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but it IS true, many liberals DO want a strong powerful central government
And so did the framers of the constitution which scrapped the Aritcles of Confederation for the great constitution that ever Republican knows and according to every republican, liberals are socialist american hating communists.
But if the founding fathers and liberals were on the same page, wouldn't it stand to reason that republicans hate america?
BTW, those democrats are acting like republcans did for 4 years. Obstruct. Obstruct Obstruct. Doesn't feel too good when the shoe is on the other foot now is it?
ha, that shoe was on the other foot for 6 years before the GOP put it onbut it IS true, many liberals DO want a strong powerful central government
And so did the framers of the constitution which scrapped the Aritcles of Confederation for the great constitution that ever Republican knows and according to every republican, liberals are socialist american hating communists.
But if the founding fathers and liberals were on the same page, wouldn't it stand to reason that republicans hate america?
BTW, those democrats are acting like republcans did for 4 years. Obstruct. Obstruct Obstruct. Doesn't feel too good when the shoe is on the other foot now is it?
LOL
but i dont give the GOP a pass for spending like democrats either
Person who is armed with Knowledge of the facts is a very dangerous person wouldn't yoiu agree? Thats why you aren't a dangerous person.
Person who is armed with Knowledge of the facts is a very dangerous person wouldn't yoiu agree? Thats why you aren't a dangerous person.
It would appear that you lack some facts yourself, since it seems very obvious to me that the person to whom you are replying was referencing Dick Cheney's outburst several years ago on the Senate floor, where he told Patrick Leahy to "Go fuck yourself."
Horsecrap, bucs90. You have tried this nonsense repeatedly on the board. One, Nazi Germany was not leftist; that has been demonstrated over and over here. Two, you can't account for socialist successes like Sweden, Denmark, and other nations.
You can't even define "left" or "right" or "socialist" or "whatever" in historical and political terminology. You want to redefine it, then you always go hissy when you get caught out.
Hitler was fond of studying eugenics ideals of Karl Marx and G. Bernard Shaw, both lefties, although he hated them for being Jewish. Also, his movement was strongly structured in an early green movement, yes, even before seeing Al Gores movie. His Hitler Youth were preached the greatness of environmentalism, green cleanliness, "purity". This was to brainwash the kids into environmental purity, which would lead to purity of humanity ideals. He also wanted to ban citizen's from owning weapons, and have a complete takeover of healthcare, education, transportation. Sound familiar? If thats not enough, we'll, they literally called themselves "Socialists". Kinda hard to deny.
I know you guys don't like it, but it's the truth.
And those Euro examples are fine and all, but key difference: Their people didn't resist the movement, plain and simple. Left wing ideology is quite peaceful if everyone wants to go along. When they do not, the left gets very militant. History shows this over and over. If the folks of Denmark had rebelled centuries or decades ago against left wing ideals, violence from the gov't would've followed in order to take control.
You actually believe Hitler was a liberal? You are completely ignorant. The core teaching of the Hitler Youth was militarism and racial purity. Your evidence is that the Nazis called themselves socialists in their name? I guess the Peoples Republic of China is a democracy and the German Democratic Rebublic (East Germany) was also a democracy.
Here is one for you. How did trade unions under Nazi Germany? Try reading a book as opposed to getting your history lessons from right wing talk radio or a tea party rally.
You actually believe Hitler was a liberal?
but it IS true, many liberals DO want a strong powerful central government
And so did the framers of the constitution which scrapped the Aritcles of Confederation for the great constitution that ever Republican knows and according to every republican, liberals are socialist american hating communists.
But if the founding fathers and liberals were on the same page, wouldn't it stand to reason that republicans hate america?
BTW, those democrats are acting like republcans did for 4 years. Obstruct. Obstruct Obstruct. Doesn't feel too good when the shoe is on the other foot now is it?
The founders were not liberals nor were they conservatives. They were nothing like what we have today. They would have tarred and fathered us all they were small government that would govern by the restraints of the Constitution, not amend them so people could rule by their agenda. No the founders would have tarred and feathered each and everyone of us.
Person who is armed with Knowledge of the facts is a very dangerous person wouldn't yoiu agree? Thats why you aren't a dangerous person.
It would appear that you lack some facts yourself, since it seems very obvious to me that the person to whom you are replying was referencing Dick Cheney's outburst several years ago on the Senate floor, where he told Patrick Leahy to "Go fuck yourself."
Seriously.
Anything about Tea Partiers expecting civility..given their rants at town halls and packing heat during political events comes off as hypocritical. And silly.
And so did the framers of the constitution which scrapped the Aritcles of Confederation for the great constitution that ever Republican knows and according to every republican, liberals are socialist american hating communists.
But if the founding fathers and liberals were on the same page, wouldn't it stand to reason that republicans hate america?
