I've been playing games since the odyssey 1 & 2 and I have to say the most punishing game I've ever played was Dark Souls. The new game launches on the 11th and it has me oddly excited. If you haven't played Dark Souls and you like rpg games you have got to give it a shot. It is an action/rpg that doesn't lock you into a particular play style. The boss battles are some of the best ever but be aware the gave has a very heavy penalty for death. Co-op with a friend or stranger is optional if you are in human form. Invasion of other players into your world is also possible. It is the only game I've ever played over & over. In fact I think it is my favorite game of all time. I will be playing the new one on 360, possibly a pc & ps3 copy as well, haven't decided yet. A next gen version has yet to be announced. If you're into Skyrim give this a shot, it's a much better game imo.