The Liberal vs. The Conservative

[LaShaun]

What are some of the Primary problems between Liberals and Conservatives today? What are Key differences and beliefs between the 2 groups and how are these issues addressed and taken?

What are negatives and positives of Liberals and Conservatives and how they deal with issues? Which group in your opinion seems to make better sense and more credible decisions when dealing with issues and Why?

 

[LaShaun]

opens a can of worms and dumps them out on the table...

And with that, what exactly is your reason for such a reaction specifically?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

opens a can of worms and dumps them out on the table...

And with that, what exactly is your reason for such a reaction specifically?

You're new to political message boards, I'm guessing?

1/3 of the people on this site will swear up and down that Liberals are Satan worshipping mass murderers and Conservatives are angelic perfect beings. Another 1/3 will simply switch it around.

And the last 1/3 will probably just drop in and make snarky comments. (Like this one.)

 

[gekaap]

What are some of the Primary problems between Liberals and Conservatives today?

The center.

What are Key differences and beliefs between the 2 groups

Everything.

and how are these issues addressed and taken?

Lots of mud.

What are negatives and positives of Liberals and Conservatives and how they deal with issues?

Polarity.

Which group in your opinion seems to make better sense and more credible decisions when dealing with issues and Why?

Neither, really.

 

[bucs90]

One problem is the label itself. "Liberal" isn't exclusive to Democrat, nor "Conservative" to GOP.

"Liberals" today are more of the modern liberal, not the classical liberal. In fact, the modern liberal is the exact opposite of the classic liberal. Todays modern liberal believes in working towards absolute equality, which can only be achieved through force of government. Thus, they support countless laws to shape humanity and society into what they feel is more fair and equal. They believe in the idea that some subgroups are not succeeding because of ingrained oppression, and it's the gov'ts job to fix that. Again, they can be Dem, GOP, or independent, but tend to flock to the D.

"Conservatives" believe in more freedom, but thus, more risk, in society. That the government should stay as "hands off" as possible, and let the pieces fall where they may. Small gov't, only the basics: Police, fire, military, EMS, roads. Little much else. They believe in morality based closer to religion than social acceptance, although sometimes don't follow it themselves (at least politicians anyway).

So it's basically which direction you think society should go. More freedom and let people end up where they end up? Or more laws to shape society into what the governing body feels it should look like. Neither is really a good idea. But I prefer more freedom because I'm independent and capable, and will thrive without gov't. Thus, I'm a conservative. If I was helpless, scared, or angry at the world, I'd be a liberal so I could get handouts, protection and revenge.

 

[JBeukema]

Did CBass52 get a sex change?


Anyone biting?

 

[JBeukema]

opens a can of worms and dumps them out on the table...

And with that, what exactly is your reason for such a reaction specifically?

You're new to political message boards, I'm guessing?

1/3 of the people on this site will swear up and down that Liberals are Satan worshipping mass murderers and Conservatives are angelic perfect beings. Another 1/3 will simply switch it around.

And the last 1/3 will probably just drop in and make snarky comments. (Like this one.)

1/5 will try to have a decent conversation

1 in every 250 or so will constantly point out that these numbers do not add up at all



1 in 35 of them will cite that fact as evidence that the census is an Illuminati plot

 

[JBeukema]

What are some of the Primary problems between Liberals and Conservatives today?

The center.

Nope.

False dichotomy. Liberalism is an ideology (or set of related ideologies). Conservatism is no ideology and refers to nothing at all, really.

 

[kaz]

There is no conflict between a real liberal and conservative. I liberal believes in helping others. A conservative believes in personal responsibility. Neither of those admirable objectives is achieved by government. The American Left abdicates their personable responsibility for charity to others. As the American Right abdicates their personable responsibility for morality to others. They are both the same, they both fail. Only those who believe in personal charity hand in hand with personal morality have a clue.

 

[gekaap]

Liberalism is an ideology (or set of related ideologies). Conservatism is no ideology and refers to nothing at all, really.

At the very least, that runs into an existential problem. "No ideology" is itself an ideology. As a practical matter, it is pretty silly to suggest that conservatives believe in nothing at all. They have an ideology of their own.

 

[uscitizen]

Conservatuives are more fear driven due to that enlarged portion of their brain. they cannot help it.
The are also more like the Siths in that they tend to deal in absolutes.

 

[JFK_USA]

A liberal is a champion of the downtrodded. This usually comes from experience with the government and had them help them when they were down and out on their luck, they want to have those programs around so when others are down on their luck, they will have somewhere to go.

A conservative wants to believe that someone is poor because they don't work hard or are losers. They want to ensure no one has any help whatsoever and uses religion as a backdrop to control people's lives.

