Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes?

[Skull Pilot]

They pay the vast majority of them.

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

You do realize that you get your information from liars, don't you. Also, do you pay taxes? If you said yes, I say BULLSHEIT! At least you don't pay what you think you pay. I know. Because if you were anything like me, every paycheck had taxes removed from it. But in the new year after you filed your tax returns, you got most of it back.

So for the most part, what you call taxes were nothing more than a temporary government loan. In fact, you were probably glad about it. Because instead of trying to save money, you got a nice fat tax return. To buy something you normally wouldn't have been able to afford. Am I right or am I wrong. Also, I will include a graph that shows the tax burden for state taxes by income level. See how your "top 20% paying 84%" fits into that.

That graph says "State Residents" but you don't say what state and besides we are talking about federal taxes

I guess it is an average of all states. Also, if state taxes are that way, it is a good bet that federal taxes mirror them.

you guess?

I think it's a chart of a single state therefore irrelevant

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bill gated made about $1,380,000 per hour.

How'd he do that? Any specifics?

Well he was the CEO of microsoft, wasn't he?

He was. You think his salary was $1.38 million an hour?

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it. From what I remember, he made about $141.00 a second.

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it.

You KNOW that was his salary?
LOL!

Find an annual statement to back up your claim, or I'll continue to mock your ignorance.

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

 

[rightwinger]

Well he was the CEO of microsoft, wasn't he?

He was. You think his salary was $1.38 million an hour?

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it. From what I remember, he made about $141.00 a second.

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it.

You KNOW that was his salary?
LOL!

Find an annual statement to back up your claim, or I'll continue to mock your ignorance.

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

 

[Skull Pilot]

He was. You think his salary was $1.38 million an hour?

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it. From what I remember, he made about $141.00 a second.

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it.

You KNOW that was his salary?
LOL!

Find an annual statement to back up your claim, or I'll continue to mock your ignorance.

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

 

[rightwinger]

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it. From what I remember, he made about $141.00 a second.

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it.

You KNOW that was his salary?
LOL!

Find an annual statement to back up your claim, or I'll continue to mock your ignorance.

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't "think" it. I KNOW it.

You KNOW that was his salary?
LOL!

Find an annual statement to back up your claim, or I'll continue to mock your ignorance.

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

And I ask again what does that have to to with this message board ?

 

[rightwinger]

You don't need to believe me. But if you are really interested, look it up yourself. Tell me if you find anything that says differently. If you dare.

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

And I ask again what does that have to to with this message board ?

It is a new paradigm for our nation my friend
The old values of truth, justice and integrity no longer apply

The Electoral College has decided

 

[Skull Pilot]

it's up to you to prove your statements nit anyone else

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

And I ask again what does that have to to with this message board ?

It is a new paradigm for our nation my friend
The old values of truth, justice and integrity no longer apply

The Electoral College has decided

It must be nice to have integrity that shifts with the political winds

I wouldn't know but you certainly seem to embrace it.

 

[danielpalos]

*Looks at IRS data*

Yes, the top 10% pay over 80% of taxes.

How much did Mr. Trump pay in personal income taxes?

Before or after adjustments?

lol. Net.

 

[danielpalos]

420 billion is not much on a $20 trillion debt

We have close to a $20 trillion GDP......call it the cost of doing business

There is a lot we could do with 420 billion dollars. Rather than just flush it down the toilet. For example, that would pay for about 21 U.S.-mexico border walls.

Border walls?

We could also buy 40 million miniature golf courses for the money.

I don't think that playing miniature golf with decapitated mexican heads would work very well. But I would love to try!

Just more, "right wing fantasy"?

Flushing 420 billion dollars down the toilet every year is no fantasy. And if you didn't use that kind of money to build around 21 U.S.-mexico border walls, but instead use it to build 40 million miniature golf courses, wouldn't it be a good idea to use those miniature golf courses in a way that would act as well as a U.S.-mexico border wall?

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics or the law. We have the largest economy in the world, even with illegal immigration. And, Mexico is our third largest trading partner. That suggests, the problem is not immigration.

Why not end the drug war, if y'all wan to be, fiscally responsible.

 

[rightwinger]

Hardly......in a Trumpian Democracy, it is up to the denier to provide the proof

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

And I ask again what does that have to to with this message board ?

