Do You Miss Him Yet?

[The Rabbi]

You understand that faux-narrative was debunked by two of Obama's own SecDefs, right? Obama could have left troops there and chose not to.

No it wasn't. It was the Iraqis who forced Bushes hand in negotiating for a new SOFA by the end of 2008 or the troops would have been force to leave then. They wanted the US out and that didn't change when Obama became president.

So we're going with straight denial of facts then?

You got a frog in your pocket or what? There is no doubt that the Iraqi went to the UN for many years to get them to not renew their authorization for the US occupation and they finally did, thus forcing President Bush to negotiate a SOFA in 2008. You think he did that out of the goodness of his heart?

YTou are in denial that two SecDefs of Obama's both say the same thing: Obama had considerable leverage to renegotiate, and was being asked to do so by many elements in the Iraqi government. He refused to do so and went headlong into retreat, creating a vacuum that military experts had warned about.

So when Bush signed the SOFA in 2008 that called for our complete withdrawal why didn't he use this alleged leverage on the Iraq?

Because it wasn't there. The Iraqis had wanted us out of their country since 2003.

Why dont you take it up with the 2 SecDefs who say that Obama flubbed the opportunity to leave troops there?

 

[nuhuh]

No I am not agreeing with you. W invaded the wrong country and 5,500 service members died for WMD that did not exist and although W did invade Afghanistan, he changed the calculus of deployment and concentrated his efforts in the wrong place. Obama did try to keep troops on the ground but Iraq refused to grant the troops immunity which made staying impossible.

You understand that faux-narrative was debunked by two of Obama's own SecDefs, right? Obama could have left troops there and chose not to.

No it wasn't. It was the Iraqis who forced Bushes hand in negotiating for a new SOFA by the end of 2008 or the troops would have been force to leave then. They wanted the US out and that didn't change when Obama became president.

So we're going with straight denial of facts then?

You got a frog in your pocket or what? There is no doubt that the Iraqi went to the UN for many years to get them to not renew their authorization for the US occupation and they finally did, thus forcing President Bush to negotiate a SOFA in 2008. You think he did that out of the goodness of his heart?

YTou are in denial that two SecDefs of Obama's both say the same thing: Obama had considerable leverage to renegotiate, and was being asked to do so by many elements in the Iraqi government. He refused to do so and went headlong into retreat, creating a vacuum that military experts had warned about.

I suppose you are going to say the estimable Charles Krauthammer is wrong too:

Except for Richard Nixon, no president since Harry Truman has left office more unloved than George W. Bush. Truman's rehabilitation took decades. Bush's will come sooner. Indeed, it has already begun. The chief revisionist? Barack Obama.

Vindication is being expressed not in words but in deeds -- the tacit endorsement conveyed by the Obama continuity-we-can-believe-in transition. It's not just the retention of such key figures as Defense Secretary Bob Gates or Treasury Secretary nominee Timothy Geithner, who, as president of the New York Fed, has been instrumental in guiding the Bush financial rescue over the past year. It's the continuity of policy.

It is the repeated pledge to conduct a withdrawal from Iraq that does not destabilize its new democracy and that, as Vice President-elect Joe Biden said just this week in Baghdad, adheres to the Bush-negotiated status-of-forces agreement that envisions a U.S. withdrawal over three years, not the 16-month timetable on which Obama campaigned.

It is the great care Obama is taking in not preemptively abandoning the anti-terror infrastructure that the Bush administration leaves behind. While still a candidate, Obama voted for the expanded presidential wiretapping (FISA) powers that Bush had fervently pursued. And while Obama opposes waterboarding (already banned, by the way, by Bush's CIA in 2006), he declined George Stephanopoulos's invitation (on ABC's "This Week") to outlaw all interrogation not permitted by the Army Field Manual. Explained Obama: "Dick Cheney's advice was good, which is let's make sure we know everything that's being done," i.e., before throwing out methods simply because Obama campaigned against them.

Obama still disagrees with Cheney's view of the acceptability of some of these techniques. But citing as sage the advice offered by "the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history" (according to Joe Biden) -- advice paraphrased by Obama as "we shouldn't be making judgments on the basis of incomplete information or campaign rhetoric" -- is a startlingly early sign of a newly respectful consideration of the Bush-Cheney legacy.

Not from any change of heart. But from simple reality. The beauty of democratic rotations of power is that when the opposition takes office, cheap criticism and calumny will no longer do. The Democrats now own Iraq. They own the war on al-Qaeda. And they own the panoply of anti-terror measures with which the Bush administration kept us safe these past seven years.