But anyone who is smart enough to understand that without government programs, chaos would erupt. You would be a democrat. We don't have a lot of smart people in this country.

 

[kaz]

A liberal is a champion of the downtrodded. This usually comes from experience with the government and had them help them when they were down and out on their luck, they want to have those programs around so when others are down on their luck, they will have somewhere to go.

A conservative wants to believe that someone is poor because they don't work hard or are losers. They want to ensure no one has any help whatsoever and uses religion as a backdrop to control people's lives.

But anyone who is smart enough to understand that without government programs, chaos would erupt. You would be a democrat. We don't have a lot of smart people in this country.

This is the justification the Democratic party uses for their socialistic policies. But if you look at the actual results of the policy it tells a very different story. I have no doubt you wanted this to happen when you voted for them. But you are responsible for the fact that it's harming both the country and the people these policies were intended to help and you look the other way and continue to vote for it

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What are some of the Primary problems between Liberals and Conservatives today?

The center.

Nope.

False dichotomy. Liberalism is an ideology (or set of related ideologies). Conservatism is no ideology and refers to nothing at all, really.

And there ya have it all in a nutshell.

 

[Sallow]

One problem is the label itself. "Liberal" isn't exclusive to Democrat, nor "Conservative" to GOP.

"Liberals" today are more of the modern liberal, not the classical liberal. .

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

A liberal is a champion of the downtrodded. This usually comes from experience with the government and had them help them when they were down and out on their luck, they want to have those programs around so when others are down on their luck, they will have somewhere to go.

A conservative wants to believe that someone is poor because they don't work hard or are losers. They want to ensure no one has any help whatsoever and uses religion as a backdrop to control people's lives.

But anyone who is smart enough to understand that without government programs, chaos would erupt. You would be a democrat. We don't have a lot of smart people in this country.

Once again you demonstrate what an uninformed, illiterate hack you are.

Good job!!!!!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

One problem is the label itself. "Liberal" isn't exclusive to Democrat, nor "Conservative" to GOP.

"Liberals" today are more of the modern liberal, not the classical liberal. .

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

 

[gekaap]

Yeah, because the "conservatives believe in nothing" stance is somehow much more intelligent.

 

[rdean]

The right wing base supports a leadership that doesn't even pretend to help them and use their fears against a new target every couple of months. The gays, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims.

The other problem is the right wing is so ridiculous, apologizing to BP, being anti science, supporting tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, believing the president took a 200 million dollar a day trip, that it's difficult to get the left wing base fired up. Many don't believe that Republicans really have those beliefs. The left doesn't see the right as the ignorant danger that it is.

Read the threads on this board. Iran will take over the middle east, not even knowing the difference between Shiite and Sunni.

The right believes Iraq is now a "free democracy" which is better now than under Saddam. Completely ignoring the FACT they want us dead, their women are now enslaved under Sharia law and their Christian population has mysteriously shrunk by a million.

They believe in mysticism over science and a quarter believe the president is the "anti Christ".

The majority believe the president is a "Socialist Muslim".

They believe corporations are more trustworthy than government, even defending the apology to BP.

They give their leadership a pass on everything. From helping move jobs to China, to blocking incentives to bringing jobs back here, to believing that stopping the number one cause of bankruptcies, the skyrocketing cost of health care, is a "bad" thing. That the apology to BP was correct.

How can you fight a political party that is bent on destroying this country? They even believe foreign and Arab owned FOX news has the best interests of the nation at heart.

In fact, this right wing is so extreme, they support tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires and raising the retirement age and cutting benefits to cover the cost of those tax cuts. Can you imagine 70 year old police and firemen? They are so misled, they don't see how extending retirement age is related to old police and firemen.

And when you point these things out, they scream and call names and yell liar. But at least they are honest enough that they can't point out what the lie is.

 

[kaz]

"Classical Liberal" is a made up term used by Conservatives to latch themselves on to "some" liberal values without having to dive into the Liberal ocean.

"Classical" Liberals implies there is never growth in the mindset. That's not Liberal in any sense of the word. Liberals are constantly growing. They are open to new ideas and adapt them if those are ideas are deemed worthy.

Conservatives are steeped in Tradition..and do not grow.

That's the difference.

Watch lot's of TV do ya?

The nice thing about being a liberal is that you get to be defined by your goal and not your actual plan. If you are for government indoctrination and control of education you are "pro-education" no matter how poor the actual results are. If you are for appeasement you are "pro-peace" even though appeasement hasn't ever worked in combating evil governments. And if you are close minded sheep who all believe the same thing on every issue you are "liberal."

Liberalism, it beats thinking...