"Damn" that Atlantic Ocean.....

[QuickHitCurepon]

No man is an island so Trump is explaining that enough help has to get there eventually.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Our beloved Pres. Trump is doing a magnificent job for the American people.

We are lucky to have such an awesome President. .....

Yes, doing a great job for the "American people", doing a much worse job for the black people, Hispanic people, Native American people, Asian people, basically anyone who isn't white.

 

[AVISSSER]

Here are Trump's statements on why he's a bit "hesitant" to help out the American citizens in Puerto Rico.....

"It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

Perhaps someone should tell Trump that we have the U.S. Navy to overcome that "terrible" setback called an ocean (or perhaps someone should tell Trump that Puerto Rico is really in the Caribbean, and not in the middle of that ocean.)

Anyway, expect soon for Trump to blame Obama for leaving him with that huge problem called the Atlantic Ocean (which tends to not always be "pacific?")

The orange clown is, once again, showing the symptoms of the dreaded onset of dementia.

It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

That remark was the source of a good couple minutes worth of laughter a lunch today, mainly because it's such a insipid statement. We concluded that it was a shame none of us is an elementary school teacher for were one of us, he could find out whether 10 year-olds could think of something more thoughtful to say about helping Puerto Rico/Ricans.

He's musing on the difficulties involved. Can you get more anal? Trump has said far more than this one statement idiot.

Whatever....how does the army get supplies to people in remote locations?

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If Trump were determined to get men and supplies into Puerto Rico, the Atlantic Ocean need not be a problem. Doing so is a matter of will, not wherewithal.

The U.S. has used that method since at least the Korean War....You remember, back when America was great.​

Can these helicopters fly 2000 miles round trip from Miami?

Why would they need to? Hurricanes do not sneak up on countries. Maria most certainly didn't.

General Scenario Model

One sees hurricane coming, and thinks, "Oh this could be quite bad, and, hmmm...it's an island, so we'll need a ship." That much figured out one acts:

1. Load a freighter with the most basic of things -- water, MREs, meds, rescue equipment, maybe some generators and fuel -- that might be needed.in the immediate aftermath of the 'cane."
2. Send the freighter to safe open waters a day or so distant from the island.
3. Have the boat captain coordinate with weather people so the boat arrives offshore within an hour or so of the hurricane leaving.
4. Helicopter carried aboard the freighter ferries supplies and personnel onto the island.
5. Launch small beach-capable boats carrying rescue personnel and supplies from the freighter.

Obviously there are other planning approaches and more details that can be added, but the scenario model above should be enough for the "average bear" to get the gist of why a helicopter wouldn't need to fly 2000 miles from FL. It remains to be seen whether it's enough for the "average guy" to get it.

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Don't run a business do you?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Here are Trump's statements on why he's a bit "hesitant" to help out the American citizens in Puerto Rico.....

"It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

Perhaps someone should tell Trump that we have the U.S. Navy to overcome that "terrible" setback called an ocean (or perhaps someone should tell Trump that Puerto Rico is really in the Caribbean, and not in the middle of that ocean.)

Anyway, expect soon for Trump to blame Obama for leaving him with that huge problem called the Atlantic Ocean (which tends to not always be "pacific?")

The orange clown is, once again, showing the symptoms of the dreaded onset of dementia.

It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

That remark was the source of a good couple minutes worth of laughter a lunch today, mainly because it's such a insipid statement. We concluded that it was a shame none of us is an elementary school teacher for were one of us, he could find out whether 10 year-olds could think of something more thoughtful to say about helping Puerto Rico/Ricans.

He's musing on the difficulties involved. Can you get more anal? Trump has said far more than this one statement idiot.

Whatever....how does the army get supplies to people in remote locations?

​

If Trump were determined to get men and supplies into Puerto Rico, the Atlantic Ocean need not be a problem. Doing so is a matter of will, not wherewithal.

The U.S. has used that method since at least the Korean War....You remember, back when America was great.​

Can these helicopters fly 2000 miles round trip from Miami?

Why would they need to? Hurricanes do not sneak up on countries. Maria most certainly didn't.