Which is why Obama is consciously creating a gulf between what he now dismissively calls "campaign rhetoric" and the policy choices he must make as president. Accordingly, Newsweek -- Obama acolyte and scourge of everything Bush/Cheney -- has on the eve of the Democratic restoration miraculously discovered the arguments for warrantless wiretaps, enhanced interrogation and detention without trial. Indeed, Newsweek's neck-snapping cover declares, "Why Obama May Soon Find Virtue in Cheney's Vision of Power."

Obama will be loath to throw away the tools that have kept the homeland safe. Just as he will be loath to jeopardize the remarkable turnaround in American fortunes in Iraq.

Obama opposed the war. But the war is all but over. What remains is an Iraq turned from aggressive, hostile power in the heart of the Middle East to an emerging democracy openly allied with the United States. No president would want to be responsible for undoing that success.

In Iraq, Bush rightly took criticism for all that went wrong -- the WMD fiasco, Abu Ghraib, the descent into bloody chaos in 2005-06. Then Bush goes to Baghdad to ratify the ultimate post-surge success of that troubled campaign -- the signing of a strategic partnership between the United States and Iraq -- and ends up dodging two size 10 shoes for his pains.

Absorbing that insult was Bush's final service on Iraq. Whatever venom the war generated is concentrated on Bush himself. By having personalized the responsibility for the awfulness of the war, Bush has done his successor a favor. Obama enters office with a strategic success on his hands -- while Bush leaves the scene taking a shoe for his country.

Which I suspect is why Bush showed such equanimity during a private farewell interview at the White House a few weeks ago. He leaves behind the sinews of war, for the creation of which he has been so vilified but which will serve his successor -- and his country -- well over the coming years. The very continuation by Democrats of Bush's policies will be grudging, if silent, acknowledgment of how much he got right.

 

[TooTall]

Please. Bush lied about WMD, he lied about the aluminum tubes, Colin Powell lied before the U.N. Cheney was on "Meet the Press" saying they had reconstituted nuclear weapons, a month before the vote the threat level went to orange and stayed there, in March of 03 Hans Blix testified that there was no mobile lab, El Baradei of the IAEA testified that after a three month search they found no evidence of nuclear activity yet here they were week after week denying it on national TV.
The AUMF I sourced says the terrorists that caused 9/11. Those people were in Afghanistan, no where near where they attacked.

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

 

[TooTall]

Please. Bush lied about WMD, he lied about the aluminum tubes, Colin Powell lied before the U.N. Cheney was on "Meet the Press" saying they had reconstituted nuclear weapons, a month before the vote the threat level went to orange and stayed there, in March of 03 Hans Blix testified that there was no mobile lab, El Baradei of the IAEA testified that after a three month search they found no evidence of nuclear activity yet here they were week after week denying it on national TV.
The AUMF I sourced says the terrorists that caused 9/11. Those people were in Afghanistan, no where near where they attacked.

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

I'm not sure how you contradicted me, maybe you could be a little more specific

We went to Iraq over WMD that was non existent, while ignoring the terrorists who brought down the twin towers who were in Afghanistan.

Um, you understand we invaded Afghanistan FIRST and THEN invaded Iraq, right?

Yes I do and the effort was milquetoast. There were no terrorists in Iraq period. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan early on and stayed there instead of reducing our effort so they could go after Saddam Hussein.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

 

[BlindBoo]

Please. Bush lied about WMD, he lied about the aluminum tubes, Colin Powell lied before the U.N. Cheney was on "Meet the Press" saying they had reconstituted nuclear weapons, a month before the vote the threat level went to orange and stayed there, in March of 03 Hans Blix testified that there was no mobile lab, El Baradei of the IAEA testified that after a three month search they found no evidence of nuclear activity yet here they were week after week denying it on national TV.
The AUMF I sourced says the terrorists that caused 9/11. Those people were in Afghanistan, no where near where they attacked.

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

We went to Iraq over WMD that was non existent, while ignoring the terrorists who brought down the twin towers who were in Afghanistan.

Um, you understand we invaded Afghanistan FIRST and THEN invaded Iraq, right?

Yes I do and the effort was milquetoast. There were no terrorists in Iraq period. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan early on and stayed there instead of reducing our effort so they could go after Saddam Hussein.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

 

[nuhuh]

Please. Bush lied about WMD, he lied about the aluminum tubes, Colin Powell lied before the U.N. Cheney was on "Meet the Press" saying they had reconstituted nuclear weapons, a month before the vote the threat level went to orange and stayed there, in March of 03 Hans Blix testified that there was no mobile lab, El Baradei of the IAEA testified that after a three month search they found no evidence of nuclear activity yet here they were week after week denying it on national TV.
The AUMF I sourced says the terrorists that caused 9/11. Those people were in Afghanistan, no where near where they attacked.

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

 

[TooTall]

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

 

[nuhuh]

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.


Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

Those are your words sport, I'm keeping it to historical facts which you are more than welcome to debunk, you might learn something in the process.

 

[kaz]

Bush and Powell quoted information they got from the intelligence community. They fact that it was bad info doesn't mean they lied.

If you insist that Bush lied, you will certainly agree that these three leading Demcrats lied as well:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.

An August 2006 report prepared at the direction of Rep. John Conyers, Jr. found that “members of the Bush Administration misstated, overstated, and manipulated intelligence with regards to linkages between Iraq and Al Qaeda; the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq; the acquisition of aluminum tubes to be used as uranium centrifuges; and the acquisition of uranium from Niger.” The report also noted that “eyond making false and misleading statements about Iraq’s attempt to acquire nuclear weapons, the record shows the Bush Administration must have known these statements conflicted with known international and domestic intelligence at the time.” Finding that the administration had also misstated or overstated intelligence information regarding chemical and biological weapons, the report concluded that “these misstatements were in contradiction of known countervailing intelligence information, and were the result of political pressure and manipulation.” In short, the Bush gang misrepresented the WMD threat to justify its planned invasion of Iraq.

Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Um, you understand we invaded Afghanistan FIRST and THEN invaded Iraq, right?

Yes I do and the effort was milquetoast. There were no terrorists in Iraq period. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan early on and stayed there instead of reducing our effort so they could go after Saddam Hussein.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

You mean like Jimmy Carter with Arafat, Bill Clinton with Aristide and Obama and Castro?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Either Hillary or Biden will easily defeat whoever emerges from the GOP clown car

Hillary will have a tough time campaigning from a prison cell.
Biden has already lost twice trying to run.
The GOP has a stable of vetted competent candidates with real accomplishments.
The Democrats have old white rich people pretending to be things they're not.

Republicans have been trumping up bogus charges against Hillary for 25 years

What makes you think the latest conspiracy theories will do any better?

She has admitted to many of them, genius. The only thing bogus are your excuses for her.

Why don't you tell us about Vince Foster?

Why dont you tell us about:
Whitewater
Billing records of Rose Law Firm
Cattle futures
Email servers
Payoffs from foreign governemnts
Favors to Swiss Banks
And the rest of it.

You've said the same thing for 8 years despite abundant evidence it is false.
Is this because you are stupid?

I helped you answer your own allegations.

 

[TooTall]

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

Those are your words sport, I'm keeping it to historical facts which you are more than welcome to debunk, you might learn something in the process.

There is no possibility of me learning anything from a liar like you. Here is what a lie looks like. 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'.
Now show me the LIE that Bush told to invade Iraq.

Now, answer the question I asked and the quotes I posted were not my words.

 

[kaz]

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

Those are your words sport, I'm keeping it to historical facts which you are more than welcome to debunk, you might learn something in the process.

I think he gets it fine. No, when Republicans and Democrats are the same, you are not going to call them both out, you are only going to call out the Republicans

 

[nuhuh]

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

Those are your words sport, I'm keeping it to historical facts which you are more than welcome to debunk, you might learn something in the process.

There is no possibility of me learning anything from a liar like you. Here is what a lie looks like. 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'.
Now show me the LIE that Bush told to invade Iraq.

Now, answer the question I asked and the quotes I posted were not my words.

Here's 935 lies spewed by the top 7 administration officials over a two year period. 935 times you fell for the fraud, 935 times you sucked up to blatant deception which causes thousands of American soldiers to die needlessly and all you can drool is Obama's lies.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.Read the ugly truth at the link: False pretenses Center for Public Integrity

 

[BlindBoo]

Sure. Bad info is bad info and George Tenet got the Medal of Freedom for it.


Commonly known as "a day late and a dollar short" it was still instructive as to the real agenda by the administration.

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes I do and the effort was milquetoast. There were no terrorists in Iraq period. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan early on and stayed there instead of reducing our effort so they could go after Saddam Hussein.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

You mean like Jimmy Carter with Arafat, Bill Clinton with Aristide and Obama and Castro?

No, not like that at all. The Raygun administration was supplying Iraq with spare parts for their Russian made weapons.

 

[kaz]

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

You mean like Jimmy Carter with Arafat, Bill Clinton with Aristide and Obama and Castro?

No, not like that at all. The Raygun administration was supplying Iraq with spare parts for their Russian made weapons.

OK, we didn't want Iran or Iraq to win. And what do you you learn from that, grasshopper?

 

[BlindBoo]

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

You mean like Jimmy Carter with Arafat, Bill Clinton with Aristide and Obama and Castro?

No, not like that at all. The Raygun administration was supplying Iraq with spare parts for their Russian made weapons.

OK, we didn't want Iran or Iraq to win. And what do you you learn from that, grasshopper?

