Documented proof Republican fear mongering

[Lonestar_logic]

I voted for Obama not the Democratic Party, the same way I voted for a religiously conservative candidate in my area, not the party he belongs to.

You've already shown yourself to be a liar, so forgive me for not believing you.

What does who I vote for have to do with the topic and the link posted?

You know why I call you dopes monkeys, chimps, apes, baboons, gibbons and gorillas? I enjoy not just whipping you idiots in debates and with facts, I also enjoy psychological controlling and humiliating you GOP puppets as I own and whip you all in debates, it wouldn't be fun and most important it would be me if I didn't do it.

What does "I voted for Obama not the Democratic Party, the same way I voted for a religiously conservative candidate in my area, not the party he belongs to" have to do with the topic and the link posted?

Boy are you stupid!

You can't whip anyone in a debate, as a matter of you never engage in debates. You spout off bullshit and when challenged you either runaway, change topics or ignore the challenge altogether. You are nothing but a clown

 

[drsmith1072]

Trust me the only person that takes bass seriously is bass.

When the right feels the need to chime in a try to tear down the messenger as they ignore the message that pretty much shows that the right takes him seriously.
If they didn't, then they wouldn't feel the need to chime in and tear him down.

What message was the idiot trying to convey? Can he or you cite one thing in the so-called Republican playbook that isn't true? And how is asking the basshole that question tearing him down? Oh he can go and call everyone monkeys and your ok with that but when he starts recieving a little of what he's giving all of a sudden he's being torn down. You're a fucking idiot and a joke, now run along and go play.

So you are asking him to prove that the comments about obama making the US socialist (the new red scare) and referring to the dem leadership as "the evil empire" false when they are nothing but opinion based rhetoric that the right uses to scare up the vote??

Have you even looked at the "playbook" he is referring to?? You seem to beleive that everything in the "playbook" is true but my guess is that you haven't even read it.

As for the monkey comment I believe it began in response to a rightwinger by the name of "lonestar_logic" who referred to bass 2.0 as "basshole"

So you get what you give and then YOU whine about and try to use his response to your attack as justification for your next attack. LOL

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The Democrats main platform is fear mongering and scare tactics. They can't run on their records so what do they do? They Beat up on Bush and warn the folks about how bad it would be if the Republicans regain power. Every four years that claim that the Republicans are going to gut the social security system. Everything is a crisis with the Democrats, they said if we didn't pass the stimulus the country would be in "dire straits".

Talk about projection. The right has used terror and 9/11 to "buy" votes through fear and continue to do so. They also use immigration, which they chose to do next to nothing about when they had the chance, to scare people. Then there is the "death panel" arguments about the healthcare bill. The red scare both socialism and communism.

Furthermore, beating up on bush when this economic mess began on his watch is justified. I know that you rightwing lemmings would just love to forget him and blame everything on the democrats but that's just not realistic or honest.

I don't warn people about how bad it will be IF republicans regain power I just don't see the logic behind putting the same politicians who increased the size of government when they had power when they manipulate their base while arguing against it back into power and expecting a different result?

Furthermore, it's kind of hard for right wingers to complain about the stimulus when they and their states took the money even as they hypocrtically condemned where it came from.

It's been pointed out, but I guess your not bright enough to have understood it, that both sides uses fear and scare tactics, it has been going on since the dawn of politics. Beating up on Obama about his policies are also justified, so what's your point?

Speaking of honesty, I doubt you have that capability. Under Obama the size of government has increased by 25 percent, you can't say the same about Bush. And not all of the States took all the stimulus money that was offered them.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

When the right feels the need to chime in a try to tear down the messenger as they ignore the message that pretty much shows that the right takes him seriously.
If they didn't, then they wouldn't feel the need to chime in and tear him down.

What message was the idiot trying to convey? Can he or you cite one thing in the so-called Republican playbook that isn't true? And how is asking the basshole that question tearing him down? Oh he can go and call everyone monkeys and your ok with that but when he starts recieving a little of what he's giving all of a sudden he's being torn down. You're a fucking idiot and a joke, now run along and go play.

So you are asking him to prove that the comments about obama making the US socialist (the new red scare) and referring to the dem leadership as "the evil empire" false when they are nothing but opinion based rhetoric that the right uses to scare up the vote??

Have you even looked at the "playbook" he is referring to?? You seem to beleive that everything in the "playbook" is true but my guess is that you haven't even read it.

