Dehumanization: Palestinians' most powerful enemy

[montelatici]

Challenger, et al,

Yes, the EU CFSP is an "official" position. It doesn't make it any less invalid.

I'm not so sure that individual members ignore it. I'm not sure where you get that information. The EU is the collective of the individual state members. If the preponderance of the EU States individually disagreed, then in the collective --- they would have not included HAMAS as a terrorist state.

EXCERPT: The EU is extremely concerned at the continued escalation of violence in Gaza and calls
for an immediate cessation of the hostilities based on a return to the November 2012
ceasefire agreement. In this regard the EU welcomes on-going efforts by regional partners,
and in particular by Egypt, and reiterates its readiness to provide the necessary support to
this end.
The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and
militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and
unjustifiable acts. The EU calls on Hamas to immediately put an end to these acts and to
renounce violence. All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm. The EU strongly condemns
calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields.
(12091/14 PR CO 41 PRESS RELEASE Council meeting Foreign Affairs --- Brussels, 22 July 2014)
​

P F Tinmore, et al,

"In human behavior, denialism is exhibited by individuals choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid dealing with an uncomfortable truth." Denying reality doesn't actually change the reality.

The reality is: COUNCIL DECISION 2014/483/CFSP of 22 July 2014 Item #9: ‘Hamas’, including ‘Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem’.

Are you still pimping that terrorist name calling crap?

(COMMENT)

While I agree, the designation is not mine. It is what it is: HAMAS is a terrorist organization.
Even Egypt:

An Egyptian court has banned all activities by the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Egypt. Cairo’s relations with the group have fallen apart since president Morsi’s military-backed ouster. SOURCE LINK​

Most Respectfully,
R

The reality is as I've explained before is that the EU CFSP is the "official position" of the EU; individual member states can, and do ignore it, "unofficially". Egypt's experiment with democracy has now crashed and burned leaving a Saudi sponsored and financed dictatorship in place that has suppressed and murdered its opposition. That is the reality, if you want to see who is denying reality, I respectfully suggest you look in the mirror.

(COMMENT)

The EU has many reasons for what they do. Many of the individual members have a significant number of Muslims in their countries and are intimidated by the potential for violence within their domestic concern (a key factor in a terrorism determination). Don't believe for a moment that the lack of initiative on the part of individual EU members is a show of support for HAMAS or any of its terrorist, Jihadist, or Fedayeen associations. Several EU Members are very concerned that the any counter-terrorism support against HAMAS (and associates) would have an adverse impact on their domestic security.

Most Respectfully,
R

The EU is a U.S. puppet when it comes to Israel. Even the mildest criticism of Israel results in U.S. diplomatic and economic attacks by the U.S. on the E.U. The E.U. statement was most probably, if not written, reviewed and approved by the U.S. Thank goodness the rising powers are not so cowed by the U.S.

"“For the love of God, what we have here is genocide, a massacre, to the point where top UN officials are starting to talk about war crimes” against Palestinians, Brazil’s Special Adviser for International Relations Marco Aurelio García told reporters.......The Brazilian government condemned the “genocide” in Gaza yesterday and recalled its ambassador to Tel Aviv, "

Brazil recalls envoy condemns Gaza genocide - BuenosAiresHerald.com

"GENEVA: India has taken a strong stand against Israel by voting in support of a UN resolution to launch a probe into the country's offensive on Gaza "

India Backs Anti-Israel Vote Can t Support Violation of International Norms Say Sources

"Mr Wang also said Israel "should lift its blockade on Gaza, release Palestinian prisoners - See more at: China s foreign minister urges Israel Hamas to stop fighting says will provide aid to Gaza

China s foreign minister urges Israel Hamas to stop fighting says will provide aid to Gaza

 

[Challenger]

It is not declaring war. Jihad is a "Holy Mission". You can have a Jihad to ensure all homeless people have a bed and food to sustain them. You can have a Jihad to ensure villages have clean water to drink. You can have Jihad to prevent an invader from annexing more of your land.

