Did Israel Steal Palestine from the Palestinian People?

[noonereal]

Israel was a nation three thousand years ago.

You might want to check your history book not your crack smoking Rabbi.

 

[noonereal]

Simply not true. The opposite is true.
The Jews welcomed Arabs into their country to live and work after they were given their homeland back. And made a public statement asking the Arabs NOT to leave.

Do you belive this shit? Honest. Do you?

Read up on the massacres Isreal inflicted on the Palestinians, just like they are doing today.
Stop posting crap.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[noonereal]

They expelled both good Palestinians. It was awful!

Yeah, Isreal has always enjoyed a good massacre... except when their is retaliation. Then the only ansewer is more massacres.

 

[AZrailwhale]

After WW2, the land that was given to the Jews, belonged to Great Britain. Less than 3% of the land was owned by Arabs, and that property was sold to the Jews. The Jews welcomed Arabs to work in peace in their country. Egypt told those Arabs to get out because Egypt was about to invade Israel. Israel asked them to stay. They did not. Egypt lost. And refused to let the Arabs into their country, so they squatted on Israel's border. Because they didn't qualify as refugees, that rule was overlooked to get them provisions. Since then they have been used by the Arab countries to be a constant thorn in Israel's side.

The “Palestinian“ mandate never belonged to the UK. It was given in trust by the League of Nations for the UK to administer until the entire thing was turned over to the Jews. The Ottoman territories in the Mid-East were split up among the Arabs with a small sliver being reserved for the Jews. The Jews got something like two percent of the Mid-East, the Arabs got the rest. Then the Brits decided to subdivide the already tiny nation to be of Israel into even smaller Arab and Jewish sectors that were intermixed and indefensible after the dissolution of the League of Nation and the creation of the United Nations. Then to make matters worse, the Brits armed and trained the Arabs while trying very hard to disarm the Jews. The Brits were no friends of Israel or Jews in general.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So by that logic, if the Arabs take back Palestine, and drive the Jews out, that would be okay, too, because there's no living in the past.





And? Very few Japanese were held accountable, either. The Allies all did horrible things. My late father, who served in World War II, told me a story of how they had to gun down French bandits who were raiding the supply trains during the march from Normandy to the Rhine.

Germany lost huge chunks of territory when it was expelled from Asclese-Lorraine, East Prussia, Silesia, and the Sudentenland.



Except that land is equally holy to Christians and Muslims. By that logic, we should declare all of Palestine an International Heritage Site.



Or the Jews can all go back to Europe where they came from.

But probably, eventually, some Islamic State will get nukes and the resulting exchange will end the world.

That’s what the UN tried to do when it created Israel. Jerusalem was to be a secular city open to all religions administered by the UN. The Arabs refused and invaded Israel the day it was created.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And why should they not want this?
Do you recall how they were forced off their land?

They weren’t forced off their land. The proto-Israelis did everything but beg them to stay and live in peace when the Grand Mufti called for them to leave so the invading Arab armies would have an easier time exterminating the Israelis. The Muslims who stayed are valued and equal Israeli citizens who serve in the government and military, the ones who left are the only generational “refugees” in history.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Israel did not exist and they lived on the land.Then the Jews "relocated" them to form their state.

No, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ”relocated” them in 1948.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So let me get this straight, because Germany did something bad, the Palestinians needed to be punished.

Um. Okay. So I say we take your house and give it to a deserving black family. True, you had nothing to do with slavery or Jim Crow, but you should be down with the good cause.

The “Palestinians” got the entire country of Jordan, it’s what, twenty times the size of Israel?

 

[Foxfyre]

Historically there has never been a "Land of Palestine" inhabited by a "Palestinian People"

Since the Israelites conquered the Canaanites in 3300 B.C. only Jews can claim ownership of Israel's lands. While other nations temporarily occupied Israel until 1948, there has always been a Jewish presence.