It is a new paradigm for our nation my friend
The old values of truth, justice and integrity no longer apply

The Electoral College has decided

It must be nice to have integrity that shifts with the political winds

I wouldn't know but you certainly seem to embrace it.

Don't blame me
I didn't vote for the asshole

 

[danielpalos]

And the less money you make, a higher percentage of your income goes towards paying taxes.

This is also NOT TRUE... 40% of income earners pay NO taxes whatsoever on income. The lowest income earners generally get an EIC which gives them more in refunds than they paid in taxes. But what all of these composited graphs do is they factor in sales taxes, gasoline taxes, school taxes, etc. That's going to skew the information wildly, but that's what propagandists do.

Income taxes only is special pleading.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when is this message board a Trumpian democracy?

We now live in a Trumpian Nation
The electoral college has decided it

And I ask again what does that have to to with this message board ?

It is a new paradigm for our nation my friend
The old values of truth, justice and integrity no longer apply

The Electoral College has decided

It must be nice to have integrity that shifts with the political winds

I wouldn't know but you certainly seem to embrace it.

Don't blame me
I didn't vote for the asshole

But you have no problem with shifting integrity

I don't care who is resident it doesn't change my integrity like it does yours.

 

[danielpalos]

Next, you bring up another way in which the poor pay more. Say a poor person who only makes $10,000 a year bought a pair of jeans. Let's say the sales tax was $2.00. What percentage of his yearly income would that be. Now what if somebody made $100,000 a year and bought the same pair of jeans. Which he too paid $2.00 in sales tax. What percentage of his yearly income would that be. And to that you can add gas, insurance, paper towels, postage stamps or any of the zillions of other things that somebody buys. Like it or not, when it comes to the percentage of their income, the poor pay more.

But EVERYBODY has to pay those. Hey look... Bill Gates can buy a $100k car to haul groceries in... I'd have to LIVE in such a car! Rich people can buy more than poor people can... not a lot we can do about that unless we take everyone's wealth like they do in North Korea.

This is called "Class Warfare" and it's the tool of Socialist Marxists. It is fully intended to play on your envy and jealousy of others who have more than you. It worked beautifully across Europe and Asia where people are born into their class and that's where they live their whole life because that's how things are. But in THIS country, you are perfectly FREE to achieve ANY class you desire and millions of people have.

Nobody is against the wealthy having more. Especially if they earned it. And not have it fall into their lap like a modern day titled aristocrat. And the class warfare isn't a Marxist tool. Chimpanzees and many other creatures do the same sort of thing.

Also, I remember seeing something on 60 Minutes where they would take children and set them at a table with a four sectioned checkerboard type of thing in front of them. On the section near them on the left, there were a few things that the child would value. Across from it, there was nothing. On the right near them, there were more of the things the child would value. Across from it there were a few of the things a child would value. The children were told that whatever section near them that they chose, some other child would get what was across from it. The vast majority of the children chose the fewer items. As long as it meant that some other child would receive nothing at all. I guess it is a built in sort of status thing.

They did something else where they would bring children is a room to take a small test. They were also given a sheet that was placed face down on a desk with the answers on it. Which they were told to not look at. Half of the desks were those small kind that had a little table attached to it. The other half of the desks were large, nice desks. I don't think any of the children seated at the small desks cheated and looked at the answers. But a good number, maybe even most seated at the large desks did. What all this is getting at is that for the wealthy, there is no such thing as too much.

If you want to see the things I mentioned, I think they can all be found by looking up the episode of 60 minutes called "Bigoted Babies."

Thanks for the comparison of Marxist philosophy with the thinking of chimps and children... apropos indeed! Well done sir!

Again... Go study how Marxism became popular. You will find that it was promoted to the masses across Europe and Asia using the same exact "Class Warfare" tactics we see today from the progressive left. Whenever you have people who feel hopeless, like they can't escape the class they are in... the idea of Marxism is appealing. The thing is, the American Dream has never been hopeless... our free market capitalist free enterprise system churns out more millionaires and billionaires than anything man has ever created. You're not confined to your class in this country. That's how you can go, literally, from being a sexually-molested black girl living in a tar-paper shack in Mississippi to the wealthiest woman in America... ask Oprah Winfrey.

