Doctors Quitting - Wonderful

[Moonglow]

Indeed. And you'll please note that the word "encourage" is in no way a synonym for the word "force".

So you want them to incenitvize it? So more government spending. So "more" government.

No, genius. I want them to continue doing exactly as they have been.

It's working fine. We don't need any more leftist feel-good bullshit.

Is that what your boyfriend has been trying on you?

 

[daveman]

So you want them to incenitvize it? So more government spending. So "more" government.

No, genius. I want them to continue doing exactly as they have been.

It's working fine. We don't need any more leftist feel-good bullshit.

Is that what your boyfriend has been trying on you?

Oh, look: A homophobic leftist using homosexuality as an insult.

Gasp.

 

[Dot Com]

Bullshit story ? You think the whole survey was fabricated ?

The DPMA is a Tea Party/ALEC astroturf organization. So...yeah. A bullshit survey not indicative of the feelings of all US doctors.

you are correct sir :
Doctor Patient Medical Association - SourceWatch

Doctor Patient Medical Association

The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[4]
Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council

The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC's Health and Human Services Task Force.[5]

kewl thread

 

[yidnar]

This study should be the topic of a few hundred million of the upcoming SuperPac ads.

This will scare the fuck out of a lot of people.

Its meant to. You can do that really easy when you dont have to base the fear in actual facts.

Like this one: Romney to open rape camps

no it's true !!! and the leftist commy bastards in this country will never admitt it !!! the left would rather lose 80% of our doctors than admitt they are wrong !!

 

[billyerock1991]

What is this country becoming?

Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare | The Daily Caller

YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT RIGHT WING SITE YOU READ FROM BUT STOP GOING THERE ... ITS FULL OF BS INFORMATION ... MY DOCTOR AND ALL OF THE DOCTORS THAT I GO TO HAVE SAID STUPID REPUBLICANS THEY JUST DON'T GET IT ... 83% WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What is this country becoming?

Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare | The Daily Caller

YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT RIGHT WING SITE YOU READ FROM BUT STOP GOING THERE ... ITS FULL OF BS INFORMATION ... MY DOCTOR AND ALL OF THE DOCTORS THAT I GO TO HAVE SAID STUPID REPUBLICANS THEY JUST DON'T GET IT ... 83% WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING

Everyone now knows that the "poll" was fake, just more crap from the Rs to scare people and get away with taking good health care away from us. Notice the Rs don't volunteer to end their own coverage.

But, rw's will keep quoting it because the last thing they want is to have to take responsibility for their own health care costs. With the SOCIALIST system we NOW have, they can stick other with their bill.

I'd love to know what percentage of don't have car insurance. Bet its sky high but they'd never tell the truth.

 

[azazazaza]

Wow us physicians are greedy as hell if they take all that money.Who the hell anywhere in the whole wide world takes 1,500 for stitches,and so much money for surgeries,I may come from a small and not so rich country but we only pay 16 and something dollars every month for health care(if you study in university it is covered ,you pay nothing) and if you work it comes from your salary and it's really nothing,that's cheap.They made a law that if you don't pay you health insurance you cannot own a car because many people have money but won't pay.Everyone has personal General Practitioner you go to them they examine you and per say your heart hurts or you have a rash they give you a piece of paper for free and you go to the heart specialist for free you only pay the gp 2.90dollars.If you don't have that piece of paper the exam cost from 50 to 100 dollars.Most doctors have private practices but still work at the hospitals.For children up to 18 years medical care is absolutely free.Can someone explain to me why that health system can't be done in the us?What is the problem?Is it too expensive or something I am interested?Also your med schools are really really expensive,how do normal people pay the costs we only pay 900dollars a year for med school.Sorry for the long post but I was looking up about your elections coming and got interested in your medical care,seeing it was a major issue in your country,well,because I study medicine and I am interested in med care around the world.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow us physicians are greedy as hell if they take all that money.Who the hell anywhere in the whole wide world takes 1,500 for stitches,and so much money for surgeries,I may come from a small and not so rich country but we only pay 16 and something dollars every month for health care(if you study in university it is covered ,you pay nothing) and if you work it comes from your salary and it's really nothing,that's cheap.They made a law that if you don't pay you health insurance you cannot own a car because many people have money but won't pay.Everyone has personal General Practitioner you go to them they examine you and per say your heart hurts or you have a rash they give you a piece of paper for free and you go to the heart specialist for free you only pay the gp 2.90dollars.If you don't have that piece of paper the exam cost from 50 to 100 dollars.Most doctors have private practices but still work at the hospitals.For children up to 18 years medical care is absolutely free.Can someone explain to me why that health system can't be done in the us?What is the problem?Is it too expensive or something I am interested?Also your med schools are really really expensive,how do normal people pay the costs we only pay 900dollars a year for med school.Sorry for the long post but I was looking up about your elections coming and got interested in your medical care,seeing it was a major issue in your country,well,because I study medicine and I am interested in med care around the world.