As for the monkey comment I believe it began in response to a rightwinger by the name of "lonestar_logic" who referred to bass 2.0 as "basshole"

So you get what you give and then YOU whine about and try to use his response to your attack as justification for your next attack. LOL

Yes I read the "playbook" and I didn't see one thing that could be considered a "scare tactic" or "fear mongering", have you?

Point out one thing in that so-called playbook that isn't true.

No that monkey thing started a long before I called him a basshole. Wise up!

 

[Samson]

Old news is old but yeah, they layed it all out.

With this knowledge one would think people wouldn't be so hoodwinked by the tactics of the GOP.

No; both parties rely on their members maintaining blind partisanship despite their mutually assured stupidity.

 

[drsmith1072]

he's a typical demonRat and just like the idiot he voted for, his allegiance lies somewhere other than AMERICA.

The Bass is a Democrat now? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Now thats a funny one, I don't act like a rightwing Republican monkey so I must be a Democrat or lefty, I mean us Americans are incapable of speaking for ourselves and having our own mind so we must belong to some political party or subscribe to their ideology, thats it, LOLOLOLOL!

Yes you are a Democrat, at least 90 percent of you blacks vote that way, you did in fact vote for Obama and you defend him and his policies vigorously. And as for you being an American? I think that's debatable seeing the flag your flying.

Have you read your tagline??

“Texas will again lift it's head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” --Sam Houston--

How can you even begin to complain about someone else and claim their status as an American is debatable when your quote is about texas being a separate nation??

 

[drsmith1072]

When the right feels the need to chime in a try to tear down the messenger as they ignore the message that pretty much shows that the right takes him seriously.
If they didn't, then they wouldn't feel the need to chime in and tear him down.

What message was the idiot trying to convey? Can he or you cite one thing in the so-called Republican playbook that isn't true? And how is asking the basshole that question tearing him down? Oh he can go and call everyone monkeys and your ok with that but when he starts recieving a little of what he's giving all of a sudden he's being torn down. You're a fucking idiot and a joke, now run along and go play.

Obama is not a socialist, especially when he bailed out big businesses after they screwed up, a true socialist or communist would have totally nationalized the car industry, regulating big business is NOT socialism nor communism, but this is all moot since that playbook explicitly details using fear and smearing to accomplish their goals.

I have made similar arguments in the past but you have to realize that most rightwingers on this board are not interested in facts that counter their political tactics such as the new red scare as they try to claim that obama is a socialist and is turning the US into a socialist nation.
They, like the R's last president, "know what they believe. They will continue to articluate what they believe and what they believe... they believe what they believe is right"


it's paraphrase of the bushism but it fits quite well.
I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right.

It's all about belief with a lot of them and facts rarely have a place in their world.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The Bass is a Democrat now? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Now thats a funny one, I don't act like a rightwing Republican monkey so I must be a Democrat or lefty, I mean us Americans are incapable of speaking for ourselves and having our own mind so we must belong to some political party or subscribe to their ideology, thats it, LOLOLOLOL!

Yes you are a Democrat, at least 90 percent of you blacks vote that way, you did in fact vote for Obama and you defend him and his policies vigorously. And as for you being an American? I think that's debatable seeing the flag your flying.

Have you read your tagline??

“Texas will again lift it's head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” --Sam Houston--

How can you even begin to complain about someone else and claim their status as an American is debatable when your quote is about texas being a seperate nation??

Context context context. That quote was made while Texas was fighting for its independence, which we won and did become our own nation. And having pride in one's state doesn't make one un-American.

And Sam Houston said this from the floor of the U.S. Senate in June 1850:

“I will say, without vaunting, that Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from whatever source it may.”

 

[drsmith1072]

Tu quo que is an acceptable arguement in this case. The discussion is of a political tactic, not a political position. And I disagree that the climate change debate is not fear mongering. Propoents bring up increased hurricanes, death of crops, more heat waves, cities swamped by rising sea levels.

The other topics you use are not related to the "climate change" debate. those are measurable, non global scale phenomenon that are much easier to quantify and to place blame on. Those are much more observable based on the principle of "if you do X, Y happens"

So are you trying to argue that presenting the facts that support global warming is fear mongering as you try to make excuses for the right's fear mongering as they use rhetoric and baseless accusations of advancing toward socialism (the new redscare) and refer to the dem leadership as "the evil empire"?? Really??