General Scenario Model

One sees hurricane coming, and thinks, "Oh this could be quite bad, and, hmmm...it's an island, so we'll need a ship." That much figured out one acts:

1. Load a freighter with the most basic of things -- water, MREs, meds, rescue equipment, maybe some generators and fuel -- that might be needed.in the immediate aftermath of the 'cane."
2. Send the freighter to safe open waters a day or so distant from the island.
3. Have the boat captain coordinate with weather people so the boat arrives offshore within an hour or so of the hurricane leaving.
4. Helicopter carried aboard the freighter ferries supplies and personnel onto the island.
5. Launch small beach-capable boats carrying rescue personnel and supplies from the freighter.

Obviously there are other planning approaches and more details that can be added, but the scenario model above should be enough for the "average bear" to get the gist of why a helicopter wouldn't need to fly 2000 miles from FL. It remains to be seen whether it's enough for the "average guy" to get it.

​

Don't run a business do you?

1. Do you really want to make the conversation about me? I don't.
2. Do you genuinely want to know what I do for a living? If so: The Introduction of Xelor

 

[AVISSSER]

Here are Trump's statements on why he's a bit "hesitant" to help out the American citizens in Puerto Rico.....

"It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

Perhaps someone should tell Trump that we have the U.S. Navy to overcome that "terrible" setback called an ocean (or perhaps someone should tell Trump that Puerto Rico is really in the Caribbean, and not in the middle of that ocean.)

Anyway, expect soon for Trump to blame Obama for leaving him with that huge problem called the Atlantic Ocean (which tends to not always be "pacific?")

The orange clown is, once again, showing the symptoms of the dreaded onset of dementia.

It's very tough because it's an island...an island sitting in the middle of an ocean — and it's a big ocean. It's a very big ocean." “This isn’t like Florida...This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

That remark was the source of a good couple minutes worth of laughter a lunch today, mainly because it's such a insipid statement. We concluded that it was a shame none of us is an elementary school teacher for were one of us, he could find out whether 10 year-olds could think of something more thoughtful to say about helping Puerto Rico/Ricans.

He's musing on the difficulties involved. Can you get more anal? Trump has said far more than this one statement idiot.

Whatever....how does the army get supplies to people in remote locations?

​

If Trump were determined to get men and supplies into Puerto Rico, the Atlantic Ocean need not be a problem. Doing so is a matter of will, not wherewithal.

The U.S. has used that method since at least the Korean War....You remember, back when America was great.​

Can these helicopters fly 2000 miles round trip from Miami?

Why would they need to? Hurricanes do not sneak up on countries. Maria most certainly didn't.

General Scenario Model

One sees hurricane coming, and thinks, "Oh this could be quite bad, and, hmmm...it's an island, so we'll need a ship." That much figured out one acts:

1. Load a freighter with the most basic of things -- water, MREs, meds, rescue equipment, maybe some generators and fuel -- that might be needed.in the immediate aftermath of the 'cane."
2. Send the freighter to safe open waters a day or so distant from the island.
3. Have the boat captain coordinate with weather people so the boat arrives offshore within an hour or so of the hurricane leaving.
4. Helicopter carried aboard the freighter ferries supplies and personnel onto the island.
5. Launch small beach-capable boats carrying rescue personnel and supplies from the freighter.

Obviously there are other planning approaches and more details that can be added, but the scenario model above should be enough for the "average bear" to get the gist of why a helicopter wouldn't need to fly 2000 miles from FL. It remains to be seen whether it's enough for the "average guy" to get it.

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Don't run a business do you?

1. Do you really want to make the conversation about me? I don't.
2. Do you genuinely want to know what I do for a living? If so: The Introduction of Xelor

Well the only reason I stated that was because you want to fill a supertanker full of....rice, beans and band aids? In preparation for a hurricane that may or may not hit a US protectorate or just deploy men and materiel as if they grow on trees.
Kinda silly...Emergency Management much?

 

[usmbguest5318]

That remark was the source of a good couple minutes worth of laughter a lunch today, mainly because it's such a insipid statement. We concluded that it was a shame none of us is an elementary school teacher for were one of us, he could find out whether 10 year-olds could think of something more thoughtful to say about helping Puerto Rico/Ricans.

