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Obama just wants to delay the pipeline until closer to election time so it gives him something positive to talk about.
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Today the House voted to reject a Senate plan for temporarily extending the payroll-tax cut and subsequently moved to recess, and they deserve credit for doing so.
This move does not eliminate the possibility of extending the tax cut, which expires at the end of December: The House previously passed a bill extending the cut for a full year, and that bill is good policy. It doesnt increase the deficit. It forces a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline. And its President Obamas major year-end priority. So why is the Democratic Senate blocking the bills path between Capitol Hill and the White House signing desk, and pushing the bill the House rejected instead?
Because Harry Reid doesnt like how the House version is paid for. Having failed not once, but multiple times to offset the payroll-rate cut with a new surtax on job creators, Senate Democrats were forced to huddle with Republicans to find common ground. What they came up with were enough offsets to fund a 60-day extension, mostly via increased fees on Fannie and Freddie. (This makes a certain amount of sense: Republicans abhor the government-sponsored enterprises, Democrats adore fees.)
The Senate plan, then, was to pass the temporary extension, send it back to the House, and enjoy a lengthy Christmas holiday. The New Year, they seem to believe, will bring with it fresh opportunities to kick the can down the road. But the 60-day extension is both irresponsible and unworkable, and House Republicans were right to hold the line against it, even if it keeps Congress in Washington through these holy nigh
The House, Harry Reid, and the Payroll Tax - The Editors - National Review Online
so the demoncrats were gonna soak the poor old middle class homeowners?
I based my question on the fact that someone who pays $500 a month rent today will definitely need Social Security when they decide to quit working.
Then you asked the question on a false basis and incorrect assumptions.
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A thousand dollars of real money in your pocket at the end of the year is not a gimmick to most Americans. For me that's two months of real rent.
So you pay more than $500 a month rent? Why did you lie?
I based my question on the fact that someone who pays $500 a month rent today will definitely need Social Security when they decide to quit working.
Then you asked the question on a false basis and incorrect assumptions.
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A thousand dollars of real money in your pocket at the end of the year is not a gimmick to most Americans. For me that's two months of real rent.
So you pay more than $500 a month rent? Why did you lie?
They BOTH want a year. It's just that the Republican measure came with strings attached. How do figure that won't backfire on them? They don't have a good record of making those kinds of plays/ploys work.
Oh so you think Keystone and jobs and spending cuts aren't good attachments??
Why should there be any attachments?
Obama just wants to delay the pipeline until closer to election time so it gives him something positive to talk about.
Oh so you think Keystone and jobs and spending cuts aren't good attachments??
Why should there be any attachments?
Why not. Its a game both sides play. IMHO this is one good attachment.
The Keystone pipeline has been investigated for 3 years. The Gov of the State is on board and it will provide jobs.
Barry was going to hold off until 2013 to decide on it. Of course he's pandering to the enviro crowd. Those lovely folks pretty much told him they wouldn't support him in 2012 if the pipeline went through.
The Unions on the other hand are pushing for it because of the jobs it will privide.
Catch 22 for Barry. Should he pander to the Unions or Enviro crowd??
Jobs are a pretty good attachment in my book.
They BOTH want a year. It's just that the Republican measure came with strings attached. How do figure that won't backfire on them? They don't have a good record of making those kinds of plays/ploys work.
Oh so you think Keystone and jobs and spending cuts aren't good attachments??
They're attachments. Never did like omnibus bills. That's how you get a lot of the crap everybody complains about. Whether or not they're good, it's still a ploy. If the Reps are going to play games, don't expect the Dems to go along.
How do you plan on paying your rent when you retire and you don't get a Social Security check?
Oh so you think Keystone and jobs and spending cuts aren't good attachments??
Why should there be any attachments?
Why not. Its a game both sides play. IMHO this is one good attachment.
The Keystone pipeline has been investigated for 3 years. The Gov of the State is on board and it will provide jobs.
Barry was going to hold off until 2013 to decide on it. Of course he's pandering to the enviro crowd. Those lovely folks pretty much told him they wouldn't support him in 2012 if the pipeline went through.
The Unions on the other hand are pushing for it because of the jobs it will privide.
Catch 22 for Barry. Should he pander to the Unions or Enviro crowd??
Jobs are a pretty good attachment in my book.