Not at all. The OP presented a case of Republican fear mongering, and I merely pointed out it is a tactic used by both sides all the time. No excuses were made, i didnt even reference the substance of the republican tactics.

My point is that in the end the response to global warming from those who support the anthro-centric model appears to be more government regulation, more government control, and more taxes on things the people in power decry as "bad." The word socialism never entered my response until now, and I'm not even referencing it.

I am not saying that the left doesn't engage in fear tactics too but I was concerned with how you tried to use global warming and yet the examples that you listed were facts that most experienced with the field attribute to global warming. So how is stating the facts considered scare tactics?

The fact that you didn't address the republican tactics is part of the problem seeing as how that was the actual topic of the thread. Socialism was one of the fear tactics used by the right in the "playbook" that is why I brought it up.

Furthermore, when corporations can't be trusted to be protectors of the environment as they choose profits over protecting it then there needs to be increased regulations to make sure that they act in the best interests of the public.

 

[WillowTree]

You've already shown yourself to be a liar, so forgive me for not believing you.

What does who I vote for have to do with the topic and the link posted?

You know why I call you dopes monkeys, chimps, apes, baboons, gibbons and gorillas? I enjoy not just whipping you idiots in debates and with facts, I also enjoy psychological controlling and humiliating you GOP puppets as I own and whip you all in debates, it wouldn't be fun and most important it would be me if I didn't do it.

What does "I voted for Obama not the Democratic Party, the same way I voted for a religiously conservative candidate in my area, not the party he belongs to" have to do with the topic and the link posted?

Boy are you stupid!

You can't whip anyone in a debate, as a matter of you never engage in debates. You spout off bullshit and when challenged you either runaway, change topics or ignore the challenge altogether. You are nothing but a clown

he's a shit pickin, finger licken, chest thumpin monkey

 

[drsmith1072]

What message was the idiot trying to convey? Can he or you cite one thing in the so-called Republican playbook that isn't true? And how is asking the basshole that question tearing him down? Oh he can go and call everyone monkeys and your ok with that but when he starts recieving a little of what he's giving all of a sudden he's being torn down. You're a fucking idiot and a joke, now run along and go play.

Obama is not a socialist, especially when he bailed out big businesses after they screwed up, a true socialist or communist would have totally nationalized the car industry, regulating big business is NOT socialism nor communism, but this is all moot since that playbook explicitly details using fear and smearing to accomplish their goals.

Again point out one thing that is IN the "playbook" that isn't true. Also point out this so-called fear mongering.

And yes Obama is a socialist. Socialism according to Karl Marx is the transistion between capitalism and communism and Obama is certainly out to transform this nation. Obama believes that labor unions should be allowed to organize without a secret ballot. The Socialist Party USA calls for unions to be recognized without a secret ballot. If you would do a little research into the Socialist Party USA you would find that their ideology and Obama's are very similar. But of course you won't because you satisfied staying ignorant and believing everything your masters tells you. If you're anything, you're an obediant peon.

LOL So based on your degrees of seperation and things you claim he has in common with a group you wish to label him something based on a few pixels in the picture because it suits your needs to do so. LOL

I beleive in and support the right to bear arms does that make me a conservative republican?? LOL After all, I hold a belief that most conservative republicans do so that must mean that I am a conservative republican. right??

Interesting, you talk about being open minded and then show yourself to be so narrowminded.

 

[martybegan]

So are you trying to argue that presenting the facts that support global warming is fear mongering as you try to make excuses for the right's fear mongering as they use rhetoric and baseless accusations of advancing toward socialism (the new redscare) and refer to the dem leadership as "the evil empire"?? Really??

Not at all. The OP presented a case of Republican fear mongering, and I merely pointed out it is a tactic used by both sides all the time. No excuses were made, i didnt even reference the substance of the republican tactics.

My point is that in the end the response to global warming from those who support the anthro-centric model appears to be more government regulation, more government control, and more taxes on things the people in power decry as "bad." The word socialism never entered my response until now, and I'm not even referencing it.

I am not saying that the left doesn't engage in fear tactics too but I was concerned with how you tried to use global warming and yet the examples that you listed were facts that most experienced with the field attribute to global warming. So how is stating the facts considered scare tactics?