He's musing on the difficulties involved. Can you get more anal? Trump has said far more than this one statement idiot.

Whatever....how does the army get supplies to people in remote locations?

​

If Trump were determined to get men and supplies into Puerto Rico, the Atlantic Ocean need not be a problem. Doing so is a matter of will, not wherewithal.

The U.S. has used that method since at least the Korean War....You remember, back when America was great.​

Can these helicopters fly 2000 miles round trip from Miami?

Why would they need to? Hurricanes do not sneak up on countries. Maria most certainly didn't.

General Scenario Model

One sees hurricane coming, and thinks, "Oh this could be quite bad, and, hmmm...it's an island, so we'll need a ship." That much figured out one acts:

1. Load a freighter with the most basic of things -- water, MREs, meds, rescue equipment, maybe some generators and fuel -- that might be needed.in the immediate aftermath of the 'cane."
2. Send the freighter to safe open waters a day or so distant from the island.
3. Have the boat captain coordinate with weather people so the boat arrives offshore within an hour or so of the hurricane leaving.
4. Helicopter carried aboard the freighter ferries supplies and personnel onto the island.
5. Launch small beach-capable boats carrying rescue personnel and supplies from the freighter.

Obviously there are other planning approaches and more details that can be added, but the scenario model above should be enough for the "average bear" to get the gist of why a helicopter wouldn't need to fly 2000 miles from FL. It remains to be seen whether it's enough for the "average guy" to get it.

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Don't run a business do you?

1. Do you really want to make the conversation about me? I don't.
2. Do you genuinely want to know what I do for a living? If so: The Introduction of Xelor

Well the only reason I stated that was because you want to fill a supertanker full of....rice, beans and band aids? In preparation for a hurricane that may or may not hit a US protectorate or just deploy men and materiel as if they grow on trees.
Kinda silly...Emergency Management much?

Seriously?

What did you write?

Can these helicopters fly 2000 miles round trip from Miami?

What was the first sentence of my response to that remark?

Why would they need to?

The point of my post was that a helicopter can be launched from a boat, one that is just offshore, perhaps but not necessarily anchored in the harbor of the affected place...it wouldn't even have to be docked...just there in the water and equipped with smaller craft -- helicopters, inflatables, whatever...

you want to fill a supertanker full of....rice, beans and band aids?

??? WTH? If I'd have posted this photo....

....would you have thought I wanted to send a pleasure yacht?

Had I posted this photo....

...would you have thought I wanted to send specifically Paul Allen's boat?

Yes, the images I showed were really big freighters. That was out of convenience. Any ship big enough to carry a good amount of relief supplies and a helicopter would do. To wit, what ships are they FINALLY sending?

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An aircraft carrier is fine too. Any aircraft carrier loaded with relief supplies more so than with battle equipment would be fine. Offload to an Air Force base (or regular airport) m some of the fighter jets and bombers, etc. and in the space they'd occupy, put bottled water, bandages, MREs, generators, etc. Or don't offload planes and simply load up the thing with supplies and relief personnel -- it'll be cramped on board the ship until it gets to the destination, but that's okay...they'll be able to "make do."

You can the helipad better in the photo below

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A hospital ship essentially is a freighter, albeit maybe not a "superfreighter." The U.S. Navy has two: Comfort and Mercy.

The bigger picture point I have been making in my posts in this thread is that not having had at least a large relief ship of some sort -- specifically designated "hospital ship" or otherwise -- arriving within a couple hours or less of the hurricane's departure from Puerto Rico reflects grossly inept planning on the part of the Administration. Why?

• Hurricane season in the Atlantic happens every year from June to November. Is there any reason we could not station some sort of boat tasked (temporarily even) with being in the area so it's "Johnny on the Spot" showing up after a hurricane strikes? For the U.S., no, most especially with regard to our own citizens in mainland coastal states, PR and the USVI? As you can see, no major relief ship has arrived in PR as of Sept 26th. When did Maria leave PR? September 20th.
  
