Does a LGBT person have to chose between being LGBT and being Christian?

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    That's what I want to know.

    My own religion, Catholicism, teaches that all sexual relations, except between a man and a woman who are married, not using birth control, is sinful.

    So MOST sexual stuff, including masturbation and oral sex, is sinful.

    That obviously includes homosexuality as well.

    I would assume most other Christian denominations have similar rules.

    So a Christian church that ACCEPTS homosexuals and says YOU DON"T HAVE TO CHANGE, is not being truthful to Christian teachings.

    However, the state of being homosexual is not sinful, it is only sinful to ACT ON IT.

    The Catholic Church teaches that homosexuals are called to be abstinent.

    Is that a teaching that any homosexual can accept?
     
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    hope not , i prefer that homosexuals are guilt ridden and consumed with dread and guilt BRook .
     
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    Everyone who is aware of sin and believes in God has some awareness of guilt and dread, homosexuals aren't the only one.

    But there is no other group of sinners who is asking the church to accept not only them, but the sins they commit as well.

    I don't think homosexuals have a right to demand that the church accept their sin.
     
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    Neither Church nor government nor any individual can change the ideal. And only each individual can decide how close to the ideal they wish to be. The Church is there to help people attain the ideal.
     
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    The ideal is a life totally without sin, which is unacheivable. The best we can hope for is to live in a state of grace, which means our sins are not so serious as to be mortal sins, and if we do have mortal sin, we repent them (through confession if you're Catholic) so that we are once again in a state of grace.

    There is no way to live an open, declared homosexual lifestyle and be in state of grace, because a person doing that is declaring that he will not repent of his sins.
     
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    The Bible directs men to not "spill" their seed so, according to The Bible masturbation is a sin.

    Jus' sayin' ..........

    If you jack off then according to Jesus you are going to Hell; oops ...........
     
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    That's right, masturbation is a sin. I already said it, did you bother to read the OP?
     
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    Yes; everyone that chokes the chicken is going to Hell. I read that.
     
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    Not everyone who sins goes to hell. That was YOU who said that, and it was a stupid thing to say.

    Perhaps you are not equipped mentally to have a serious discussion.
     
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    well, it is also stupid for an all knowing being to create His supposed most loved creation, all while He knows that 'most' loved of all His creation will a majority burn in Hell forever. not a great concept, IMO.
     

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