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Navy1960

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John McCain IMHO is not qualified to be CIC as stunning as this may seem let me see if I can make it as short as possible. His record on the Armed Service Committed is one of killing DoD programs all in the name of cost cutting, however given his new found love of spending 850 Billion and two wars being fought, does it make sense to anyone that Military purchase of new technology should be cancelled, especially much needed technology to replace in come cases 40 year old aircraft, and worn out equipment? The one thing more to contemplate here too is why would a president allow such technology to be developed and be in the hands of a foreign power at the expense of american jobs? I have listed a little history of John McCains dealings with Boeing on the KC-X tanker program. His new target now is the F-35 JSF,FCS, as well as the LCS.

The last time Sen. John McCain started questioning the cost and structure of a massive Pentagon contract in a Senate hearing, he was initially written off as a grump. But eventually, Boeing lost a $23 billion deal to lease tankers to the Air Force.
The Seattle Times: Business & Technology: McCain tackles Boeing project

As he stumps for President, Senator John McCain likes to brag about how he kept Boeing Inc. (NYSE: BA) from winning a contract to build Tankers -- in-flight refueling aircraft -- for the Air Force in 2004. Last week, the Air Force announced that the winner of the contract was Boeing's arch-rival, EADS, parent of Airbus which is based in Toulouse, France and Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC).

That decision is sitting very well with the governor of Alabama, where Northrop Grumman is based. Republic Governor Bob Riley endorsed McCain a mere three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The EADS-Northrop tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, AL, where The Associated Press reports it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

Is it just a coincidence that Riley endorsed McCain so soon after that contract was awarded? Boeing supporters in Congress may be wondering and they are angry with McCain "for scuttling an earlier deal that would have let Boeing build the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers." AP reports that Boeing now will miss out on a deal that it says would have supported 44,000 new and existing jobs at the company and suppliers in 40 states.

Now the contract has been put off till the next president can make a decision on it. The DoD annouced yesterday after a recommendation from the Armed Service Committiee that they would delay purchase of the F-35 JSF risking member country participation to the tune of 330 billion dollars. Three countries in the programs after the announcement have notified Northrop that they intend to seek other options. The Armed Service Committee also made recommendations that the Litoral Combat Ship be delayed and that units 3 and 4 be cancelled and placed on hold all ships after unit 5. Remember we are fighting wars here with equipment that can and does wear out folks and in some cases especially with the KC-135 Tanker is very old. This is the man you want who not only has a record of killing Military programs but also favors offshore military purchases at the expense of American ones.
 
John McCain IMHO is not qualified to be CIC as stunning as this may seem let me see if I can make it as short as possible. His record on the Armed Service Committed is one of killing DoD programs all in the name of cost cutting, however given his new found love of spending 850 Billion and two wars being fought, does it make sense to anyone that Military purchase of new technology should be cancelled, especially much needed technology to replace in come cases 40 year old aircraft, and worn out equipment? The one thing more to contemplate here too is why would a president allow such technology to be developed and be in the hands of a foreign power at the expense of american jobs? I have listed a little history of John McCains dealings with Boeing on the KC-X tanker program. His new target now is the F-35 JSF,FCS, as well as the LCS.

The last time Sen. John McCain started questioning the cost and structure of a massive Pentagon contract in a Senate hearing, he was initially written off as a grump. But eventually, Boeing lost a $23 billion deal to lease tankers to the Air Force.
The Seattle Times: Business & Technology: McCain tackles Boeing project

As he stumps for President, Senator John McCain likes to brag about how he kept Boeing Inc. (NYSE: BA) from winning a contract to build Tankers -- in-flight refueling aircraft -- for the Air Force in 2004. Last week, the Air Force announced that the winner of the contract was Boeing's arch-rival, EADS, parent of Airbus which is based in Toulouse, France and Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC).

