell us all about how the

Evil Joos

fit in to this madness. Doing a little baiting are ya ?

 

[Annie]

Well---I'm waiting---tell us all about how the fit in to this madness. Doing a little baiting are ya ?

Nope, but one must be able to follow along.

 

[dilloduck]

Nope, but one must be able to follow along.

Oh I'm following along quite well, ty. Nice of you to bring the "Evil Joos" up.

 

[Annie]

Oh I'm following along quite well, ty. Nice of you to bring the "Evil Joos" up.

Totally in response to the poster I was responding to, but never you mind.

 

[dilloduck]

Totally in response to the poster I was responding to, but never you mind.

I got it---proxy wars. Still don't see the point in baiting the Evil Joo haters other than it's just something your ilk does.

 

[Annie]

I got it---proxy wars. Still don't see the point in baiting the Evil Joo haters other than it's just something your ilk does.

Of course you are ignoring the fact that the President of Russia mentioned the Jews regarding Georgia the other night? Right? Of course you did. You got that.

 

[dilloduck]

Of course you are ignoring the fact that the President of Russia mentioned the Jews regarding Georgia the other night? Right? Of course you did. You got that.

You betcha. I'm right on top of it. Didn't see bobo make any allusions to it like you claimed but I'm sure it was an honest slip of the Joo word.

 

[Ravi]

There is an undercurrent of antisemitism on this board that is disturbing.

What is going on here?

 

[dilloduck]

There is an undercurrent of antisemitism on this board that is disturbing.

What is going on here?

Check with the first person who brought the words

Evil Joos

into this thread.

 

[Ravi]

I don't know the history here, but I don't think Kathianne is the one being antisemitic.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't know the history here, but I don't think Kathianne is the one being antisemitic.

in other words I am anti-semitic ? There isn't another single reference to Jews on this thread.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't know the history here, but I don't think Kathianne is the one being antisemitic.

Maybe you should check the history of this thread before making accusations. That or get your anti-semitic undercurrent detector checked. Shogun will toss his cookies if he sees you proving his point for him.

 

[Ravi]

Methinks you protest too much.

Prove me wrong. I have no problem being wrong.

 

[dilloduck]

Methinks you protest too much.

Prove me wrong. I have no problem being wrong.

Prove Im' not anti-semitic ? Surely you jest. I wasn't the one who brought up "evil Joos". Cmon Ravi----did you read who said what ?