The fact that you didn't address the republican tactics is part of the problem seeing as how that was the actual topic of the thread. Socialism was one of the fear tactics used by the right in the "playbook" that is why I brought it up.

Furthermore, when corporations can't be trusted to be protectors of the environment as they choose profits over protecting it then there needs to be increased regulations to make sure that they act in the best interests of the public.

It's scare tactics because most of it is speculative. It isnt a direct casual link, such as if you add too much nitrogen to water, algae blooms form, and you get hypoxia. its "higher CO2 may cause higher temps which may cause hurricanes/floods/blizzards/dogs and cats, living together. And since the average person doesnt undertand the science proponents have to go with ZOMG THE WATERZ ARE COMING TO GET YOU!

And plenty of people have brought up the republican scare tactics, I dont have to acknowledge it every single time.

And finally, yes you need regulation, but what level? A carbon tax/trade system/ hard cap isnt regulation, its an attempt to dramatically shift how energy is produced in the country, with the preferred "clean" methods being woefully under-developed for the task.

Honesty would be saying we think climate change is a real problem, thereofre we have to ask you to radically change how you live, and pay tons more for things you take for granted as affordable.

 

[drsmith1072]

Yes and bass sounds so intelligent.

Dude, why do you obsess so much about me and not the topic? Stephanie and Willow have done nothing but fill up the thread with their monkey speak, typical of partisan chimps from the right to attack anything that goes against the right.

Dude, was I addressing you ? No I wasn't so shut the fuck up!

So you are talking about him and he calls you out for being obsessed with him personally, which you appear to be, but you try to tell him he has no right to defend himself??

WOW! Really??

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Obama is not a socialist, especially when he bailed out big businesses after they screwed up, a true socialist or communist would have totally nationalized the car industry, regulating big business is NOT socialism nor communism, but this is all moot since that playbook explicitly details using fear and smearing to accomplish their goals.

Again point out one thing that is IN the "playbook" that isn't true. Also point out this so-called fear mongering.

And yes Obama is a socialist. Socialism according to Karl Marx is the transistion between capitalism and communism and Obama is certainly out to transform this nation. Obama believes that labor unions should be allowed to organize without a secret ballot. The Socialist Party USA calls for unions to be recognized without a secret ballot. If you would do a little research into the Socialist Party USA you would find that their ideology and Obama's are very similar. But of course you won't because you satisfied staying ignorant and believing everything your masters tells you. If you're anything, you're an obediant peon.

LOL So based on your degrees of seperation and things you claim he has in common with a group you wish to label him something based on a few pixels in the picture because it suits your needs to do so. LOL

I beleive in and support the right to bear arms does that make me a conservative republican?? LOL After all, I hold a belief that most conservative republicans do so that must mean that I am a conservative republican. right??

Interesting, you talk about being open minded and then show yourself to be so narrowminded.

I base it on his actions, his past rhetoric and the fact that he holds much of the same ideas as a known socialist party. I gave one shared view that he has with the socialist party, it wasn't the only view, there are many. If I'm narrow-minded then you are close-minded.

 

[drsmith1072]

The Democrats main platform is fear mongering and scare tactics. They can't run on their records so what do they do? They Beat up on Bush and warn the folks about how bad it would be if the Republicans regain power. Every four years that claim that the Republicans are going to gut the social security system. Everything is a crisis with the Democrats, they said if we didn't pass the stimulus the country would be in "dire straits".

Talk about projection. The right has used terror and 9/11 to "buy" votes through fear and continue to do so. They also use immigration, which they chose to do next to nothing about when they had the chance, to scare people. Then there is the "death panel" arguments about the healthcare bill. The red scare both socialism and communism.

Furthermore, beating up on bush when this economic mess began on his watch is justified. I know that you rightwing lemmings would just love to forget him and blame everything on the democrats but that's just not realistic or honest.

I don't warn people about how bad it will be IF republicans regain power I just don't see the logic behind putting the same politicians who increased the size of government when they had power when they manipulate their base while arguing against it back into power and expecting a different result?

Furthermore, it's kind of hard for right wingers to complain about the stimulus when they and their states took the money even as they hypocrtically condemned where it came from.

It's been pointed out, but I guess your not bright enough to have understood it, that both sides uses fear and scare tactics, it has been going on since the dawn of politics. Beating up on Obama about his policies are also justified, so what's your point?