It's simple math. If your cardiologists are only make 2.90 for an office visit and your avg factory worker is making 4.00 a day -- then Med school should be about a years avg salary.

You can have a 4 times difference in the cost of a hospital bed depending on where you live in the USA. It's all local standard of living. Tell me what is the cost of gasoline is there and we can figure out what kind of paradise you live in..

But I guarantee that most of the advanced DRUGS you prescribe and the MRI machines you buy are OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive given that relative value of your currency..

 

[MikeK]

First, lets TRY to actually use our own brains here, shall we?

83% of doctors are going to quit doctoring and do what? Become truck drivers? Bullshit.

second, why would they quit? The Affordable Care Act changes nothing for DOCTORS. It changes INSURANCE. not CARE. so its bullshit again
[...]

I agree. It's total bullshit!

I had a colonoscopy last month. Medicare and my supplement carrier paid over $5,500. The entire procedure took about an hour. And while I know there were many peripheral expenses involved, such as the anesthesiologist, other assistants, and the hospital service, I doubt very much the doctor walked away with less than $2,000 for his 30 minute effort.

When I visit my primary care physician she spends 15 minutes with me and bills Medicare $120. She sees about 12 - 15 patients a day.

And they're going to quit?

Bullshit is right!

 

[flacaltenn]

First, lets TRY to actually use our own brains here, shall we?

83% of doctors are going to quit doctoring and do what? Become truck drivers? Bullshit.

second, why would they quit? The Affordable Care Act changes nothing for DOCTORS. It changes INSURANCE. not CARE. so its bullshit again
[...]

I agree. It's total bullshit!

I had a colonoscopy last month. Medicare and my supplement carrier paid over $5,500. The entire procedure took about an hour. And while I know there were many peripheral expenses involved, such as the anesthesiologist, other assistants, and the hospital service, I doubt very much the doctor walked away with less than $2,000 for his 30 minute effort.

When I visit my primary care physician she spends 15 minutes with me and bills Medicare $120. She sees about 12 - 15 patients a day.

And they're going to quit?

Bullshit is right!

Why don't you read the billing guidelines for an office visit reimbursement and get back to me.. NO doctor gets $120 Medicare reimbursement for an office visit unless you walk in nearly dead.. They may BILL $120 bucks but they don't get it. And the cost of just RECORDING your visit and submitting the paperwork is at LEAST $30.

10 billing & coding tips to boost your reimbursement — The Journal of Family Practice

When you understand all that -- let me know how much you'd charge.

 

[Bigdaddydem]

Doctors are not going to quit over Obama Care. Instead of greeting their patients at the doctor's office they would have to greet them at the front door of Wal-Mart. Yes the new health care makes it rough on them.....but it ain't that bad yet.

 

[junkyard48]

U know some people dont know that when you get on Medicare that does not pay for all medical bills thats why most have to take out a xtra insurance to pay for perscriptions & stuff Medicare wont pay , But what I found out was once I took out another Insurance I No longer can use Medicare,But I still must Pay the monthly premium on Medicare, A $100.00 a month for Medicare but cant use it,So now I Pay a Premium on 2 insurances & one I cant usem Really Ticks me off That I pay but President Obammy gets all his free but yet he wants us to tighten our Belts While he is Running around the wopld with Wifey & kids & all his friends we pay for to go & he orders Dinner or Supper from Chicgo that gets flown in & he wants us to tighten our F- - - kng Beltshe works for us he should be sending us on Vacations Muslim piece of Sh- -

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What is this country becoming?

Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare | The Daily Caller

How man times do you need to eat bullshit to stop eating it?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

can you blame them?

