Deport all illegals?

[Luddly Neddite]

The willful ignorance from the rabid RWs never ceases to amaze me.

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

strollingbones is correct however. Not all illegals are Mexican, brown or migrant/labor workers. We also hire high tech from other countries.

We currently have more than 5 millions jobs for which we do not have qualified Americans. The right is against education and the average person can no longer afford it. What do the RWs propose we do about that?

 

[imawhosure]

The willful ignorance from the rabid RWs never ceases to amaze me.

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

strollingbones is correct however. Not all illegals are Mexican, brown or migrant/labor workers. We also hire high tech from other countries.

We currently have more than 5 millions jobs for which we do not have qualified Americans. The right is against education and the average person can no longer afford it. What do the RWs propose we do about that?

So tell all of us keeper of the budget......which country in the world spends the most on education? And after you answer that one, answer question 2........which political party is in control of the education system.

As far as the illegals, it is absolutely ridiculous to discuss deportation, until we stiffen our back bone and stop more from coming in. Why pay to deport them, then allow them to walk back in?

When considering the jobs situation, let us look at it from a purely LIBERAL point of view. Do we want SCABS doing our jobs because their labor is CHEAPER? If not, then why do we want to allow illegals to do our jobs?

And as far as the REAL solution to deportation if ever we can get the rinos and libs to get on board...........simple really.........if you agree to leave, you get to take your stuff with you back. You have 90 days, and any owned real estate you can sell from that side. But, if you are arrested after 90 days of grace, all your stuff will be confiscated and sold. The government gets to keep the proceeds.

Bam, 50% of the problem leaves voluntarily because while nobody wants to give up free stuff, they want even less to give up stuff they actually paid for.

 

[imawhosure]

And I am flabbergasted at the illogical thought process of the left. Just listen to them........

1. Companies/corporations are greedy and screw the American worker. And then they say........

2. We can't deport illegal aliens because they do jobs Americans won't do.

Why won't Americans do them? Because they DON'T PAY ENOUGH because by liberal logic, the employers are GREEDY! So lets push the pay up and put Americans in those jobs, you bunch of illogical socialists!

If the employers didn't have ILLEGALS to hire, to get labor they would have to offer more. Isn't that econ 101, or didn't you ever attend an economic class in school?

Your debate points are totally 180 degrees out of phase, and you sit there smugly and try to convince everyone/anyone you are correct and have an economic leg to stand on!

A man will work for 10 bucks an hr digging a ditch to support his family in these Obama economic times, but he won't pick fruit for it? Who are you trying to kid, and who are you to say they won't? Have you ever asked the ditch diggers, or those who applied for ditch digging jobs? Your assumptions are so erroneous, they are laughable, and yet you make them part of your reasoning.

Of course, the employers would have to provide better working conditions for Americans, wouldn't they? So am I to assume by anyone wanting illegals to do this, that they are FOR substandard working conditions? Are they FOR substandard pay? Are they FOR abuse of ANY worker on American soil?

And here I thought I was talking to libs, lol. I see, I see. Once it doesn't fit your agenda, you are willing to turn a blind eye to those who actually need you.

SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU!

I ask thinking people from both sides of the political spectrum..........what is the difference if a company closes shop because of greed as the liberals accuse, and moves to another country; or a company imports people from another country who will work for less here to increase their profits? Either way, Americans LOSE their jobs, or surely have less opportunity to get one.

You can NOT scream and moan against one, but support the other, unless you are so steeped in being a liberal, that you can NOT see they are one in the same.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"which country in the world spends the most on education?"

Its not the US.

And now, I'm going to dinner.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And I am flabbergasted at the illogical thought process of the left. Just listen to them........

1. Companies/corporations are greedy and screw the American worker. And then they say........

2. We can't deport illegal aliens because they do jobs Americans won't do.

Why won't Americans do them? Because they DON'T PAY ENOUGH because by liberal logic, the employers are GREEDY! So lets push the pay up and put Americans in those jobs, you bunch of illogical socialists!