  Insofar as hurricane season comes annually just like Christmas, it's a wonder we don't every hurricane season have a major relief ship loaded up, ready to go, and assigned to a naval base somewhere in the Caribbean/Gulf of Mexico area bases. With that bit of advance preparation done, it's merely a matter of, once it becomes clear they'll be needed, calling up some quantity (30? 50? 100? I don't know the "right" number) of reserves or currently "activated-but-not-critically-needed-where-they-are" National Guard personnel (a few each from, say, ND, SD, MT, or wherever) and having them fly to the base to get on the boat and set sail.
  
  Note: One does not need to wait until after it hits and leaves to know that relief will be needed in a place that's dead in the sights of a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. One also doesn't need to wait for a hurricane (or any other natural disaster) to strike to have a relief boat loaded with and ready to go as soon as the supplemental crew of relief personnel arrive. (Relief boats like the Comfort have a "permanent" crew of about 15-25 people. Their crews are bumped up as needed, that is, when the ship is tasked with a specific mission.)
  
  
• As of September 18th, this was Maria's projected track. (Maria hit PR on Sept. 20th.)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  "The eye of Hurricane Maria is forecast to pass over the center of Puerto Rico on Wednesday. -- National Hurricane Center."
  
  The "cone" identifies the area the eye will follow. Looking at the projected track, anyone can see that PR was going to get hit hard, clobbered, no matter what...It was a Cat5 'cane. That was reasonably foreseeable and should have been planned for...if not to have significant resources on site within hours, at least to have significant resources on site within 24 hours rather than six days or more later.
• US Naval base at Guantanamo Bay is about 600 miles from PR. At the very least some sort of boat (with a helicopter or smaller launches onboard) could have been sent from there so we got relief efforts started immediately after Maria left PR. (Gitmo is just an example. I don't care which "nearby" base we use.)

Surely (?) you glean that the crux of my point is that all that as goes Maria and anticipating the need for relief, the Trump Administration dropped the ball, or perhaps never picked it up in the first place. To wit, it's clear that where the will exists to plan ahead, the U.S. government is quite capable of doing it.

• Advance planning re: hurricane Irma (Irma hit FL on Sept 10th)
  • Sept. 8th -- USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Iwo Jima, USS New York and USS Farragut Underway
  • Commander, U.S. Fleet Forces Command, Adm. Phil Davidson, has ordered the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72), amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7), and amphibious transport dock ship USS New York (LPD 21) to get underway Sept. 8, to be in position to provide humanitarian relief in support of federal, state and local authorities if requested...Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Farragut (DDG 99) is underway conducting local operations and has been ordered to join the group.
    
    Iwo Jima and New York departed Mayport, Florida, Sept. 5 and conducted an onload in Norfolk, Virginia, of more than 300 Marines and Sailors with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, and II Marine Expeditionary Force. The combined aircraft on all four ships are three CH-53E Marine Heavy Lift Helicopters, 10 MH-60S and 14 MH-60R Navy Medium Lift Helicopters. These ships are capable of providing medical support, maritime civil affairs, maritime security, expeditionary logistic support, medium and heavy lift air support, and bring a diverse capability including assessment and security.
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    USS New York -- San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock
    
    
    
    
    
    USS Farragut -- Arleigh Burke class destroyer
    
    
    

Now, you mean to tell me that we have the prescience and means to lay-on two aircraft carriers, a destroyer, amphibious landing/transport craft and several thousand men in advance of Irma, which hit the mainland US, but not Maria, which hit a U.S. island that has no nearby sources of relief? Well, you can think that all you want, but, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

 

[AVISSSER]

MOD EDIT -- Blown Quote Edit -- too complex to fix
General Scenario Model

One sees hurricane coming, and thinks, "Oh this could be quite bad, and, hmmm...it's an island, so we'll need a ship." That much figured out one acts:

1. Load a freighter with the most basic of things -- water, MREs, meds, rescue equipment, maybe some generators and fuel -- that might be needed.in the immediate aftermath of the 'cane."
2. Send the freighter to safe open waters a day or so distant from the island.
3. Have the boat captain coordinate with weather people so the boat arrives offshore within an hour or so of the hurricane leaving.
4. Helicopter carried aboard the freighter ferries supplies and personnel onto the island.
5. Launch small beach-capable boats carrying rescue personnel and supplies from the freighter.

