Does Being A U.S. Ally Mean Anything, Georgia Triggers World To Ask?

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  1. JimofPennsylvan
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    The United States government should be doing more for the Georgian people to help protect Georgian democracy and sovereignty. America’s honor, credibility and reputation is at stake as a supporter for human rights, democracy and a new order throughout the world where the world is rid of totalitarian and the like forms of government and where peace, non-aggression, human rights and equitable distribution of wealth prevails throughout the world. Particularly, America needs to step-up here because we have called Georgia America’s ally and Georgia came to our aid when asked when America was looking for allies to build a democracy in Iraq back in 2003 when America didn’t have many true friends. It is now America’s turn to be a true friend to Georgia.

    To this end, the United States government should take action to protect the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, because if the capital goes, for all practical and intensive purposes the central democratically elected government of Georgia likely goes and the sovereign country of Georgia likely goes. The U.S. government should announce a security line around the capitol (have it be like sixty miles out ) and announce that if the Russian Army passes that line it will consider it an act to destroy the sovereign government of Georgia and end the democratic and sovereign country of Georgia which the U.S. will take extreme actions to prevent. The extreme actions the U.S. should take are the following; the U.S. should begin to air drop and air lift weapon systems into Georgia to help the Georgian Army and Georgian security forces defend their country be it artillery guns, artillery shells, armed Humvees, SAM hand held missiles, hand held heavy duty rockets and the like. Moreover, the U.S. government should publicly announce that if the Russian Army crosses this Tbilisi security line, the U.S. is publicly making an indefinite commitment to provide military assistance to the Georgian people to hold on to their country and democracy and get it back from Russia if Russia prevails in its aggression and this indefinite commitment includes not only overt military assistance to Georgians but also if need be the use of the CIA to funnel weapons to the indigenous people of Georgia to help them fight for freedom and a democratic and sovereign government of Georgia.

    The U.S. needs to act immediately and let Russia know this aggression against the sovereign country of Georgia will not be worth it, the long-term costs on the Russian people and the Russian government will be such this aggression will be shown to be clearly wrong and clearly foolish on the part of the Russian government.
     
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    Far be it from me to not be gung ho, but I think we don't need to escalate tensions just yet. On the other hand, this seems like a truly clever move:

    Combined with the EU peace plan. I'm not sure the Georgians can stand any more Russian "peace keeping" so named because dead Georgians are peaceful Georgians.
     
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    Have no fear, Bush is letting France handle the negotiations.

    I expect that Soviet troops to be so busy occupying Alsace Lorrain and the Sudentenland they'll have to withdrawl from Georgia altogether.
     
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    And where does the interest come in? What's so crucial about Georgia that the US would risk War with Russia, exactly?

    C'mon, man, look at history and let me know of any war pursued for 'Democracy'.

    Not gonna happen.
     
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    Regarding the OP:

    *Has had and not removed US forces that are 'training' with Georgian military-something so far the Russians decided was worth ignoring by making the invasion.

    *The US has returned the Georgian troops from Iraq to Georgia, via American military planes.

    *Agreed with sending Sarkozy to try and broker a cease-fire, when that failed:

    *Already sent and landed a US Military Cargo plane in Georgia to bring 'humanitarian aid.

    *Sending SOT to the Georgian capital.

    Are we, the US, going to send in US troops, no. However, it appears that we have been working diplomatically, with hard and soft diplomacy to help back Georgia. That Georgia let Russia bait them into an excuse, which Russia has been trying to provoke for months, well that was Georgia's mistake.
     
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    Let's just hope that neither Georgia OR Russia is using us (The U.S.) as "bait" to get involved - in something we should not have our nose into. A-G-A-I-N!! :eusa_shhh:
     
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    We do not currently have the troops (or the treasury) to face down the Russians on their turf.

    Unless you guys are calling for a nuclear confrontation, of course.
     
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    Bush was too busy hanging out with the girls from the Olympic volleyball team to be bothered with strategery.
     
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    True statement.

    Our efforts should be limited to making it clear that the US will not long allow Georgian sovereignty to be violated without costs being imposed on the Russians.

    That our demands be withdrawal of the Russian forces from all Georgian territory. That blue helmets or the like be placed in the breakaway provinces. That Russia withdraw to within its borders.

    If the Russians resist, our hand is only economic and diplomatic. But, we and the Europeans hold several keys to what Russians want. Playing those cards however, may require some pain on the part of the players and it will be a test of what is more important to those countries.

    I fear that failure to subject Russia to some pain for this will cost us much more later. I also fear that there is no leader currently nor on the horizon that can rally the west to stand up in any meaningful way to Czar Vladimir I.
     
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    I'm not sure it can be pulled off. If you talking about the same players I am, they HATE pain and sacrifice. Denial of the entire event works better for them. Most of the them are probably thinking "Georgia ? You mean that state where Atlanta is ? "
     

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