democracy vs communism in the middle east

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    Do you think we would be better off alowing these middle eastern countries to remain a communist dictatorship and just simply keeping there leaders happy with money.
     
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    Why should we keep their dictators happy with money at all. Letting them remain as they are (not really our decision anyway) has nothing to do with aid to those countries. Aid is usually given to secure something that we want in return. Trade, Intel or something specific ect.

    I would say that we have no real power over there anyway to change those governments. Those people are going to establish the government they want. Our involvement really does not change much in that regard. We should work with those governments insofar as it is parallel with our own interests. That does not mean seeding more aid to them. Aid should virtually cease, I don’t see much of a return on most foreign aid that is sent overseas anyway. Such things should be limited to actual allies.

    Those governments that act as our enemies should be treated as such.
     
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    We should have huge power given that the USA is the most successful and most powerful country in human history. But, we really have little influence because liberals hate America and so dilute its message and influence.
     
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    with democracy i think it becomes easier for terroist groups to meet and organize in there countries.
     
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    You said it right. With us giving "aid" to a certain party over there, there's always going to be someone else that views us as "evil" or the "enemy" because we're funding their enemy. I couldn't agree with you more that there isn't much ROI from our foreign aid.

    Let's fix our country first. Then, we can truly show the world how a democracy is supposed to work by having our OWN thriving country.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything I posted? What are you going on about liberals and the like? That has NOTHING to do with the power we wield over the form of governments that are established in the Middle East. Partisan politics is not what makes our influence there negligible. The fact that we are not governing them and we are not over there is what makes our influence negligible. It is akin to stating that China has influence over our constitutional republic. It does not because WE ARE NOT CHINESE. In that same manner, our influence over the government that is established in Iraq or Afghanistan is rather minimal because we are not Iraqi or Afghanistan.

    What influence would you prefer we have? What difference in government do the conservatives have that would give us greater control over those foreign governments?

    The USA, through its influence, power and trade DOES have a very big impact on the international actions of those governments. It does not have much influence on the type of government established. That is entirely up to the people of those nations.
     
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    Responding to Edward is pointless. He lives in his own little world.
     
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    I think we should always seek to serve Justice. The further it is abandoned, the harder the reality.
     
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    What do you mean by that? It might sound nice but it is meaningless without the action behind it.

    Are you saying that what we are doing in Libya and Iraq are good or that it is the proper thing to do?
     
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    These middle eastern countries never were a communist dictatorship. It is entirely possible to have a communist dictatorship achieved through democratic means. Indeed most of them are.
     

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