You know who inspired me more than anyone in my life? A Cuban immigrant who I worked for as a teen. He could barely speak English, he never graduated high school. He came to America with the shirt on his back and $2. He built one of the most successful and popular Italian food chains in the South... it took him about 17 years. I looked at him and thought, if he can do it, anyone can do it!

Dude; it is the right wing that claims being poor is an Individual problem and not one created via the Institution of Public Policy. That is nothing but, "class warfare".

 

[danielpalos]

You do realize that you get your information from liars, don't you. Also, do you pay taxes? If you said yes, I say BULLSHEIT! At least you don't pay what you think you pay. I know. Because if you were anything like me, every paycheck had taxes removed from it. But in the new year after you filed your tax returns, you got most of it back.

So for the most part, what you call taxes were nothing more than a temporary government loan. In fact, you were probably glad about it. Because instead of trying to save money, you got a nice fat tax return. To buy something you normally wouldn't have been able to afford. Am I right or am I wrong. Also, I will include a graph that shows the tax burden for state taxes by income level. See how your "top 20% paying 84%" fits into that.

That graph says "State Residents" but you don't say what state and besides we are talking about federal taxes

I guess it is an average of all states. Also, if state taxes are that way, it is a good bet that federal taxes mirror them.

you guess?

I think it's a chart of a single state therefore irrelevant

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

How do federal taxes vary from State to State?

 

[Skull Pilot]

That graph says "State Residents" but you don't say what state and besides we are talking about federal taxes

I guess it is an average of all states. Also, if state taxes are that way, it is a good bet that federal taxes mirror them.

you guess?

I think it's a chart of a single state therefore irrelevant

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

How do federal taxes vary from State to State?

Do you really think the federal income tax form is different from state to state?
Does the federal gas tax vary from state to state?

 

[danielpalos]

I guess it is an average of all states. Also, if state taxes are that way, it is a good bet that federal taxes mirror them.

you guess?

I think it's a chart of a single state therefore irrelevant

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

How do federal taxes vary from State to State?

Do you really think the federal income tax form is different from state to state?
Does the federal gas tax vary from state to state?

you seem to imply it. are you declaiming that ambiguity, now and forever?

 

[Skull Pilot]

you guess?

I think it's a chart of a single state therefore irrelevant

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

How do federal taxes vary from State to State?

Do you really think the federal income tax form is different from state to state?
Does the federal gas tax vary from state to state?

you seem to imply it. are you declaiming that ambiguity, now and forever?

I implied no such thing.

You, however, did wrongly infer that I had.

 

[danielpalos]

What you "think" doesn't stand for a whole lot. I was able to get this "spam" graph from somebody named cultsmasher. It shoes what percentage of income is taxed in a number of states. It comes from a website called "Who Pays? 5th Edition - ITEP."

and that has nothing to do with federal taxes

talking about state taxes is ridiculous since this is a national forum and taxes vary too much from state to state

How do federal taxes vary from State to State?

Do you really think the federal income tax form is different from state to state?
Does the federal gas tax vary from state to state?

you seem to imply it. are you declaiming that ambiguity, now and forever?

I implied no such thing.

You, however, did wrongly infer that I had.

Thank you for declaiming that ambiguity, now and forever.

 

[maxo]

Who are you to say who is poor or not. Either you make $10,000 a year or you don't. End of story.

Again... $10k is not a measure of my wealth, it's just an income for the year. I may be a billionaire for all you know. The fact that I only made $10k in income doesn't tell you anything about my wealth.

It is a measure of wealth if you earn a weekly income and at the end of the year all those weekly checks added up to $10,000. Am I leaving out what the tooth fairy may have left under the pillow?

It's certainly NOT a measure of wealth... it's a measure of income earned for the year. It has nothing to do with your wealth. Why is this not computing in your brain? If all my checks add up to $10k for the year... AND.... I also have $50 billion in the bank.... am I poor or rich? So how are my checks a measure of my wealth?

Now you're just being stupid. (er?) If you had 50 billion in the bank, why in the hell would you be working some job that only paid $10,000 a year. As far as that goes, if you had 50 billion in a bank, why in the hell would you be working some job that paid $100,000 a year.