That decision is sitting very well with the governor of Alabama, where Northrop Grumman is based. Republic Governor Bob Riley endorsed McCain a mere three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The EADS-Northrop tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, AL, where The Associated Press reports it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

Is it just a coincidence that Riley endorsed McCain so soon after that contract was awarded? Boeing supporters in Congress may be wondering and they are angry with McCain "for scuttling an earlier deal that would have let Boeing build the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers." AP reports that Boeing now will miss out on a deal that it says would have supported 44,000 new and existing jobs at the company and suppliers in 40 states.

Now the contract has been put off till the next president can make a decision on it. The DoD annouced yesterday after a recommendation from the Armed Service Committiee that they would delay purchase of the F-35 JSF risking member country participation to the tune of 330 billion dollars. Three countries in the programs after the announcement have notified Northrop that they intend to seek other options. The Armed Service Committee also made recommendations that the Litoral Combat Ship be delayed and that units 3 and 4 be cancelled and placed on hold all ships after unit 5. Remember we are fighting wars here with equipment that can and does wear out folks and in some cases especially with the KC-135 Tanker is very old. This is the man you want who not only has a record of killing Military programs but also favors offshore military purchases at the expense of American ones.

Man Navy, it's amazing to see what you can find when you have your eyes open looking for this stuff huh?

Great post. :clap2:
 
Man Navy, it's amazing to see what you can find when you have your eyes open looking for this stuff huh?

Great post. :clap2:

Already knew this about Boeing, I have been pretty involved here locally on the KC-X program. Thats another story though. The back story here is that manager in charge of the decision team on the Tanker Lease program right after the Lease deal was approved by congress the first time went to wrok for Boeing. She was eventually charged , big time conflict of interest scandal. However, I have come to the conclusion that even after the scandal and the subsequent rebid and what the new team did to boeing in the rebid process was a complete joke. It seemed to me that the original lease deal was good and could have been kept and still managed to charge the program manager at DoD.
 
Note to self: NEVER piss off the navydude.

laughs, well it's a matter of acting in a responsible and honorable way jillian and when you say your NOT for Earmarks and your a Maverick and the people from Arizona are telling you DONT vote for this but you do anyway and go against every principle you say your for tells me all I need to know.
 
laughs, well it's a matter of acting in a responsible and honorable way jillian and when you say your NOT for Earmarks and your a Maverick and the people from Arizona are telling you DONT vote for this but you do anyway and go against every principle you say your for tells me all I need to know.

I have to respect a person of conviction. :udaman:
 
I have to respect a person of conviction. :udaman:

Sen. Barack Obama expressed his disappointment Sunday that Northrop Grumman and the parent company of Europe’s Airbus beat out Chicago-based Boeing Co. for a contract worth up to $40 billion for the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers.

Obama said it was hard for him to believe “that having an American company that has been a traditional source of aeronautic excellence would not have done this job.” He preempted his comments by saying that he had not examined the deal carefully.

I thought you might like to see what Obama said about the Tanker deal
 
Damn, Navy, you're making me feel sorry for you. Kudos for your impartiality.

No need to feel sorry, It's not the first time I have been disappointed by someone in government far from it. I think it's time those people in Washington started taking that Oath of office a little more seroiusly though.
 
Sen. Barack Obama expressed his disappointment Sunday that Northrop Grumman and the parent company of Europe’s Airbus beat out Chicago-based Boeing Co. for a contract worth up to $40 billion for the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers.

Obama said it was hard for him to believe “that having an American company that has been a traditional source of aeronautic excellence would not have done this job.” He preempted his comments by saying that he had not examined the deal carefully.

I thought you might like to see what Obama said about the Tanker deal

Thank you.

Hillary was a bit more acid-tongued about it... (I love Hillary)

As Air Force officials met with angry members of Congress, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said in a statement, "I am deeply concerned about the Bush administration's decision to outsource the production of refueling tankers."
New York Democratic Sen. Clinton said it was "troubling" that the contract would go to "a team that includes a European firm that our government is simultaneously suing at the (World Trade Organization) for receiving illegal subsidies."