So, jihad is whatever two-faced muslims want it to be, of course.

It's caled "nuance" something clearly far beyond your intellectual capabilities.

It's called "duplicity", i.e. deceitfulness in speech or conduct; double-dealing, of course. Two-facedness, as Bassam Tibbi described it. Besides, intellectual and arab cheerleading are quite incompatible occupations, of course.

The Pronoid sees "nuance" where the Paranoid sees "duplicity". Take your pick...oh wait, you have.

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

Yes, the EU CFSP is an "official" position. It doesn't make it any less invalid.

I'm not so sure that individual members ignore it. I'm not sure where you get that information. The EU is the collective of the individual state members. If the preponderance of the EU States individually disagreed, then in the collective --- they would have not included HAMAS as a terrorist state.

EXCERPT: The EU is extremely concerned at the continued escalation of violence in Gaza and calls
for an immediate cessation of the hostilities based on a return to the November 2012
ceasefire agreement. In this regard the EU welcomes on-going efforts by regional partners,
and in particular by Egypt, and reiterates its readiness to provide the necessary support to
this end.
The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and
militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and
unjustifiable acts. The EU calls on Hamas to immediately put an end to these acts and to
renounce violence. All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm. The EU strongly condemns
calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields.
(12091/14 PR CO 41 PRESS RELEASE Council meeting Foreign Affairs --- Brussels, 22 July 2014)
​

P F Tinmore, et al,

"In human behavior, denialism is exhibited by individuals choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid dealing with an uncomfortable truth." Denying reality doesn't actually change the reality.

The reality is: COUNCIL DECISION 2014/483/CFSP of 22 July 2014 Item #9: ‘Hamas’, including ‘Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem’.

Are you still pimping that terrorist name calling crap?

(COMMENT)

While I agree, the designation is not mine. It is what it is: HAMAS is a terrorist organization.
Even Egypt:

An Egyptian court has banned all activities by the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Egypt. Cairo’s relations with the group have fallen apart since president Morsi’s military-backed ouster. SOURCE LINK​

Most Respectfully,
R

The reality is as I've explained before is that the EU CFSP is the "official position" of the EU; individual member states can, and do ignore it, "unofficially". Egypt's experiment with democracy has now crashed and burned leaving a Saudi sponsored and financed dictatorship in place that has suppressed and murdered its opposition. That is the reality, if you want to see who is denying reality, I respectfully suggest you look in the mirror.

(COMMENT)

The EU has many reasons for what they do. Many of the individual members have a significant number of Muslims in their countries and are intimidated by the potential for violence within their domestic concern (a key factor in a terrorism determination). Don't believe for a moment that the lack of initiative on the part of individual EU members is a show of support for HAMAS or any of its terrorist, Jihadist, or Fedayeen associations. Several EU Members are very concerned that the any counter-terrorism support against HAMAS (and associates) would have an adverse impact on their domestic security.

Most Respectfully,
R

Generally you don't piss off your biggest customer. The US carries a lot of "influence", being the bloc's biggest trading partner so the EU will tend to pay lip service to anything that doesn't go against it's own "vital interests". It's called Realpolitik.

 

[docmauser1]

It is not declaring war. Jihad is a "Holy Mission". You can have a Jihad to ensure all homeless people have a bed and food to sustain them. You can have a Jihad to ensure villages have clean water to drink. You can have Jihad to prevent an invader from annexing more of your land.

So, jihad is whatever two-faced muslims want it to be, of course.

It's caled "nuance" something clearly far beyond your intellectual capabilities.

It's called "duplicity", i.e. deceitfulness in speech or conduct; double-dealing, of course. Two-facedness, as Bassam Tibbi described it. Besides, intellectual and arab cheerleading are quite incompatible occupations, of course.

The Pronoid sees "nuance" where the Paranoid sees "duplicity". Take your pick...oh wait, you have.

[yawn] Whatevah.