Democracy in the Middle East ?

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    ..just for a laugh I would like someone to actually attempt to sound intelligent. While at the same time try to convince me that
    the US gives a rats ass about Democracy in the Middle East, and its got nothing to do with all that oil.
     
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    ..my question is based on the latest reasons given by your President, or is questioining the government no longer allowed under the Patriot act ?
     
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    And what exactly were these "latest reasons"? And please show me how they imply it's about oil and not democracy.

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    OK Dartayan,
    If we are to discuss the middle east we must first talk about the state of isreal. Isreal is a DEMOCRACY in the middle east. We are one of a FEW nations who actually support the state. now when you look at teh history of the middle east, it's pretty easy you only go back about 50 years. Isreal since it's exsitance has fought three major wars with it's arab nieghbors. All of these agreeser nations havae been under the rule of a tryant or a despot. None of these leaders were elected. So, If all of the leaders of the agressive Arab nations were non-elected govts then it would be better if the Arab nations became elected govts. Because of this idea and the fact that no democratic nation hasd ever fought another democratic nation, to put a democracy in the middle east would be a point for the US and a new partner in peace for the Isrealies. Does that help a little, if not i'll say this. Regions with no democracy and no recorse for rullers, ie sanctions(these peopel have oil and evreyone needs oil) the nations act however the ruller descides at the time. That in todays world is very dangerous.

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    I hope you can engage in some dialog here i'd like to think why you believe were over ther because of Oil, I've never actually heard a good argument on that, mabey you could be the first. Or mabey you are a troll.:trolls:
     
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    how can you even begin to understand the implications of the Pat Act if you don't even live in america?
     
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    ...that is the conclusion I draw, based on the observed fact that the US almost never supports real Democracy and with the understanding of the importance Oil plays in our Economies, just about all Wars or conflicts are about the control of resources. Do you think that 2004 is really that different from 1540 ? we live in a time whetre not just Oil but many valueable resources are dwindling, personally I think we are going to blow each other to hell over control of them.
     
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    Where are the "latest reasons" from our president?
     
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    if oil control was our goal i'd believe we'ld have gone to SA and would now consider Iraq an american colony. that ended over 60 years ago man get your head out of the sand and read a history book. or better yet a newspaper.
     
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    ..insults always impune the person throwing them. Don't even talk to me about Isreal, the minute you say one negative thing out come the ant-semite name calling, and if you think that the situation in Iraq will not sooner then you think turn into another Vietnam, well its your kids not mine.
     
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    I'm still waiting for the "latest reasons" from our president.
     

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