International Economic Law and Policy Blog: Government Procurement
 
Boeing won a major victory Wednesday when the Pentagon scrapped the Air Force refueling-tanker competition, throwing out the contract awarded in February to an Airbus-built plane and leaving the next president to start over.

Now, the outcome of the presidential election could determine whether a Boeing plane or Northrop-EADS' Airbus plane becomes the $40 billion Air Force tanker.

Democrat Barack Obama's political supporters in Congress and in labor unions, and the broad Democratic Party agenda, tend to favor the Boeing airplane, built by union workers in Washington state.

The Republican Party's free-market agenda would tend to be neutral on the choice of companies, but Republican John McCain has clashed with Boeing in the past over the tanker. And McCain's Southern political supporters favor the Airbus jet, with parts sent from Europe for assembly in Mobile, Ala.

Business & Technology | Air Force tanker deal may hinge on next president | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
John McCain IMHO is not qualified to be CIC as stunning as this may seem let me see if I can make it as short as possible. His record on the Armed Service Committed is one of killing DoD programs all in the name of cost cutting, however given his new found love of spending 850 Billion and two wars being fought, does it make sense to anyone that Military purchase of new technology should be cancelled, especially much needed technology to replace in come cases 40 year old aircraft, and worn out equipment? The one thing more to contemplate here too is why would a president allow such technology to be developed and be in the hands of a foreign power at the expense of american jobs? I have listed a little history of John McCains dealings with Boeing on the KC-X tanker program. His new target now is the F-35 JSF,FCS, as well as the LCS.

The last time Sen. John McCain started questioning the cost and structure of a massive Pentagon contract in a Senate hearing, he was initially written off as a grump. But eventually, Boeing lost a $23 billion deal to lease tankers to the Air Force.
The Seattle Times: Business & Technology: McCain tackles Boeing project

As he stumps for President, Senator John McCain likes to brag about how he kept Boeing Inc. (NYSE: BA) from winning a contract to build Tankers -- in-flight refueling aircraft -- for the Air Force in 2004. Last week, the Air Force announced that the winner of the contract was Boeing's arch-rival, EADS, parent of Airbus which is based in Toulouse, France and Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC).

That decision is sitting very well with the governor of Alabama, where Northrop Grumman is based. Republic Governor Bob Riley endorsed McCain a mere three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The EADS-Northrop tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, AL, where The Associated Press reports it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

Is it just a coincidence that Riley endorsed McCain so soon after that contract was awarded? Boeing supporters in Congress may be wondering and they are angry with McCain "for scuttling an earlier deal that would have let Boeing build the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers." AP reports that Boeing now will miss out on a deal that it says would have supported 44,000 new and existing jobs at the company and suppliers in 40 states.

Now the contract has been put off till the next president can make a decision on it. The DoD annouced yesterday after a recommendation from the Armed Service Committiee that they would delay purchase of the F-35 JSF risking member country participation to the tune of 330 billion dollars. Three countries in the programs after the announcement have notified Northrop that they intend to seek other options. The Armed Service Committee also made recommendations that the Litoral Combat Ship be delayed and that units 3 and 4 be cancelled and placed on hold all ships after unit 5. Remember we are fighting wars here with equipment that can and does wear out folks and in some cases especially with the KC-135 Tanker is very old. This is the man you want who not only has a record of killing Military programs but also favors offshore military purchases at the expense of American ones.

Let me do the math. PNAC is a group made up of Bush, chaney, MCCAIN, wolfowitz, etc. Actual members.

They said in the 90's that they would need a pearl harbor type incident in order to push their radical agendas. Now keep in mind how they used 9 11, anthrax, depressions, market crashes and an empty treasury to sell us on war and crazy deregulations.

They also have connections to all the bogus defense contracts. Only about half of the enormous defense contracts aren't fraud. So this was just another way they stole from the treasury.

