Does America Need Be Saved From Theocracy?

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    1.I have actually had to endure posts from government school grads along this line of what passes for thinking:
    “You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”

    Wow.



    There are ‘religion’ groups that do demand control of the society…but the Judeo-Christian view on which this nation was founded is not one. But this nation was created with Judeo-Christian principles in mind:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams



    2. Now about that ‘ramming down disproving throats’ fable.

    “Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America. Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.” Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.



    3. Assume arguendo that there is as much reason to have a religious citizenry as there is to have an non-religious one. The solution is that you don’t have to believe, ....but it is in your interest to have others believe.

    The most succinct argument in favor of a religious citizenry comes from a famous atheist, Voltaire: "I don't believe in God, but I hope my valet does so he won't steal my spoons."
    How Voltaire's Atheism Overthrew Deism

    And, Voltaire also famously said "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer." Mais toute la nature nous crie qu'il existe; qu'il y a une intelligence suprême, un pouvoir immense, un ordre admirable, et tout nous instruit de notre dépendance. "If God did not exist, he would have to be invented."

    For the same reason as above....it is society's interest to have more religious folks, than non-religious


    BTW…when about to die, Voltaire recanted: “He at once sent for the priest, and wanted to be ‘reconciled with the church.’ The Tragic Death of Voltaire the Atheist | Paw Creek Ministries





    Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology. Rousseau, Hegel and Marx took the opposite view, and the result was multiple millions slaughtered.


    4. The less educated also claim that the Constitution somehow inveighs against religion and mandates it be separated from government. Another falsity.
    The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.




    Sooooo......where is the 'threat' of a theocracy?????
     
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    Yes.

    The theocracy which proclaims the supremacy of The State.
     
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    So, there are no politicians trying to legislate their religious beliefs?

    Example. The right wants the ability for businesses to discriminate based on their religious beliefs. They want it to be OK for a Pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription if that prescription is against his "religion".
     
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    Um. I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years.

    You Bible thumpers ARE trying to ram your superstitions down our throats.

    Knock it off.

    If you think Gay marriage or Abortion are bad... don't have one. This isn't that complicated.
     
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    Just as many were slaughtered by God-fearing Christians... The Nazis didn't wear belt buckles that said, "Atheism is nifty", they wore ones that said this.

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    For those who don't speak German, it translates to "God With Us"
     
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    Classic definition of profanity
     
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    Hey, I am sure the Nazis honestly thought that they were doing God's work.

    The fact is, every Christian Nation in Europe was happy to send volunteers to help the Nazis cleanse the world of the Jews.

    Yeah, after the war, everyone felt really bad about it. The Vatican even decided to make sure part of Vatican 2 was to absolve the Jews of Jesus' murder. (even though according the bible, they totally killed the guy for blasphemy)
     
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    Your lack of historical rigor knows no bounds. The Nazis were very much anti-Church since they saw it as a threat to their political power. They instead sought to establish a Reich Church which would be compatible with Nazi rule & in-step with Nazi ideology. This was very similar to the Soviet Orthodox Church which was an attempt by the Leninists to replace the Russian Orthodox Church. In any case, neither of these so-called state churches were anywhere near being in-step with God or being labeled as theocratic.
     
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    The Entire Middle East is the threat of a theocracy.

    Case closed
     
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    They make The State their god.

    Post #2 stands.
     
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