Speaking of honesty, I doubt you have that capability. Under Obama the size of government has increased by 25 percent, you can't say the same about Bush. And not all of the States took all the stimulus money that was offered them.

Have i denied that both parties use fear tactics?? NO, so once again you attack the messenger and this time over a comment that I never made. GJ hack.

Furthermore if you beat up obama over his REAL policies then I ahve no problem with that. hwoever, the death panels spin was not real, the socialist claims are nothing but the new red scare tactics coming from the right and as you tried to spin will lead to communism as you go back to the original red scare.

Personally I thinks it's hilarious that you try to come at me claiming I am dishonest in a post where you dishonestly try to attribute a statement to me so you can try to justify your baseless personal attacks.

Not all of the States took all the stimulus money?? That's the best defense that you have?? LOL How many didn't take ANY of the money?? Got a list??

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Dude, why do you obsess so much about me and not the topic? Stephanie and Willow have done nothing but fill up the thread with their monkey speak, typical of partisan chimps from the right to attack anything that goes against the right.

Dude, was I addressing you ? No I wasn't so shut the fuck up!

So you are talking about him and he calls you out for being obsessed with him personally, which you appear to be, but you try to tell him he has no right to defend himself??

WOW! Really??

Yes really. And I'm not obsessed with him or anyone else.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Talk about projection. The right has used terror and 9/11 to "buy" votes through fear and continue to do so. They also use immigration, which they chose to do next to nothing about when they had the chance, to scare people. Then there is the "death panel" arguments about the healthcare bill. The red scare both socialism and communism.

Furthermore, beating up on bush when this economic mess began on his watch is justified. I know that you rightwing lemmings would just love to forget him and blame everything on the democrats but that's just not realistic or honest.

I don't warn people about how bad it will be IF republicans regain power I just don't see the logic behind putting the same politicians who increased the size of government when they had power when they manipulate their base while arguing against it back into power and expecting a different result?

Furthermore, it's kind of hard for right wingers to complain about the stimulus when they and their states took the money even as they hypocrtically condemned where it came from.

It's been pointed out, but I guess your not bright enough to have understood it, that both sides uses fear and scare tactics, it has been going on since the dawn of politics. Beating up on Obama about his policies are also justified, so what's your point?

Speaking of honesty, I doubt you have that capability. Under Obama the size of government has increased by 25 percent, you can't say the same about Bush. And not all of the States took all the stimulus money that was offered them.

Have i denied that both parties use fear tactics?? NO, so once again you attack the messenger and this time over a comment that I never made. GJ hack.

Furthermore if you beat up obama over his REAL policies then I ahve no problem with that. hwoever, the death panels spin was not real, the socialist claims are nothing but the new red scare tactics coming from the right and as you tried to spin will lead to communism as you go back to the original red scare.

Personally I thinks it's hilarious that you try to come at me claiming I am dishonest in a post where you dishonestly try to attribute a statement to me so you can try to justify your baseless personal attacks.

Not all of the States took all the stimulus money?? That's the best defense that you have?? LOL How many didn't take ANY of the money?? Got a list??

Did I say that you denied anything you stupid fuck? No, I said it has been pointed out and that you may not have understood it. More dishonesty on your part.

Speaking of dishonesty and comments never made, I never made one comment about "death panels" so it appears you're doing the same thing you wrongfully accused me of doing. The socialist claims are valid whether you choose to accept it or not.

It's not defense it's the facts. I don't know of any state that didn't take any money at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if that may be the case. Find your own list.

 

[drsmith1072]

What message was the idiot trying to convey? Can he or you cite one thing in the so-called Republican playbook that isn't true? And how is asking the basshole that question tearing him down? Oh he can go and call everyone monkeys and your ok with that but when he starts recieving a little of what he's giving all of a sudden he's being torn down. You're a fucking idiot and a joke, now run along and go play.

So you are asking him to prove that the comments about obama making the US socialist (the new red scare) and referring to the dem leadership as "the evil empire" false when they are nothing but opinion based rhetoric that the right uses to scare up the vote??

Have you even looked at the "playbook" he is referring to?? You seem to beleive that everything in the "playbook" is true but my guess is that you haven't even read it.

As for the monkey comment I believe it began in response to a rightwinger by the name of "lonestar_logic" who referred to bass 2.0 as "basshole"

So you get what you give and then YOU whine about and try to use his response to your attack as justification for your next attack. LOL

Yes I read the "playbook" and I didn't see one thing that could be considered a "scare tactic" or "fear mongering", have you?