Obviously there are other planning approaches and more details that can be added, but the scenario model above should be enough for the "average bear" to get the gist of why a helicopter wouldn't need to fly 2000 miles from FL. It remains to be seen whether it's enough for the "average guy" to get it.

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Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

 

[irosie91]

Our beloved Pres. Trump is doing a magnificent job for the American people.

We are lucky to have such an awesome President. .....

Yes, doing a great job for the "American people", doing a much worse job for the black people, Hispanic people, Native American people, Asian people, basically anyone who isn't white.

could you define "isn't white...." ????

 

[usmbguest5318]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Did you not read all of post 66, including the prelude to the concluding paragraph?

Now, you mean to tell me that we have the prescience and means to lay-on two aircraft carriers, a destroyer, amphibious landing/transport craft and several thousand men in advance of Irma, which hit the mainland US, but not Maria, which hit a U.S. island that has no nearby sources of relief? Well, you can think that all you want, but, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

 

[AVISSSER]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

Well, if you don't want to read what I write in response to your comments, that's fine with me, just don't reply to it if you have't read it all. Is no reply to remarks you haven't read really so hard to do?

 

[AVISSSER]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

Well, if you don't want to read what I write in response to your comments, that's fine with me, just don't reply to it if you have't read it all. Is no reply to remarks you haven't read really so hard to do?

No hard feelings bud, but your premise is flawed. In a perfect world where money and men grow like weeds it seems wonderful. Unfortunately.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

Well, if you don't want to read what I write in response to your comments, that's fine with me, just don't reply to it if you have't read it all. Is no reply to remarks you haven't read really so hard to do?

No hard feelings bud, but your premise is flawed. In a perfect world where money and men grow like weeds it seems wonderful. Unfortunately.

Just stop.....You didn't read post 66. You're making remarks that you don't realize have been pre-empted.

 

[Vandalshandle]

This just in. Trump tweeted, "Puerto Rico! My heart's devotion! Let it sink back in the ocean! Always the hurricanes blowing. Always the population growing! And the money owing! And the sunlight streaming! And the natives steaming! I like the Isle of Manhattan! So open your pipe and put that in!"

 

[AVISSSER]

Your premise is flawed because of the inherent unpredictability of tropical storms and hurricanes. Following your logic, every time something churns up during hurricane season we need to pack a tanker/freighter with men and materiel to sit idly by waiting for the storm to strike?
Logistically/monetarily it is not practicable in any way. Storms grow/shrink/eye walls collapse and then regain or dissipate. Wind patterns change and models are far from 100% reliable. Especially when factoring the hurricane activity of the past 10 years.
That is my point, not the type of sea vessel you chose. Sheesh...now please conduct Op UNWEDGE because your panties are bunching.

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

Well, if you don't want to read what I write in response to your comments, that's fine with me, just don't reply to it if you have't read it all. Is no reply to remarks you haven't read really so hard to do?

No hard feelings bud, but your premise is flawed. In a perfect world where money and men grow like weeds it seems wonderful. Unfortunately.

Just stop.....You didn't read post 66. You're making remarks that you don't realize have been pre-empted.

Stop? If you want...just trying to help.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Seriously, dude? Did you pay no mind to the dates noted in my remarks in post 66?

Nope...just the meat of the matter. I dont need to focus on the scratched chrome when the engine is on fire.

Well, if you don't want to read what I write in response to your comments, that's fine with me, just don't reply to it if you have't read it all. Is no reply to remarks you haven't read really so hard to do?

No hard feelings bud, but your premise is flawed. In a perfect world where money and men grow like weeds it seems wonderful. Unfortunately.

Just stop.....You didn't read post 66. You're making remarks that you don't realize have been pre-empted.

Stop? If you want...just trying to help.

You should probably help yourself. I'm quite good. TY.

 

[Political Junky]

"Surrounded by water .. big water .. ocean water." OMG