CDZ Do we and should we punish animal owners for the actions of thier pets

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    Typically I am all for letting people do whatever until they in effect hang themselves. If laws were up to me I'd let folks own a gun drink or smoke dope until they get in trouble doing so and would then take away their dope card and punish them severely.

    If someone's dog gets loose and in effect commits assault or homicide what ARE and what SHOULD be the punishment?

    I'm thinking the owner should be punished as if they committed the crime themselves.
     
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    Granny says if anybody's dog takes a bite outta her behind...

    ... she gonna take a bite outta dey's behind...

    ... after she shoots the dog.
     
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    Pets (read: dogs) are supposed to be enclosed or on a leash within the city limits.

    When they are not it is a violation of a city ordinance.

    Outside of the cities they are normally allowed to run free unless a park is posted for "no dogs" etc.

    Your mistake was not being armed. That's not the dog owner's fault unless it was within the city limits.
     
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    I would not wait for the dog to bite.

    I would shoot in front of it into the dirt.

    If that does not scare the dog (or bear) away then I will shoot it inside of it's mouth to have proof from the bullet wound that the dog was being aggressive by showing its fangs.
     
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    Good luck with that one...

    ... I shot a dog on the top of the head...

    ... he was so close, I would have shot my toe off had I missed...

    ... the owner was cited by animal control for letting the dog run loose...

    ... it had previously killed a neighbor's dog...

    ... and attacked another neighbor's kid...

    ... didn't stop the owner from swearing out a warrant for shooting the dog.
     
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    That reminds me of a case where a woman who owned a large dog actually gave the dog the order to "kill" at one of two neighbors she had. She was criminally charged and went to prison. Many years ago.
     
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    It is only a crime if the owner unlawfully possess an animal or knowingly allows it to injure someone. However, the owner may be civilly liable if he knows of an animals dangerous propensity and does not take action to protect others (one bite rule). In the case of dangerous animals (e.g., predators or poisonous snakes) the owner may be held strictly liable for any injuries they cause.

    One way to hold dog owners more responsible would be to define certain breeds (e.g., pit bulls) as dangerous animals, thus making the owners strictly liable for any injury they cause.
     
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    Owner should be punished

    Not dog.
     
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    On the surface, yes. However... much of it depends.
    Say for instance cattle wanders beyond the territory?

    What happens then?

    In one sense, the cattle moves out of a property line and is therefore abdicated?
    Well the cattle owner in question may certainly disagree....

    Very interesting question by the way OP!

    So if one's cattle is led astray....
    Does the circumstance of the wander come into play?
    Lets say the cattle were led by said neighbor?
    does that change things?
     
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    We're responsible for our dogs.

    That said - shit happens. Dogs can scale fences. I, as the owner, am responsible. Doesn't mean the dog has to die unless it's a clear danger.
     
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