did the Romans really learn us how to build roads?

[irosie91]

my understanding is that the romans made some contributions to the
development of concrete. They, by no means, 'invented" the idea of
reinforced building materials----- the idea evolved over millennia

They developed a hydraulic concrete that could be used underwater, for their ports, and refined other types. They were excellent organizers and at engineering and copying others designs and tweaking them as need arose. Their first run-ins with the Carthaginians resulted in their become good shipbuilders almost overnight and building a large navy in a short time. Romans were defeated many times, but they were tenacious bulldogs and learned from mistakes quickly. They went into decline when their birthrates in the 'home regions' fell off, their economy became based on buying luxury imports for the wealthy and hemorrhaged, and they had to rely more and more on 'barbarian' mercenaries, a familiar pattern historically, not just for Rome.

yes---the ROMANS DID adopt the technology of the peoples they conqured and
enslaved------
As actual INNOVATORS----nope---not much-----they built an empire based on conquest and chattel slavery and barbarism-------and developed the legal code that
their true son ADOLF HITLER aped
----every society is right now and then---
the US slave system of the southern cotton industry -----SPAWNED THE COTTON
GIN<<<< a very important innovation. The US slave system also spawned the
Civil War and its filth still infiltrates all of USA society and-----to some extent----THE
WORLD

 

[Skull Pilot]

can accept that the Romans maybe ARRANGED for some roads to be built, but to say that we NEEDED the Romans to TEACH us how to build them straight, is really proposterous IMO. I mean, how hard can it BE to build a straight road ffs!!!???

I dont buy into that bullshit about what the bleedin Romans did for us.
Them Romans were nothing but parasites who took advantage of a peaceful bunch of people. They were no cleverer than anyone else, they were just more corrupted than the rest.

Who says we needed the Romans to teach us? They didn't invent them. In fact, I cannot think of anything they invented. They put ditches on the sides so the roads weren't flooded out and they built, often, on already existing paths. Their main objective was being able to transport goods and the military in the fasted way possible.

And.....many of those people's weren't all love, peace and chicken grease.

You might want to read some Roman history. Rome was the greatest empire, and the US is designed after the roman empire.

And we're going crash and burn the same way

Most likely, will it be a inward crash or from another global power. I think inward.

We will be the architects of our own doom

 

[irosie91]

The romans "learned us" to "MAKE OFFERS THAT CANNOT BE REFUSED"---to be precise------the skill first developed in the southern parts of the home of Rome---
tp wit ITALY----during the moosrish invasion of that area

 

[Disir]

No. I think that was Sparta.

 

[irosie91]

No. I think that was Sparta.

WHAT do you "think" was Sparta?

 

[Disir]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

 

[westwall]

can accept that the Romans maybe ARRANGED for some roads to be built, but to say that we NEEDED the Romans to TEACH us how to build them straight, is really proposterous IMO. I mean, how hard can it BE to build a straight road ffs!!!???

I dont buy into that bullshit about what the bleedin Romans did for us.
Them Romans were nothing but parasites who took advantage of a peaceful bunch of people. They were no cleverer than anyone else, they were just more corrupted than the rest.

All I have to say is this.....

 

[irosie91]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

 

[Disir]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

 

[irosie91]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

 

[Unkotare]

can accept that the Romans maybe ARRANGED for some roads to be built, but to say that we NEEDED the Romans to TEACH us how to build them straight, is really proposterous IMO. I mean, how hard can it BE to build a straight road ffs!!!???

I dont buy into that bullshit about what the bleedin Romans did for us.
Them Romans were nothing but parasites who took advantage of a peaceful bunch of people. They were no cleverer than anyone else, they were just more corrupted than the rest.

Which peaceful people are you talking about??

I have no precise idea, but i assume i meant northern European types. I can correlate that i meant this, by looking at the gentle nature of them today.

I mean they are socially mean but dislike conflict.

Europeans?! Bad joke.

 

[Disir]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

Cite your source. Mafia as a word does not an invention make.

 

[irosie91]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

Cite your source. Mafia as a word does not an invention make.

google the history of BLACK HAND----in sicily. For the use of the term 'OFFER THAT CANNOT BE REFUSED" ask Francis Ford Coppola

 

[Disir]

Make offers that cannot be refused.