Palestine, the Nation that Never Existed

From the blog of Bob Ryan at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

The History of the Term "Palestine"; Has There Ever Been a Sovereign Arab State in Palestine? - Santa Fe Middle East Watch

Origins of the Name “Palestine” from: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palname.html Though the definite origins of the word “Palestine” have been debated for years and are still not known for sure, the name is believed to be derived from the Egyptian and Hebrew word peleshet. […]

www.sfmew.org

Large numbers of Jews have been driven out of Israel by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and lastly Emperor Titus of the Roman Empire. The land while claimed by the Jews has never been a 100% Jewish state and it isn't now. About 20% of the population of Israel is Arab 'Palestinians' who themselves or their parents/grandparents didn't get out of the way of the Arabs who twice tried to destroy the Jews and obliterate Israel. Those residing peacefully in Israel are given full Israeli citizenship and representation on the Knesset.

The Jewish state of Israel was created by the United Nations in 1948 to provide a homeland for Jewish people who had been uprooted and displaced by the genocidal Nazis in WWII and it was land controlled by the British at that time. The British willingly gave up their interest in the land for the humanitarian effort for the Jews to have a place to live in peace and govern themselves. Of course the Arabs attacked almost immediately once Israel was established but Israel has always prevailed and managed to defend their homeland.

They did not steal the land from the Palestinians.

 

[BS Filter]

You might want to check your history book not your crack smoking Rabbi.

I did check a history book. You better read one about Israel. Save your insults, child.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah, Isreal has always enjoyed a good massacre... except when their is retaliation. Then the only ansewer is more massacres.

Arabs keep starting wars, keep losing wars, keep whining that Israel is being mean.
Why are Arabs such whiny pussies?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The “Palestinians” got the entire country of Jordan, it’s what, twenty times the size of Israel?

4 times the size.

 

[cnm]

Israel was established in 1948. It immediately looked to expel and oppress the good Palestinian people.

Original Likud Party Platform​

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'between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.'​

 

[The Irish Ram]

The “Palestinian“ mandate never belonged to the UK. It was given in trust by the League of Nations for the UK to administer until the entire thing was turned over to the Jews. The Ottoman territories in the Mid-East were split up among the Arabs with a small sliver being reserved for the Jews. The Jews got something like two percent of the Mid-East, the Arabs got the rest. Then the Brits decided to subdivide the already tiny nation to be of Israel into even smaller Arab and Jewish sectors that were intermixed and indefensible after the dissolution of the League of Nation and the creation of the United Nations. Then to make matters worse, the Brits armed and trained the Arabs while trying very hard to disarm the Jews. The Brits were no friends of Israel or Jews.

The League of Nations was the precursor to the UN. They oversaw the transfer.

1948 British Mandate Survey:
71.2% owned by Great Britain
8.6% owned by Jews
3.3% owned by Arabs
16.9% owned by nonresident Arabs

From the Jewish Haifa Workers' Council 1948:
"We have lived together in our city, Haifa. Do not fear. Do not destroy your homes with your own hands. Do not bring upon yourselves tragedy by the unnecessary evacuation and self imposed burdens. But in this city, yours and ours, Haifa, the gates are open for work, for life, and for peace for you and your families."

The Arab National Committee April 27th, 1950:
"The removal of the Arab inhabitants was voluntary and was carried out at our request".

1960 King Hussein of Jordan:
"Since 1948 The Arab nations have used the refugees for political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say even criminal."

This problem for the Jews was created by Egypt, which has AMPLE land to relocate the Arabs that Egypt insisted destroy their homes in Israel (so the Jews wouldn't end up with them) and leave Israel, and then refused to let them into Egypt. If you want a two state solution, the two states should be Egypt and the people they screwed over.
That little sliver called Israel belongs to the Jews. Leave it alone.

 

[crossbody]

Large numbers of Jews have been driven out of Israel by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and lastly Emperor Titus of the Roman Empire. The land while claimed by the Jews has never been a 100% Jewish state and it isn't now. About 20% of the population of Israel is Arab 'Palestinians' who themselves or their parents/grandparents didn't get out of the way of the Arabs who twice tried to destroy the Jews and obliterate Israel. Those residing peacefully in Israel are given full Israeli citizenship and representation on the Knesset.

The Jewish state of Israel was created by the United Nations in 1948 to provide a homeland for Jewish people who had been uprooted and displaced by the genocidal Nazis in WWII and it was land controlled by the British at that time. The British willingly gave up their interest in the land for the humanitarian effort for the Jews to have a place to live in peace and govern themselves. Of course the Arabs attacked almost immediately once Israel was established but Israel has always prevailed and managed to defend their homeland.

