Dear conservatives: if Obamacare is so bad...

[Oldstyle]

They didn't repeal it, because they know they'd have to replace it, and they don't have a plan to do so. After EIGHT YEARS.

They don't have a plan because they know that what their base wants would not work. What would work - an expansion of the excellent public/private Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system - would be labeled "socialism" or "Marxism" or "communism" or whatever by their base and they would lose their comfy gubmit jobs if they passed it.

So, they're fucked and look silly & incompetent as a result of partisan politics and cowardice.
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See what I mean?

 

[S.J.]

I'm saying I don't want the government in charge of my healthcare.

Then what are you whining about the size of deductibles for?

I guess I'm talking over your head. I'm not whining about deductibles, I'm saying I don't want socialized medicine, and I'm not gonna argue over the details of something I'm against in it's entirety.

 

[S.J.]

Those are caps the govt put on plans at the start of aca.

"The govt". There's the problem, right there.

 

[PredFan]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?

Could it possibly be that Obamacare worked, and they didn't dare touch it? Much like they won't dare decrease spending on anything else?

Could it be that your noble Republican politicians are just interested in getting into power and staying there, and that none of them act on any principles?

No, that couldn't be. They are heroes fighting the evil Democrats.

Why is it that every single time one of you left wing morons crawls out from under a rock we have to explain the obvious to you?

 

[Anathema]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?.

Neither Trump nor the Republican Party are Conservative. The AHCA was stopped by the office lyrics group of real Conservatives out there on this issue - The Freedom Caucus.

 

[Greenbeard]

I guess I'm talking over your head. I'm not whining about deductibles, I'm saying I don't want socialized medicine, and I'm not gonna argue over the details of something I'm against in it's entirety.

Then you're in luck. We don't have socialized medicine in the United States and we're almost certainly never going to.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?

Could it possibly be that Obamacare worked, and they didn't dare touch it? Much like they won't dare decrease spending on anything else?

Could it be that your noble Republican politicians are just interested in getting into power and staying there, and that none of them act on any principles?

No, that couldn't be. They are heroes fighting the evil Democrats.

Because the whole idea of Obamacare was to set it up to fail (because the numbers never did work!) but give millions of Americans big subsidies that they would then expect to get under whatever "new" plan replaced the ACA?

Do you really not understand that the ACA was nothing more than a "bait and switch" by progressives? You set it up to fail so badly that the only thing that could be done is replace it and the only thing that's going to satisfy those millions you've given big subsidies to is a Universal health care plan that will cause the taxes of Middle Class Americans to go through the roof to even come close to paying for this new entitlement?

No it wasn't but thanks to the Rs, it has some very fixable problems.

Its here to stay.

Deal with it.

 

[Oldstyle]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?

Could it possibly be that Obamacare worked, and they didn't dare touch it? Much like they won't dare decrease spending on anything else?

Could it be that your noble Republican politicians are just interested in getting into power and staying there, and that none of them act on any principles?

No, that couldn't be. They are heroes fighting the evil Democrats.

Because the whole idea of Obamacare was to set it up to fail (because the numbers never did work!) but give millions of Americans big subsidies that they would then expect to get under whatever "new" plan replaced the ACA?

Do you really not understand that the ACA was nothing more than a "bait and switch" by progressives? You set it up to fail so badly that the only thing that could be done is replace it and the only thing that's going to satisfy those millions you've given big subsidies to is a Universal health care plan that will cause the taxes of Middle Class Americans to go through the roof to even come close to paying for this new entitlement?

No it wasn't but thanks to the Rs, it has some very fixable problems.

Its here to stay.

Deal with it.

It was never here to stay, Luddly...Obama, Reid and Pelosi wanted something completely different than the ACA but couldn't get moderate Democrats to go along. They cooked up the Affordable Care Act as a way of forcing the country into accepting what is basically an expansion of Medicare for everyone by giving millions big subsidies that can never be paid for by the ACA and hiding the true costs from those who would ultimately foot the bill for the giveaways. The ACA was designed to fail. Anyone with simple math skills and a dollop of common sense knew that right from the start! The architects of the ACA were counting on a lot of Americans being too stupid to figure that out. They lied to you...and you bought their lies...hook...line and sinker!

 

[dblack]

I guess I'm talking over your head. I'm not whining about deductibles, I'm saying I don't want socialized medicine, and I'm not gonna argue over the details of something I'm against in it's entirety.

Then you're in luck. We don't have socialized medicine in the United States and we're almost certainly never going to.

True that. But some people can't seem to give up on the idea, and their efforts are fucking up the market.

 

[S.J.]

I guess I'm talking over your head. I'm not whining about deductibles, I'm saying I don't want socialized medicine, and I'm not gonna argue over the details of something I'm against in it's entirety.

Then you're in luck. We don't have socialized medicine in the United States and we're almost certainly never going to.

True. Obamacare was the stepping off point for the plunge into full government controlled healthcare (socialized medicine). It was designed to fail so the Democrats could move us to single payer (government) when Obamacare collapsed during a Hillary Clinton presidency. It's still gonna collapse, only Hillary and the Democratic Party won't be replacing it with single payer as planned. Another reason the wealth redistributing party is so upset over their shellacking in November.

 

[Greenbeard]

True. Obamacare was the stepping off point for the plunge into full government controlled healthcare (socialized medicine). It was designed to fail so the Democrats could move us to single payer (government) when Obamacare collapsed during a Hillary Clinton presidency. It's still gonna collapse, only Hillary and the Democratic Party won't be replacing it with single payer as planned. Another reason the wealth redistributing party is so upset over their shellacking in November.

Well, no.