Point out one thing in that so-called playbook that isn't true.

No that monkey thing started a long before I called him a basshole. Wise up!

I mentioned what I considered a scare tactic so I have to ask do you even bother reading posts BEFORE you response or is that asking too much of you??

I am not saying that everything in the playbook is false since some of it is budget numbers for the GOP i would hope that wouldn't be false. However, they do engage in the usual scare tactics and even have a flow chart entitled "motivation to give" referring to motivation to give people in order to get them to donate and in that chart there is a section called "visceral giving" in which it specifically mentions "fear" among other items of motivation.
Did you read that or did your blinders block that out??

Initially he did refer to the GOP members who thought up "the plan" as monkeys. However, he did not refer to YOU specifically as a monkey until AFTER you attacked him.

 

[drsmith1072]

Yes you are a Democrat, at least 90 percent of you blacks vote that way, you did in fact vote for Obama and you defend him and his policies vigorously. And as for you being an American? I think that's debatable seeing the flag your flying.

Have you read your tagline??

“Texas will again lift it's head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” --Sam Houston--

How can you even begin to complain about someone else and claim their status as an American is debatable when your quote is about texas being a seperate nation??

Context context context. That quote was made while Texas was fighting for its independence, which we won and did become our own nation. And having pride in one's state doesn't make one un-American.

And Sam Houston said this from the floor of the U.S. Senate in June 1850:

“I will say, without vaunting, that Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from whatever source it may.”

Yeah context, you are trying to call out someone else claiming that their status as an American is debatable even as you have a quote talking about texas as a seperate nation as your tagline.

Having pride in one's state being separated from the US of America as it's own nation makes your status as an American just as debatable as someone having a flag displayed in their posts.

 

[drsmith1072]

Not at all. The OP presented a case of Republican fear mongering, and I merely pointed out it is a tactic used by both sides all the time. No excuses were made, i didnt even reference the substance of the republican tactics.

My point is that in the end the response to global warming from those who support the anthro-centric model appears to be more government regulation, more government control, and more taxes on things the people in power decry as "bad." The word socialism never entered my response until now, and I'm not even referencing it.

I am not saying that the left doesn't engage in fear tactics too but I was concerned with how you tried to use global warming and yet the examples that you listed were facts that most experienced with the field attribute to global warming. So how is stating the facts considered scare tactics?

The fact that you didn't address the republican tactics is part of the problem seeing as how that was the actual topic of the thread. Socialism was one of the fear tactics used by the right in the "playbook" that is why I brought it up.

Furthermore, when corporations can't be trusted to be protectors of the environment as they choose profits over protecting it then there needs to be increased regulations to make sure that they act in the best interests of the public.

It's scare tactics because most of it is speculative. It isnt a direct casual link, such as if you add too much nitrogen to water, algae blooms form, and you get hypoxia. its "higher CO2 may cause higher temps which may cause hurricanes/floods/blizzards/dogs and cats, living together. And since the average person doesnt undertand the science proponents have to go with ZOMG THE WATERZ ARE COMING TO GET YOU!

And plenty of people have brought up the republican scare tactics, I dont have to acknowledge it every single time.

And finally, yes you need regulation, but what level? A carbon tax/trade system/ hard cap isnt regulation, its an attempt to dramatically shift how energy is produced in the country, with the preferred "clean" methods being woefully under-developed for the task.

Honesty would be saying we think climate change is a real problem, thereofre we have to ask you to radically change how you live, and pay tons more for things you take for granted as affordable.

Thanks for the OPINIONS but I still don't see how arguing that IF the icecaps melt that the oceans will rise, which is NOT debatable, is considered a scare tactic. IF global temps continue to rise then the ice caps will continue to melt. And right wingers proclaiming that because it gets cold therefore global warming isn't real is about all the right usually offers in a debate. However, look at the highs now and those same wackos aren't proclaiming that it's real because it's hot now are they?? LOL

So you would rather stay off topic. Got it. LOL

So you agree that we should have regulation? so your previous slam against the left over regulation was pretty much pointless? Got it. I just think it's funny that you think regualtions aren't regulations. LOL

You are obviously good at presenting your opinions as fact, such as your "most of it is speculative" argument, but you seem to be lacking in the substance department.