Carl in Michigan
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I absolutely do. Without a governor, Man becomes very evil very quickly. We are watching it play out in this country today
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How do you know they are "good.". Are we good? We tolerate the MURDER of 60 MILLION babies in this country. Anyone who actually DOES anything is killed.Disagree.
For the evil to exist in NK, China, Cuba, Venezuela, etcetera to exist, the good people -who easily outnumber the commies 20-1- have to sit on their hands and allow themselves to be cowed.
.I don't believe all humans are evil, but do believe we are each capable of evil.
.How do you know they are "good.". Are we good? We tolerate the MURDER of 60 MILLION babies in this country. Anyone who actually DOES anything is killed.
The German population KNEW what was going on and did nothing.
When Abraham challenged God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if there were 5 righteous, God said He would. There were not 5 righteous
Thats what she is sayingI don't believe all humans are evil, but do believe we are each capable of evil.
Remember a little quote about the triumph of evil?How do you know they are "good.". Are we good? We tolerate the MURDER of 60 MILLION babies in this country. Anyone who actually DOES anything is killed.
The German population KNEW what was going on and did nothing.
When Abraham challenged God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if there were 5 righteous, God said He would. There were not 5 righteous
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I had the same moral guidance as my siblings. Why did three of us turn out okay, moral and generous and five of my siblings turned out evil? I do know that one of my siblings attempted to sell his soul to the devil. The devil didn't like his terms.
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I believe man is naturally good. Children can be stubborn and willful but they generally want to please their parents and, when they are older, their peers. By definition parents are good since they are the role models for young children so if a child learns, what other would is 'evil' it is often what they are told not what they naturally are. Sure, some are sociopaths but those are very uncommon.I absolutely do. Without a governor, Man becomes very evil very quickly. We are watching it play out in this country today
Atheists generally believe (always believe actually) THEY are good apart from God, but what they don't see is they still carry the remnants of their Christian culture) heritage.There's clearly some confusion on this thread, some people are saying they disagree with her, but I think that's because they're thinking of the word "good" in terms of a worldy standard. If one looks at things through that lens, (human standard) then it's understandable that they think that most people are "good."
But the true standard and the only one that ultimately matters is God's... and God's standard is perfection.
I agree with her, but I think she's leaving out something important.
Yes, she's right that humans are not naturally good, but we do have a conscience, so we have some understanding of right and wrong. So as humans we have two things within us: our fallen human nature (not good) and our conscience (good.) Those two things are often in conflict with each other.
The problem is that many people let their human nature "win" out over their conscience, and they do things they know are wrong, and they do the very things they would never want done to themselves. (lie, cheat, be unkind, etc)
I've mentioned this before, but I think anyone who's interested in this topic should read the book Mere Christianity, by C.S Lewis. Don't let the title fool you, it's an excellent book, and he explains all of this so well.
We all have free will, so it's up to each of us to decide how we want to live....according to our selfish base desires, or by the higher part of ourselves that is God's law imprinted on our hearts. (Romans 2:15)
Unfortunately, it's possible to damage one's conscience, to the point where it's barely even there anymore. I think that's what happens with sociopaths or psychopaths, they no longer have a functioning conscience, and when that happens, anything goes. (I'm sure there's more to it than that, but that's at least part of it.)
I know what the atheists and agnostics are going to say in response to this, btw. We'll see if I'm right about that.
Jesus Thought He Was Talking About HimselfAnd Jesus said, "there is NONE GOOD, EXCEPT YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.". I believe Jesus.
Sorry, no. You're not much of a "sage," are youJesus Thought He Was Talking About Himself