That you swallowed the revisionist line.

They were hoping for a popular revolt in Iran when they started losing due to lack of spare parts for their US supplied military. Vietnam supplied them. After that they didn't want Iraq to lose, which is why they turned a blind eye to Saddams' use of chemical weapons.

 

[TooTall]

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

Yes, Tenet was grossly incompetent and on the same level as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ridge. I also know you're not naive enough to know that the president is consulted on votes and often calls party leaders to consult on strategy. Bush was a fool and lied us into war that isn't a supposition any longer it is a blaring fact and is the most damning thing any person can say about eight years of Bush.

Once again, are you prepared to call Clinton and Kerry and several dozen other leading Democrat liars as well as Bush?

Those are your words sport, I'm keeping it to historical facts which you are more than welcome to debunk, you might learn something in the process.

There is no possibility of me learning anything from a liar like you. Here is what a lie looks like. 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'.
Now show me the LIE that Bush told to invade Iraq.

Now, answer the question I asked and the quotes I posted were not my words.

Here's 935 lies spewed by the top 7 administration officials over a two year period. 935 times you fell for the fraud, 935 times you sucked up to blatant deception which causes thousands of American soldiers to die needlessly and all you can drool is Obama's lies.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.Read the ugly truth at the link: False pretenses Center for Public Integrity

I counted 3 or 4 in your link. Here are a few more LIARS that you may want to discuss.

On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

False pretenses Center for Public Integrity

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year."

False pretenses Center for Public Integrity

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information.

False pretenses Center for Public Integrity

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

CPI has been characterized as a "liberal group" by a Los Angeles Times 1996 news story and a 1996 New York Times editorial. Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a progressive media watchdog, has described CPI as "progressive."

 

[nuhuh]

If the leaders of the administration are spewing lies in a conspiracy, why would you use examples of those who fell for the lies as the problem? Further, how does being labeled as "progressive" somehow discredit its accuracy in reporting? CPI is a non profit and was awarded its first Pulitzer last year for its reporting.

 

[The Rabbi]

Tenet was a Clinton appointee that Bush didn't replace. And just exactly what did you expect John Conyers to find? Did he comment on Hillary's and Kerry's statements? They,along with the majority in Congress voted for the Iraq war.

Tenet was a dangerous fool and that is the best way to classify him. John Conyers found the truth and it's too bad that it took 3 years to uncover it. The majority of Congress voted for the AUMF because W ran the vote three weeks before the election, so Democrats who voted against the measure knew Bush was going to war regardless and they would be seen by voters as unpatriotic and unsupportive of American soldiers, regardless of how the war turned out they would appear weak and wrong.

Bill Clinton appointed a dangerous fool? How many other fools did he appoint? I posted quotes from three leading Democrats and could post a few dozen more, but you would still rely on what Democrat Conyers made up after the fact by rewriting history. In case you missed it, Bush didn't schedule votes in the Congress, the House and Senate leaders do that. You might as well understand that the same Democrats that were for it before they were against it didn't mind being unpatriotic and unsupportive of the troops a few years later while they were engaged in battle and taking casualties. Bush was not like Clinton and Obama who have both gone to war several times without consulting or getting permission from Congress.

You are so full of shit. Saddam was a terrorist and he armed and funded terrorists

How many billions did Saint Raygun give him? Not to mention all the goodies Saddam was able to buy after the saint took Iraq off the list of Nations who Supported terrorist. Birds of a feather I guess, Ronnie armed and funded terrorist too.

How The United States Illegally Armed Saddam Hussein

Reagan supported Iraq in their war against Iran. He didn't much care for Iran after they ransacked the US Embassy under Carter and held Americans hostage for over a year. The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend applies, but I don't expect you to understand that.

You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.




or even better

You mean like Jimmy Carter with Arafat, Bill Clinton with Aristide and Obama and Castro?

No, not like that at all. The Raygun administration was supplying Iraq with spare parts for their Russian made weapons.

Where does America get spare parts for Russian-made weapons?
You got a link to that anywhere?
Recall the two sides were fighting each other and the best outcome was for both of them to exhaust themsleves in futile slaughter.

 

[TooTall]

If the leaders of the administration are spewing lies in a conspiracy, why would you use examples of those who fell for the lies as the problem? Further, how does being labeled as "progressive" somehow discredit its accuracy in reporting? CPI is a non profit and was awarded its first Pulitzer last year for its reporting.

The Democrat leaders were relying on US, British and other free world intelligence agencies. Were all of these people lying, stupid or were they repeating what they were briefed on as reliable information. Obama got a Nobel Peace prize and then proceeded to bomb 5 or 6 different countries. The elite that award Nobel and Pulitzer prizes are looking out for other elitists.