BTW, those democrats are acting like republcans did for 4 years. Obstruct. Obstruct Obstruct. Doesn't feel too good when the shoe is on the other foot now is it?
The founders were not liberals nor were they conservatives. They were nothing like what we have today. They would have tarred and fathered us all they were small government that would govern by the restraints of the Constitution, not amend them so people could rule by their agenda. No the founders would have tarred and feathered each and everyone of us.
What do you know about what they would do today? What, you think if we put them in power today they'd reinstitute a government that was designed for the 13 colonies and a population of less than 3 million?
To understand Conservatives, you must understand the nature of the Right wing. They believe in a Nexus of a powerful one party government coupled with corporations and religion to force the people into the mold of society they feel is best. Take some examples of when right wing ideology blossoms into a far right ideology:
The many monarchies in Europe, Fascist Italy, Saudi Arabia, and of course, the NAZI Party of Germany. Hitler being one of the most religious conservative corporatists of all.
To their extreme, the right is extremely militant, brutal, controlling. They must be, as that is the only way to bring about total power to elites they believe get their power from a supreme being, which is the goal of modern Conservatism. Total supremacy of those they deem superior can't be achieved without overwhelming force or threat of. It's why drill instructors yell so much.
Mao was talking about classical liberalism, the philosophy that believes in personal liberty.Horsecrap, bucs90. You have tried this nonsense repeatedly on the board. One, Nazi Germany was not leftist; that has been demonstrated over and over here. Two, you can't account for socialist successes like Sweden, Denmark, and other nations.
You can't even define "left" or "right" or "socialist" or "whatever" in historical and political terminology. You want to redefine it, then you always go hissy when you get caught out.
What Mao Zedong said about liberalism
"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.
It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937), later quoted in Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (The Little Red Book) (1964), Ch. 24.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
Seriously.
Anything about Tea Partiers expecting civility..given their rants at town halls and packing heat during political events comes off as hypocritical. And silly.
Those were angry voters, not just Tea Party members you idiot. I suppose the only person angry in this country is a rightwinger?
That is exactly what an abusive government can expect from those they subjugate. Just look at the streets of Egypt and see what happens when you don't listen to your people long enough.
Mao was talking about classical liberalism, the philosophy that believes in personal liberty.Horsecrap, bucs90. You have tried this nonsense repeatedly on the board. One, Nazi Germany was not leftist; that has been demonstrated over and over here. Two, you can't account for socialist successes like Sweden, Denmark, and other nations.
You can't even define "left" or "right" or "socialist" or "whatever" in historical and political terminology. You want to redefine it, then you always go hissy when you get caught out.
What Mao Zedong said about liberalism
"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.
It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937), later quoted in Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (The Little Red Book) (1964), Ch. 24.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
That kind of liberalism is not practiced by liberals today.
To understand liberals, you must understand the nature of the left wing. They believe in powerful government to force the people into the mold of society they feel is best.
To understand Conservatives, you must understand the nature of the Right wing. They believe in a Nexus of a powerful one party government coupled with corporations and religion to force the people into the mold of society they feel is best. Take some examples of when right wing ideology blossoms into a far right ideology:
The many monarchies in Europe, Fascist Italy, Saudi Arabia, and of course, the NAZI Party of Germany. Hitler being one of the most religious conservative corporatists of all.
To their extreme, the right is extremely militant, brutal, controlling. They must be, as that is the only way to bring about total power to elites they believe get their power from a supreme being, which is the goal of modern Conservatism. Total supremacy of those they deem superior can't be achieved without overwhelming force or threat of. It's why drill instructors yell so much.
No, you mean right wing conservatives.
I am a life long true conservative that believes in less government and fiscal responsibility.
I also believe in gay rights, marriage equality.
Do not support prohibition.
But I want govermment out of my life fiscally and socially.
In this case, he was right. Individual liberty is not compatible with leftist revolution.Mao was talking about classical liberalism, the philosophy that believes in personal liberty.What Mao Zedong said about liberalism
"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.
It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937), later quoted in Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (The Little Red Book) (1964), Ch. 24.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
That kind of liberalism is not practiced by liberals today.
I wouldn't believe anything Mao said.
It's not the people's work that was getting obstructed -- it was Democrats'.Opstructionist politics?
Who could ever imagine a party doing all they can to keep the majority members from getting the peoples work done?
It amazes me how the op only gets angry when the other party does what they already did.
Opstructionist politics?
Who could ever imagine a party doing all they can to keep the majority members from getting the peoples work done?
It amazes me how the op only gets angry when the other party does what they already did.
Mao was talking about classical liberalism, the philosophy that believes in personal liberty.What Mao Zedong said about liberalism
"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.
It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism (7 September 1937), later quoted in Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (The Little Red Book) (1964), Ch. 24.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
That kind of liberalism is not practiced by liberals today.
I wouldn't believe anything Mao said.
