Dear conservatives: if Obamacare is so bad...

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    Well, no.

    First of all, it's not collapsing, nor is it going to ("No ‘Death Spiral’: Insurers May Soon Profit From Obamacare Plans, Analysis Finds"; "Health insurers start getting the hang of Obamacare as GOP pushes replacement plan").

    The only way it could collapse at this point is if the current GOP administration deliberately moves to destroy it. Which is apparently on the table ("Trump Threatens to Withhold Payments to Insurers to Press Democrats on Health Bill"). If that happens, yes, I would agree that we'll probably move to some form of single-payer within 5-10 years. But if it was "designed" with the intent that Trump and the GOP would destroy it, then the Dems have really been playing some 11-dimensional chess.

    At the state-level the story is more varied, but in general states that have been implementing it well and as intended are doing fine and states that deliberately did the opposite are having a rockier time. Did the Dems trick Tennessee into deliberately undercutting their own individual market as part of some secret plan to force single-payer? If so, they're a lot savvier than I ever imagined. Somehow they knew all along that red states and the Congressional GOP would intentionally bungle things and force single-payer. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has been doing this for a decade and hasn't felt the need to pursue single-payer.
     
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    You obviously have no clue what I said. Have someone read it for you and explain it to you.
     
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    Yep, totally worked. Look at those high monthly costs combined with high deductibles and max out of pocket costs.

    Not to mention if I want to stop at my doctor's office and get looked at without insurance (they give pay in full customers a 15% discount), I'll still be fined $700 because of the old administration who treats adults like children and only wants to take away your freedom, not give you freedom.

    What you just explained is still a death spiral for Obamacare. The idea is that insurance companies don't make insane profits because of this law. Even then your source is B.S because insurance companies are slowly dropping out of the Obamacare guidelines like flies. Why don't you try thinking more than skin deep for a change?
     
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    A death spiral is not "insurance companies don't make insane profits."

    It refers to an escalating deterioration of the risk pool, which obviously isn't happening here.
     
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    No the death spiral is insurance companies beginning to make insane profits again, despite the regulations put in place to control their profits in favor of more coverage for the people. Obamacare is a failure, and this OP is an idiot. If Obamacare was a great law, Congress wouldn't be trying to hard to get rid of it.
     
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    Do you remember why the health care reform became a top priority to begin with?

    Something about skyrocketing costs, 10s of millions uninsured, ballooning entitlements, and the links between the 3.

    Your "shoulds" are fine but do not address the real world problems.
     
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    It was not a priority with the people, it was liberal politicians who were pushing it, and many of the 10s of millions who had no insurance didn't have it because they didn't want it.
     
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    ACA very quickly turned into a feed trough for lobbyists. If Congress had been more interested in addressing the problems with the health care market, and less preoccupied with peddling influence, we might have seen real reform.
     
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    ObamaCare — the myth of pre-existing conditions
     
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    No one said Obamacare was great, but it is a marked improvement over the system prior to 2010. If Obamacare was as bad as Conservatives say, they would have a replacement plan ready to go since they had seven fucking years to come up with one.

    Instead, they produce the garbage that they won't even show to the Public today. Which means they never really intended to repeal Obamacare, but used it for political gain.

    Same goes for Jobs too.
     

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