Why should there be any attachments?
If it's such a good idea, why can't it stand on its own? There are all sorts of environmental and cost issues to consider first. If we rush into this and things go wrong, it'll make Solyndra look like the "Deal of the Century".
Why should there be any attachments?
That's called a shit sandwich, or "compromise" when the Democrats do it.
Why should there be any attachments?
That's called a shit sandwich, or "compromise" when the Democrats do it.
So that makes it right?
Good to know that you're ok with holding middle class tax cuts hostage so you can ram through a piece of legislation that doesn't have bipartisan support yet.
That's called a shit sandwich, or "compromise" when the Democrats do it.
So that makes it right?
Good to know that you're ok with holding middle class tax cuts hostage so you can ram through a piece of legislation that doesn't have bipartisan support yet.
Obama and Harry Reid are the ones holding them hostage. All they have to do is say "yes."
Why should there be any attachments?
Why not. Its a game both sides play. IMHO this is one good attachment.
The Keystone pipeline has been investigated for 3 years. The Gov of the State is on board and it will provide jobs.
Barry was going to hold off until 2013 to decide on it. Of course he's pandering to the enviro crowd. Those lovely folks pretty much told him they wouldn't support him in 2012 if the pipeline went through.
The Unions on the other hand are pushing for it because of the jobs it will privide.
Catch 22 for Barry. Should he pander to the Unions or Enviro crowd??
Jobs are a pretty good attachment in my book.
Its the games that have to stop. If the tax cuts are worth extending, then vote to extend them. Trying to push through other (big) legislation on the back of something that will directly impact middle class Americans is bullshit. If you're honest about it, you know that it's a dirty ploy to try and hijack these middle class tax cuts to pass something that doesn't have bipartisan support. That's why.
Let them decide on the pipeline separately.
Why should there be any attachments?
Why not. Its a game both sides play. IMHO this is one good attachment.
The Keystone pipeline has been investigated for 3 years. The Gov of the State is on board and it will provide jobs.
Barry was going to hold off until 2013 to decide on it. Of course he's pandering to the enviro crowd. Those lovely folks pretty much told him they wouldn't support him in 2012 if the pipeline went through.
The Unions on the other hand are pushing for it because of the jobs it will privide.
Catch 22 for Barry. Should he pander to the Unions or Enviro crowd??
Jobs are a pretty good attachment in my book.
so which is it?
Is it the pipeline?
Is it "paying for it"?
Is it the the tax on millionaires?
Is it the fee for guaranteed mortgages?
Or is it that you just want to preserve tax cuts for the rich, but don't give a shit about the middle class?
A thousand dollars of real money in your pocket at the end of the year is not a gimmick to most Americans. For me that's two months of real rent.
Yes, but when you get ready to retire you may have to wait til your 80 to get social security. Is that a good trade off?
I'm sorry, but if at the age of 30 (my age) SS is your retirement plan, you have a serious problem. Personally I'm not counting on SS at all. Right now I don't think it's realistic for anyone my age to count on it being there and two, I find the concept rather immoral.
Why not. Its a game both sides play. IMHO this is one good attachment.
The Keystone pipeline has been investigated for 3 years. The Gov of the State is on board and it will provide jobs.
Barry was going to hold off until 2013 to decide on it. Of course he's pandering to the enviro crowd. Those lovely folks pretty much told him they wouldn't support him in 2012 if the pipeline went through.
The Unions on the other hand are pushing for it because of the jobs it will privide.
Catch 22 for Barry. Should he pander to the Unions or Enviro crowd??
Jobs are a pretty good attachment in my book.
Its the games that have to stop. If the tax cuts are worth extending, then vote to extend them. Trying to push through other (big) legislation on the back of something that will directly impact middle class Americans is bullshit. If you're honest about it, you know that it's a dirty ploy to try and hijack these middle class tax cuts to pass something that doesn't have bipartisan support. That's why.
Let them decide on the pipeline separately.
games are the name of the game in DC.....ESPECIALLY with this prez....and his kowtowing press....
now that the GOP is throwing this one back in their faces......the Dims are bawling.......
either BO and Harry cave to what they said they wanted in the FIRST place.......or BO will get to spend his holiday in DC instead of vacationing in Hawaii......that is if he still is holding to his executive demand that everybody stay until this deal is done......