They did not steal the land from the Palestinians.

God has something to say about that.

Genesis 10:
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

Exodus 13:
11 And it shall be when the Lord shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, as he sware unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee,

God gave all of that land to the children of Israel to this very day. That land was given to them by God way before 1948.

 

[irosie91]

God has something to say about that.

Genesis 10:
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

Exodus 13:
11 And it shall be when the Lord shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, as he sware unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee,

God gave all of that land to the children of Israel to this very day. That land was given to them by God way before 1948.

what would Jesus say?

 

[JoeB131]

That is what I would say, that that piece of land was the only land on earth that God deeded to a people. And only a fool would insist they give it away.
But to the victor go the spoils and the land that belonged to ancient Israel hadn't belonged to the Jews for a long time. Great Britain defeated the Ottomans and made it part of their Empire. It was desert, and worthless. God said that when He gathered His People back to their land, He would increase the rain and make it fruitful. Coincidentally, Israel exports millions of dollars worth of fruit today.

Notice the weeds and the broken tile and the state of disrepair in the picture of the Dome. It had no importance until Israel became a nation.

There is no God.

God didn't give them anything. That was the voices in their heads. We have medications for that now.

The problem with what the British did is that they wouldn't have been able to 'defeat' the Ottomans if the Arabs hadn't revolted against them on the promise that they would get independent countries after the war. Instead, the British carved their lands up with the French and tried to resettle the Jews of Europe there.

The fundamental lie of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land". This simply isn't true. There were people there.

 

[crossbody]

what would Jesus say?

Jesus shares the sentiments of the Father, always.

 

[JoeB131]

The “Palestinian“ mandate never belonged to the UK. It was given in trust by the League of Nations for the UK to administer until the entire thing was turned over to the Jews. The Ottoman territories in the Mid-East were split up among the Arabs with a small sliver being reserved for the Jews. The Jews got something like two percent of the Mid-East, the Arabs got the rest. Then the Brits decided to subdivide the already tiny nation to be of Israel into even smaller Arab and Jewish sectors that were intermixed and indefensible after the dissolution of the League of Nation and the creation of the United Nations. Then to make matters worse, the Brits armed and trained the Arabs while trying very hard to disarm the Jews. The Brits were no friends of Israel or Jews in general.

That’s what the UN tried to do when it created Israel. Jerusalem was to be a secular city open to all religions administered by the UN. The Arabs refused and invaded Israel the day it was created.

That's the problem, the UN had no business doing that. Just like if the UN decided, just to be fair, it was going to give Texas back to Mexico, we'd have some objections to that, too.

The “Palestinians” got the entire country of Jordan, it’s what, twenty times the size of Israel?

Nope, the Jordanians were given Jordan. The Palestinians should get Palestine, and the Zionists need to go back to Europe where they came from.

Or better yet, if the US is so keen on a "Jewish" state, we have PLENTY of empty space in this country. Let's give them Wyoming. It's five times bigger than Palestine. Almost no one lives there, and most of the people who do are "good Christians" who should be happy to give the Jews a homeland.


(Oh, by the way, Israel is only 22K Sq. Miles. Jordan is 89K Sq miles so it's only 4 times larger)

 

[surada]

Historically there has never been a "Land of Palestine" inhabited by a "Palestinian People"

Since the Israelites conquered the Canaanites in 3300 B.C. only Jews can claim ownership of Israel's lands. While other nations temporarily occupied Israel until 1948, there has always been a Jewish presence.

Palestine, the Nation that Never Existed

From the blog of Bob Ryan at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

The History of the Term "Palestine"; Has There Ever Been a Sovereign Arab State in Palestine? - Santa Fe Middle East Watch

Origins of the Name “Palestine” from: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palname.html Though the definite origins of the word “Palestine” have been debated for years and are still not known for sure, the name is believed to be derived from the Egyptian and Hebrew word peleshet. […]

www.sfmew.org

It's been called Syria -palestine since 500 BC.

Jews were a tiny minority from 150 AD until the 1930s.