Ps. I heard the other day on AM radio that some really high tech "classified" weapons of blackwater's was found in an insugents dead hands. The weapon was not listed as "missing". Don't you find that interesting?

We forget no progress was made in iraq for years. They just sat there for $20 billion a month, at our expense, while they gave the rich a tax break.

And MCcain is a part of PNAC?

Why don't people put this together?

Obama/Biden 08!!
 
Thank you.

Hillary was a bit more acid-tongued about it... (I love Hillary)



International Economic Law and Policy Blog: Government Procurement


"We have just met with the Air Force, and we remain unconvinced that the Airbus team will provide a better aircraft than the men and women of Boeing," said Sens. Pat Roberts, Sam Brownback and Rep. Todd Tiahrt, all Republicans, in a statement.

Some of the comments are pretty acid tongued and the hearings are even worse. The bottom line is the program managers in the DoD switched the RFQ requirements on the aircraft after boeing had submitted its plane two years earlier to the original RFQ.

"The only reason that (Airbus) could even bid a low price is because they receive a subsidy," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., whose Seattle-area district includes thousands of Boeing workers. "Senator McCain jumped into this and said that they (the Air Force) could not look at the subsidy issue, which I think is a big mistake," he told PBS.

McCain himself has received support from the EADS North America executive suite. He has received more than $12,000 in campaign donations from some of the company's top U.S. officials, support that continued even as his presidential campaign was foundering in mid- to late 2007.

This whole thing jillian has been going on for years.
 
"We have just met with the Air Force, and we remain unconvinced that the Airbus team will provide a better aircraft than the men and women of Boeing," said Sens. Pat Roberts, Sam Brownback and Rep. Todd Tiahrt, all Republicans, in a statement.

Some of the comments are pretty acid tongued and the hearings are even worse. The bottom line is the program managers in the DoD switched the RFQ requirements on the aircraft after boeing had submitted its plane two years earlier to the original RFQ.

"The only reason that (Airbus) could even bid a low price is because they receive a subsidy," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., whose Seattle-area district includes thousands of Boeing workers. "Senator McCain jumped into this and said that they (the Air Force) could not look at the subsidy issue, which I think is a big mistake," he told PBS.

McCain himself has received support from the EADS North America executive suite. He has received more than $12,000 in campaign donations from some of the company's top U.S. officials, support that continued even as his presidential campaign was foundering in mid- to late 2007.

This whole thing jillian has been going on for years.

Damn... so much for the maverick. Great information. Thank you. It sounds really not kosher, though.
 
laughs, well it's a matter of acting in a responsible and honorable way jillian and when you say your NOT for Earmarks and your a Maverick and the people from Arizona are telling you DONT vote for this but you do anyway and go against every principle you say your for tells me all I need to know.

If you wiki tom delay, you'll read he employed a tactic where republicans would ask him if they could vote against a bill that was unpopular back home. If he didn't need your vote you could vote against it. On the vote you refer to, they must have needed mccains vote.

Just knowing they use this tactic is enough to not vote for these guys. My reps should represent me, not a party agenda.

People just can't add up al the corrupt shit the gop did. And now they are trying to put it all on bush and or say the dems share the blame.

These people are genius. Think they are dumb because the economy is tanking? Its all by design.
 
waits and wonders if the other Republicans will attack Navy for turning on McCain....

I wouldn't recommend it :eusa_whistle:

thanks for the information Navy..

are you voting 3rd Party or not voting?
 
waits and wonders if the other Republicans will attack Navy for turning on McCain....

I wouldn't recommend it :eusa_whistle:

thanks for the information Navy..

are you voting 3rd Party or not voting?

I have not decided yet, but at the moment I have my daughters name on a stickey note to put as a write in. I Will vote, thats a given.
 
waits and wonders if the other Republicans will attack Navy for turning on McCain....

I wouldn't recommend it :eusa_whistle:

thanks for the information Navy..

are you voting 3rd Party or not voting?

Why? I thought it was pretty common knowledge.
 

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