If the employers didn't have ILLEGALS to hire, to get labor they would have to offer more. Isn't that econ 101, or didn't you ever attend an economic class in school?

Your debate points are totally 180 degrees out of phase, and you sit there smugly and try to convince everyone/anyone you are correct and have an economic leg to stand on!

A man will work for 10 bucks an hr digging a ditch to support his family in these Obama economic times, but he won't pick fruit for it? Who are you trying to kid, and who are you to say they won't? Have you ever asked the ditch diggers, or those who applied for ditch digging jobs? Your assumptions are so erroneous, they are laughable, and yet you make them part of your reasoning.

Of course, the employers would have to provide better working conditions for Americans, wouldn't they? So am I to assume by anyone wanting illegals to do this, that they are FOR substandard working conditions? Are they FOR substandard pay? Are they FOR abuse of ANY worker on American soil?

And here I thought I was talking to libs, lol. I see, I see. Once it doesn't fit your agenda, you are willing to turn a blind eye to those who actually need you.

SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU!

I ask thinking people from both sides of the political spectrum..........what is the difference if a company closes shop because of greed as the liberals accuse, and moves to another country; or a company imports people from another country who will work for less here to increase their profits? Either way, Americans LOSE their jobs, or surely have less opportunity to get one.

You can NOT scream and moan against one, but support the other, unless you are so steeped in being a liberal, that you can NOT see they are one in the same.

Sure. Why not just let them all do what Walmart and others do?

Pay Americans shit and let the tax payer make up the rest.

I mean after all, the business should not have to pay the cost of doing business. That's what tax payers are for.

 

[Oldglory1]

The willful ignorance from the rabid RWs never ceases to amaze me.

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

strollingbones is correct however. Not all illegals are Mexican, brown or migrant/labor workers. We also hire high tech from other countries.

We currently have more than 5 millions jobs for which we do not have qualified Americans. The right is against education and the average person can no longer afford it. What do the RWs propose we do about that?

By migrants workers I assume you mean to pick crops? There is in place already unlimited H-2A visas for "legal" foreign crop pickers. So you were saying?

Please post a link proving that we have 5 million jobs that we don't have qualified workers for.....I'll wait. Please also post a link proving that the right is against education......I'll wait.

IT workers from India are "replacing" Americans on those jobs because the employers can pay them less. The same reason they hire illegal aliens. It is only to increase their profits. It's seems it is you who is willfully ignorant and want to blame conservatives for everything.

 

[xdangerousxdavex]

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

Hmm it has too little in common with slavery, immigrants are free to choose where to work, how to live their lives. And people aren't goods now, politicians are goods.

 

[BULLDOG]

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

Hmm it has too little in common with slavery, immigrants are free to choose where to work, how to live their lives. And people aren't goods now, politicians are goods.

I'm not so sure about that. I'm know most of them would love to choose a stable job with wages that would sustain them above poverty where they didn't have to do such hard work. However, they take what is available to them. When only jobs that have slave like conditions are available, it is very similar to slavery.

 

[Oldglory1]

Fact is, the US needs migrant workers. And some of you really need to look at the history of migrant workers in the US. Hint: its a modern form of slavery.

Hmm it has too little in common with slavery, immigrants are free to choose where to work, how to live their lives. And people aren't goods now, politicians are goods.

I'm not so sure about that. I'm know most of them would love to choose a stable job with wages that would sustain them above poverty where they didn't have to do such hard work. However, they take what is available to them. When only jobs that have slave like conditions are available, it is very similar to slavery.

Doing construction and landscaping jobs do not have slave like conditions. Yet illegal aliens have flooded both of those industries. Americans have been run off those jobs that used to pay a liveable wage.

 

[imawhosure]

"which country in the world spends the most on education?"

Its not the US.

And now, I'm going to dinner.

Oh geeze, from your cherry picked site we are only number 4. I wonder if we spent the same amount of tax dollars and had no illegals in there, how much that would rise per student!