First of all, it's not collapsing, nor is it going to ("No ‘Death Spiral’: Insurers May Soon Profit From Obamacare Plans, Analysis Finds"; [url=http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/health-insurers-get-the-hang-of-obamacare-as-gop-pushes-replacement.html]"Health insurers start getting the hang of Obamacare as GOP pushes replacement plan").

The only way it could collapse at this point is if the current GOP administration deliberately moves to destroy it. Which is apparently on the table ("Trump Threatens to Withhold Payments to Insurers to Press Democrats on Health Bill"). If that happens, yes, I would agree that we'll probably move to some form of single-payer within 5-10 years. But if it was "designed" with the intent that Trump and the GOP would destroy it, then the Dems have really been playing some 11-dimensional chess.

At the state-level the story is more varied, but in general states that have been implementing it well and as intended are doing fine and states that deliberately did the opposite are having a rockier time. Did the Dems trick Tennessee into deliberately undercutting their own individual market as part of some secret plan to force single-payer? If so, they're a lot savvier than I ever imagined. Somehow they knew all along that red states and the Congressional GOP would intentionally bungle things and force single-payer. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has been doing this for a decade and hasn't felt the need to pursue single-payer.[/url]

 

[S.J.]

But if it was "designed" with the intent that Trump and the GOP would destroy it, then the Dems have really been playing some 11-dimensional chess.

You obviously have no clue what I said. Have someone read it for you and explain it to you.

 

[Slashsnake]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?

Could it possibly be that Obamacare worked, and they didn't dare touch it? Much like they won't dare decrease spending on anything else?

Could it be that your noble Republican politicians are just interested in getting into power and staying there, and that none of them act on any principles?

No, that couldn't be. They are heroes fighting the evil Democrats.

Yep, totally worked. Look at those high monthly costs combined with high deductibles and max out of pocket costs.

Not to mention if I want to stop at my doctor's office and get looked at without insurance (they give pay in full customers a 15% discount), I'll still be fined $700 because of the old administration who treats adults like children and only wants to take away your freedom, not give you freedom.

First of all, it's not collapsing, nor is it going to ("No ‘Death Spiral’: Insurers May Soon Profit From Obamacare Plans, Analysis Finds";"Health insurers start getting the hang of Obamacare as GOP pushes replacement plan").

What you just explained is still a death spiral for Obamacare. The idea is that insurance companies don't make insane profits because of this law. Even then your source is B.S because insurance companies are slowly dropping out of the Obamacare guidelines like flies. Why don't you try thinking more than skin deep for a change?

 

[Greenbeard]

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What you just explained is still a death spiral for Obamacare. The idea is that insurance companies don't make insane profits because of this law.

A death spiral is not "insurance companies don't make insane profits."

It refers to an escalating deterioration of the risk pool, which obviously isn't happening here.

 

[Slashsnake]

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What you just explained is still a death spiral for Obamacare. The idea is that insurance companies don't make insane profits because of this law.

A death spiral is not "insurance companies don't make insane profits."

It refers to an escalating deterioration of the risk pool, which obviously isn't happening here.

No the death spiral is insurance companies beginning to make insane profits again, despite the regulations put in place to control their profits in favor of more coverage for the people. Obamacare is a failure, and this OP is an idiot. If Obamacare was a great law, Congress wouldn't be trying to hard to get rid of it.

 

[grainbely]

Oh gee, is that all?

What should it be?

The free market should determine it, not the government, and if you can't afford it you should not be forced to buy it.

Do you remember why the health care reform became a top priority to begin with?

Something about skyrocketing costs, 10s of millions uninsured, ballooning entitlements, and the links between the 3.

Your "shoulds" are fine but do not address the real world problems.

 

[S.J.]

Oh gee, is that all?

What should it be?

The free market should determine it, not the government, and if you can't afford it you should not be forced to buy it.

Do you remember why the health care reform became a top priority to begin with?

Something about skyrocketing costs, 10s of millions uninsured, ballooning entitlements, and the links between the 3.

Your "shoulds" are fine but do not address the real world problems.

It was not a priority with the people, it was liberal politicians who were pushing it, and many of the 10s of millions who had no insurance didn't have it because they didn't want it.

 

[dblack]

Oh gee, is that all?

What should it be?

The free market should determine it, not the government, and if you can't afford it you should not be forced to buy it.

Do you remember why the health care reform became a top priority to begin with?

Something about skyrocketing costs, 10s of millions uninsured, ballooning entitlements, and the links between the 3.

Your "shoulds" are fine but do not address the real world problems.

It was not a priority with the people, it was liberal politicians who were pushing it, and many of the 10s of millions who had no insurance didn't have it because they didn't want it.

ACA very quickly turned into a feed trough for lobbyists. If Congress had been more interested in addressing the problems with the health care market, and less preoccupied with peddling influence, we might have seen real reform.

 

[froggy]

then why didn't Trump and your noble Republican politicians repeal it?

Could it possibly be that Obamacare worked, and they didn't dare touch it? Much like they won't dare decrease spending on anything else?

Could it be that your noble Republican politicians are just interested in getting into power and staying there, and that none of them act on any principles?

No, that couldn't be. They are heroes fighting the evil Democrats.

ObamaCare — the myth of pre-existing conditions

 

[The Derp]

No the death spiral is insurance companies beginning to make insane profits again, despite the regulations put in place to control their profits in favor of more coverage for the people. Obamacare is a failure, and this OP is an idiot. If Obamacare was a great law, Congress wouldn't be trying to hard to get rid of it.

No one said Obamacare was great, but it is a marked improvement over the system prior to 2010. If Obamacare was as bad as Conservatives say, they would have a replacement plan ready to go since they had seven fucking years to come up with one.

Instead, they produce the garbage that they won't even show to the Public today. Which means they never really intended to repeal Obamacare, but used it for political gain.

Same goes for Jobs too.