Nope! They didn't go to school for 11 to 15 years to be dictated to by the government, for their patients healthcare.....

Medical school is only 4 years. And any doctor who entered med school thinking the medical industry wasn't regulated by government and has been for generations probably was too stupid to ever finish. Fuck you're dumb.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What is this country becoming?

Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare | The Daily Caller

90% of liberals thought of moving to Canada when Bush was elected the 2nd time. Most of us are still here.

People think about alot of things.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

“One of our primary concerns is that you’ve got an aging physician workforce and you have these new beneficiaries — these newly insured people — coming through the system,” he said. “There will be strains and there will be physician shortages.”

Read more: Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare | The Daily Caller

Its such a horrible thing that people who do not have health care will now be able to go see a doctor when they need to. What a nightmare. Health care isn't for everyone!

 

[MikeK]

The major problem with health care in the U.S. is the influence of the insurance industry and the legal profession. The problems would be effectively solved by creation of a single payer system which is facilitated by the extensive use of para-professionals wherever feasible.

When I was in the military (in the 1950s) and I had a medical problem I went to Sick Bay where I was interviewed and examined by an enlisted grade Navy Medical Corpsman. If the Corpsman felt confident that he could treat my complaint, he did. If not, he referred me to a higher ranking Corpsman or to the Duty MD (a Navy officer). I believe the ratio of assignment was one MD referral for every 23 complaints.

Once, while on maneuvers in the Philippines I developed a huge, painful boil on an inner thigh. The Navy Corpsman in the field with us was a young fellow no older than I. He sprayed a topical anesthetic, lanced the boil, put a drain in it, dressed it, gave me a penicillin shot and a little box of penicillin tablets. I was back on full duty next day.

Another time I turned into Sick Bay with an infected finger. The Corpsman who examined it gave me a little box of penicillin tablets. The infection was gone by the next morning.

A few years ago I had an infected finger on a Friday afternoon too late to see my GP. I went to an emergency room where I waited two hours to be interviewed by a social worker who filled out a pile of forms. They put me in a bed and covered me with a sheet and I waited for more than another hour for a tired MD who insisted on lancing the finger in spite of my insistence I needed only some penicillin tablets.

Bottom line my insurance carrier was billed over $500 for a "surgical procedure," which amounted to a quick jab with a scalpel, a ten minute dunk in BetaDyne solution, and a band-aid. And that typical redundancy is a perfect example of why we have such a problem with health care in America.

If there was a walk-in clinic I could have gone to and been seen by a nurse practicioner or an experienced former EMT, or a retired military medic, etc. I would have been in and out in half an hour and the cost would have been nominal.

If such walk-in clinics were located in low-income neighborhoods they would take the pressure off hospital emergency rooms and free up hundreds of physicians. And I'm not saying MDs can be replaced by para-professionals. What I'm saying is, by analogy, it doesn't require an automotive engineer to diagnose and solve an engine problem which is caused by a defective or worn spark plug. All it takes is an experienced mechanic.

 

[uscitizen]

Doctors have CONSIDERED quitting.

Who has not considered quitting a job?

In any case we can just insource doctors from India and such, KY is already full of em and many more eager to come over.

Ain't the global marketplace just grand?

 

[daveman]

I had a colonoscopy last month.

Did they find your head?

 

[MikeK]

Doctors have CONSIDERED quitting.

Quitting -- to do what? The very idea makes absolutely no sense and equates to an infantile tantrum.

Who has not considered quitting a job?

The practice of medicine is not a job. It is the most respected of all professions. And it's too bad the practice of healing has evolved from an art into a business. The physician is no longer satisfied with being revered. Now he wants to be rich, too.

In any case we can just insource doctors from India and such, KY is already full of em and many more eager to come over.

Ain't the global marketplace just grand?

The surgeon who performed my colon cancer surgery was a Hindu.

My present GP is an Indian woman.

The anesthesiologist who attended my recent colonoscopy was Indian or Pakistani.

The gasteroenterologist who diagnosed my colon cancer was a beautiful woman -- from England.

The serologist who did my last blood work appeared to be Filipino or Indo -- and he was quite expert. I barely felt the needle.

I don't know how it is in the rest of the Country but here in New Jersey American medical professionals appear outnumbered.

But so far the dentists have all been American Jews.