Oh wait! Are you suggesting we should shortchange our kids and grandkids to invest in illegals? Yep, that sounds like something a lib would do.

 

[charwin95]

Deport 11.2 illegals is an interesting concept but realistically it's not going to happen.
1. The idea of deporting convicted felon ONLY is incorrect. We are deporting illegals every day convicted felon or not.
2. Which regards to foreign workers and as I mentioned in other post. The H1 program in its current format is an insult to highly trained American workers that discriminate against. It is the business owners that created and abuse these employee shortages. We have thousands and thousands of kids graduated with engineering and computer science majors from college each year. We have millions of unemployed Americans.
As a business owners I can guarantee we do not need H1 people that take over American jobs.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If the United States deported all its illegal immigrants at once, how long would the bus convoy be?


a) 18 miles b) 180 miles c) 1,800 miles

Answer at the link.


And -
How much would it cost?



The answer, researchers found, is quite a lot, both to taxpayers and the economy more broadly. Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. The impact on the economy would be even larger, according to the study: Real GDP would drop by nearly $1.6 trillion and the policy would shave 5.7 percent off economic growth.



As it is now, President Obama deports criminals and other illegals. If you want to know how mass deportation would effect you, look at what has happened in Alabama since 2011.

The Repub prez candidates are blowhards, saying they'll 'round 'em up and send 'em home' but its the taxpayers who would suffer.

What's the answer?

Did the math, over 45k per illegal to deport them. So why not offer them 20 grand to leave voluntarily?

 

[Alystyr]

IT workers from India are "replacing" Americans on those jobs because the employers can pay them less. The same reason they hire illegal aliens. It is only to increase their profits.

It isn't just the fact that they can get away with paying them less. Another reason is that it's much easier for a company to rid itself of a troublesome foreign worker than it is an American worker.

Having visa workers (and illegals, to an extent) gives companies an easily controllable, more compliant workforce. When an employer can hold the threat of a revoked visa (or possible deportation) over a foreign worker's head, that worker becomes very reluctant to complain about anything related to the job. Troublesome foreign workers are easily removed, with no threat of legal repercussions.

With an American worker, termination for just cause has to be shown, or some plausible situation fabricated, else the company could face financial and possible legal penalties.

I've witnessed it first-hand, having worked for a company that primarily employed L-1 and L-2 visa holders (80%+ foreign workers). Not a pleasurable experience.

 

[Oldglory1]

If the United States deported all its illegal immigrants at once, how long would the bus convoy be?


a) 18 miles b) 180 miles c) 1,800 miles

Answer at the link.


And -
How much would it cost?



The answer, researchers found, is quite a lot, both to taxpayers and the economy more broadly. Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. The impact on the economy would be even larger, according to the study: Real GDP would drop by nearly $1.6 trillion and the policy would shave 5.7 percent off economic growth.



As it is now, President Obama deports criminals and other illegals. If you want to know how mass deportation would effect you, look at what has happened in Alabama since 2011.

The Repub prez candidates are blowhards, saying they'll 'round 'em up and send 'em home' but its the taxpayers who would suffer.

What's the answer?

Did the math, over 45k per illegal to deport them. So why not offer them 20 grand to leave voluntarily?

We owe them nothing. Least of all paying them to leave on the taxpayer's money. Remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. Doesn't cost a dime.

 

[charwin95]

IT workers from India are "replacing" Americans on those jobs because the employers can pay them less. The same reason they hire illegal aliens. It is only to increase their profits.

It isn't just the fact that they can get away with paying them less. Another reason is that it's much easier for a company to rid itself of a troublesome foreign worker than it is an American worker.

Having visa workers (and illegals, to an extent) gives companies an easily controllable, more compliant workforce. When an employer can hold the threat of a revoked visa (or possible deportation) over a foreign worker's head, that worker becomes very reluctant to complain about anything related to the job. Troublesome foreign workers are easily removed, with no threat of legal repercussions.

With an American worker, termination for just cause has to be shown, or some plausible situation fabricated, else the company could face financial and possible legal penalties.