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

Cite your source. Mafia as a word does not an invention make.

google the history of BLACK HAND----in sicily. For the use of the term 'OFFER THAT CANNOT BE REFUSED" ask Francis Ford Coppola

Cite your source.

Extortion, gambling, kidnapping, prostitution and drug rings and "offers that cannot be refused" existed prior to the Moors in Sicily.

 

[irosie91]

nope ----Moorish occupied Sicily invented the idea

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

Cite your source. Mafia as a word does not an invention make.

google the history of BLACK HAND----in sicily. For the use of the term 'OFFER THAT CANNOT BE REFUSED" ask Francis Ford Coppola

Cite your source.

I just cited----GOOGLE

 

[Disir]

I know they occupied Sicily but that concept existed prior to that time period.

the MAFIA-----the spawn of the "BLACK HAND" was invented in MOORISH OCCUPIED SICILY-----as a reaction TO MOORISH BARBARISM. does your
"concept" mean "offer that cannot be refused"? -------a kinda too broad to have
meaning kinda statement on your part.......

Cite your source. Mafia as a word does not an invention make.

google the history of BLACK HAND----in sicily. For the use of the term 'OFFER THAT CANNOT BE REFUSED" ask Francis Ford Coppola

Cite your source.

I just cited----GOOGLE

Just so we are clear. It means enough for you to argue but not enough to back up.

As a note, the Black Hand was famous in the States, allegedly out of Naples, but it started here. Louisiana and New York in the 1880s.

 

[Disir]

And while I am at it.............no, the US government is not based on Rome, the Roman Republic, the Roman empire.

 

[Disir]

The Black Hand that generated fear. The following articles are from 1905 and 1906:
EMPLOYE AND MONEY GONE.; Mouquins Lose Schultz and Some $1,000, but Will Not Press Prosecution.

Boston Evening Transcript - Google News Archive Search

ARMED PATROL ESTABLISHED.; Westchester's Sheriff Moves Against Black Hand Bandits.

JAIL FOR "BLACK HAND" AGENT; First Member of the Gang Sentenced Here Gets Prison Term.

Youngstown Vindicator - Google News Archive Search

Daily True American - Google News Archive Search

RATE LAW IS IN EFFECT; RAILROADS ASK GRACE; Commerce Commission Will Be Lenient with the Carriers. PLEDGE FROM PENNSYLVANIA Counsel Declares the Roads Will Not Oppose the Law -- Provisions of the Act.

A "BLACK HAND" HAUL.; Two Italians Arrested at Trenton, N.J., on a Blackmailing Charge.

 

[Picaro]

yes---the ROMANS DID adopt the technology of the peoples they conqured and
enslaved------

Actually they inherited a lot of it, from rulers who willed their kingdoms to them. All cultures enslaved people they conquered, and were doing so long before the Romans came along. They were pretty tame relative to many others in the area.

As actual INNOVATORS----nope---not much-----they built an empire based on conquest and chattel slavery and barbarism-------and developed the legal code that
their true son ADOLF HITLER aped
----every society is right now and then---
the US slave system of the southern cotton industry -----SPAWNED THE COTTON
GIN<<<< a very important innovation. The US slave system also spawned the
Civil War and its filth still infiltrates all of USA society and-----to some extent----THE
WORLD

A lot of drama, and inaccurate, but whatever rings your bell.

 

[Picaro]

The Black Hand that generated fear. The following articles are from 1905 and 1906:
EMPLOYE AND MONEY GONE.; Mouquins Lose Schultz and Some $1,000, but Will Not Press Prosecution.

Boston Evening Transcript - Google News Archive Search

ARMED PATROL ESTABLISHED.; Westchester's Sheriff Moves Against Black Hand Bandits.

JAIL FOR "BLACK HAND" AGENT; First Member of the Gang Sentenced Here Gets Prison Term.

Youngstown Vindicator - Google News Archive Search

Daily True American - Google News Archive Search

RATE LAW IS IN EFFECT; RAILROADS ASK GRACE; Commerce Commission Will Be Lenient with the Carriers. PLEDGE FROM PENNSYLVANIA Counsel Declares the Roads Will Not Oppose the Law -- Provisions of the Act.

A "BLACK HAND" HAUL.; Two Italians Arrested at Trenton, N.J., on a Blackmailing Charge.

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