I've witnessed it first-hand, having worked for a company that primarily employed L-1 and L-2 visa holders (80%+ foreign workers). Not a pleasurable experience.

Mostly foreign workers like h1 are well behave because they are educated and this is the best opportunity of their lives.
Google SCE California employees replaced by H1 andPfizer to name a few. These are the few that made to the media but there are hundreds maybe thousands of companies that did not made to the nightly news. I only know 4 companies so far that involved with H1.
It is a devastating indeed and hard to see people get laid off because of cheaper labor. I am totally against H1 program because this is a direct threat to American lives.
I just hired total of 147 employees this year and we did not have any problems hiring a qualified applicants. Resumes came as far as Boston, Miami, Seattle and lot of them has not work for 12 to 18 months.
I know tons of business owners this H1 topic comes up all the time. There are no shortage of american workers. It is the business owners that created and abuse this program.
I became aware of this H1 nightmare since 2004 and to my surprise I have not heard of any lawsuit file of wrong termination because H1.

 

[Alystyr]

charwin95, I know that the H-1B visa program and its abuses are as bad as you state, if not worse. First example that comes to mind is what Disney did.

L-1 and L-2 visas may not number as many as the H-1Bs, but I feel that those visas are possibly more prone to abuse, and affects the American worker more since it covers any non-specialized workers. Any international company with offices in both the United States and abroad can import workers from the other countries in which the company has offices. Once here, the L-1 visa holders can then bring in their spouses (and unmarried children under 21) on L-2 visas. The spouses can then work full-time in the U.S. but not necessarily for the same company as the L-1 visa holder (though they often do).

Where I worked that was predominantly L-1 & L-2s, they (the company) made life... difficult on any American workers in attempt to force them out.
Long story short, the American workers were constantly given the short end of the stick when it came to job assignments, transfers, and promotions. There was also an extreme language barrier, and since powered machinery was involved, it was a major safety issue in my mind.

I'll admit that it's a sore point with me. This company could have filled all three shifts - from scratch - with American workers in a week, since the basic qualifications weren't that high, yet they consciously chose to fill the positions with visa holders whenever possible. Unfortunately, I was one of the few Americans that they couldn't find a way to somehow disqualify.
I lasted a whole four months before I reached my limit.

 

[imawhosure]

I again ask the pertinent question of those on the left.........what is the difference if so called "greedy" corporations close up shop and move to another country to lower labor costs; or we allow them to hire illegals on United States soil to maximize profits, and lower labor costs? Is it not one and the same? Therefore, if you demand that corporations stay here at the cost of profits, should you not also demand that every illegal alien working on our soil be instantly terminated, and an American hired by United States law standards to take their place?

 

[Oldglory1]

I again ask the pertinent question of those on the left.........what is the difference if so called "greedy" corporations close up shop and move to another country to lower labor costs; or we allow them to hire illegals on United States soil to maximize profits, and lower labor costs? Is it not one and the same? Therefore, if you demand that corporations stay here at the cost of profits, should you not also demand that every illegal alien working on our soil be instantly terminated, and an American hired by United States law standards to take their place?

I'm a conservative but I will answer your questions. Both illegal immigration and outsourcing are depleting American job opportunities. However, I view illegal immigration as more harmful because the more people here the more demands on our social and natural resources via uncontrolled population growth, increases our crime rate and overcrowds our schools, jails, hospitals, highways and neighborhoods. Also dilutes our nations culture because most illegal aliens are from one ethnic group which results in colonization rather than assimilation.

 

[Wyld Kard]

Deport all illegals?

Yes. Illegal immigrants are just that. They're illegal. Illegal immigrants should have no rights in this country and no support the same way an American criminal has no rights or support. They are an economic burden to the people.

 

[prison/con.net]

it costs too much to deport them as we do now. Instead, make them WANT to leave on their own. Horsewhip, on public TV, those convicted of hiring them. a month later, any still here, well, too damned bad what happens to them. Better get the message EARLY, homeboy!