Creeping Totalitarianism

Bonnie

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www.townhall.com/columnists/edwinfeulner/printef20041116.shtml

It's company policy at the New York Times that opinion columnists may not officially endorse presidential candidates. Still, ther was no doubt during the past year which man most of the page's writers were backing.

A trio of hysterical pieces published Nov.4 confirmed that, ecah claiming that a nationwide outbreak of religious zealotry had led to Sen. John Kerry's defeat.

"The president got re-elected by dividing the country along the fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule," wailed Maureen Dowd.

Not to be outdone, Tom Friedman chipped in, "We don't just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is. Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferances and the marriage union they want to make?"

Well, a better qestion would be: Is America a country where poeple want to be governed by unelected judges? where a 4-3 decision of the Massachusettes Suprem Court is considered building on the rest of us? By passing defense of marriage amendments in all 11 states where they were on the ballot, voters indicated they want to govern themselves, not be ruled by a juducial elite.
But the most over-the-top Times piece came from an outsider, hisotrian Gary Wills. He claimes that Bush's re-election spelled the end of enlightnement. "The secular states of modern Europe do not understand the fundamentalism of the American electorate," Wills opines. "where else do we find fundamentalist zeal, a rage at secularity, religious intolerance, fear of and hatred for modernity? Not in France or Britain or Germany or Italy or Spain."

By all means let's compare ourselves with Europe. Consider Rocco Buttiglione. He was recently nominated for a job in the European Union as commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security. But there was a problem: Buttiglione is a devout Catholic, thus he believes in the importance of traditional marriage and thinks homosexuality is a sin.

Such views are unnaceptable in Wills' supposedly "enlightened" Europe, as Buttiglione found out during a three-hour inquisition before members of the European Parliament. Even when he gave reasonable answers, the Italian found himself under fire.

Meanwhile, freedom of religion is thriving in the U.S. This year's presidential election featured a well-known Protestant against a self- proclaimed Catholic. Four years ago, Joe Lieberman became the first Jewish man to run for national office. And we've already heard talk that Barak Obama, just elected to the Senate, may seek higher office in 2008. Obama's grandfather was Muslim.
The voters on Election Day simply prove that we'd prefer to ratain our traditional tolerance--even if doing so angers some at the New York Times
 
Bonnie said:
It's company policy at the New York Times that opinion columnists may not officially endorse presidential candidates. Still, ther was no doubt during the past year which man most of the page's writers were backing.

An "official" endorsement could be conflated with a NYTimes endorsement; but how can you expect an opinion columnist's opinion on a national election to remain latent?
 
nakedemperor said:
An "official" endorsement could be conflated with a NYTimes endorsement; but how can you expect an opinion columnist's opinion on a national election to remain latent?



Well, it's not really Bonnie's policy, is it? It's the NYT's - hollow, meaningless waste of air that it is. And, yeah - it might be a lot to ask of opinion columnists to keep their choices latent, but - DAMN, man! Did you read the statements made by Dowd, Friedman, and Wills??!!

BLATANT is more like it!
 
musicman said:
Well, it's not really Bonnie's policy, is it? It's the NYT's - hollow, meaningless waste of air that it is. And, yeah - it might be a lot to ask of opinion columnists to keep their choices latent, but - DAMN, man! Did you read the statements made by Dowd, Friedman, and Wills??!!

BLATANT is more like it!
Blatant and Ridiculous dribble!!!
 
musicman said:
Well, it's not really Bonnie's policy, is it? It's the NYT's - hollow, meaningless waste of air that it is. And, yeah - it might be a lot to ask of opinion columnists to keep their choices latent, but - DAMN, man! Did you read the statements made by Dowd, Friedman, and Wills??!!

BLATANT is more like it!

Blatant opinions in op-ed pieces? Heaven forbid.
 
nakedemperor said:
Blatant opinions in op-ed pieces? Heaven forbid.

Ross you know as well as we do it's a lot more than just the op ed pieces, their bias permeates every part of that newspaper form top down..........that's the problem

And many others!!
 
Bonnie said:
Ross you know as well as we do it's a lot more than just the op ed pieces, their bias permeates every part of that newspaper form top down..........that's the problem

And many others!!

Granted, but this thread was about three specific opinion columnists and a critique of their overt delivery of their liberal opinions.

Also, "top down" bias suggests that the problem lies not in the fact that journalists are generally (~70-90%) liberal, but that the top NYTimes editors, managers, etc. deliver liberal edicts to their employees; as far as I know, this is not the case. If 90% of your applicant pool is liberal, you'd be sacrificing quality journalists to hire 50% conservative and 50% liberal to your staff. The only "top down" examples of media bias I've seen concern the edicts delivered from Roger Ailes et al. to producers at the Fox News Channel. This may happen elsewhere, but I haven't specifically seen edicts conveying conservative viewpoints be stressed rather than liberals viewpoints outside of those delivered to FNC underlings. It may happen at the NYTimes, but its more likely just a function of staff.
 
http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20041013.asp

1. Since Memo, ABC Does Twice as Many Fact Checks on Bush as Kerry
ABC News "fact check" corrections for President Bush now at four-to-two over those for Senator Kerry since ABC News Political Director Mark Halperin's memo last Friday calling upon his colleagues to hold Bush more accountable since "the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done." After Friday's debate, ABC corrected two Bush claims but just one Kerry allegation and, in the first "fact check" since then, Tuesday's World News Tonight corrected two supposed Bush misstatements in a campaign speech, but just one Kerry charge. ABC's fresh corrections of Bush were for marginal misstatements at best, such as how Bush claimed Kerry "earned his ranking as the most liberal member of the United States Senate" when that rating was just for 2003 and over his career Kerry actually ranked as the "11th most liberal Senator." Peter Jennings also failed to correct his own inaccurate Friday night correction of Bush.
 
Halperin passed a memo saying "Bush is worse" as a matter of department policy. Do you consider this bias, NudistColony?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
Halperin passed a memo saying "Bush is worse" as a matter of department policy. Do you consider this bias, NudistColony?

There's a big difference between people who are naked and nudists :rolleyes:

Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the ABC memos. Fox ain't alone, apparently.
 
nakedemperor said:
Fox ain't alone, apparently.

Oh puhleeeze

Hey did your dad write one of those allegedly racist strips? I havent read all the details of that affair.
 
nakedemperor said:
Granted, but this thread was about three specific opinion columnists and a critique of their overt delivery of their liberal opinions.
Also, "top down" bias suggests that the problem lies not in the fact that journalists are generally (~70-90%) liberal,


90%?? What rarified air did you pull this stat from? Journalists are approx. 55-60% liberal. Conservative journalists make up about 20%, and 20% are centrist/moderate.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ntage+of+journalists+democrat+Princeton&hl=en

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CivilLiberty said:
90%?? What rarified air did you pull this stat from? Journalists are approx. 55-60% liberal. Conservative journalists make up about 20%, and 20% are centrist/moderate.

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You're right, I read that "media bias" doc and it said 92% of journalists voted against Bush in '92, and my selective memory turned that into a bad statistic.

Rgtwing--

I just can't ever help myself.. its a downward spiral
:whip:
 
rtwngAvngr said:
CivilLiberty's paper is old and outdated.

Get the real facts on media bias here.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/archive/realitycheck/welcome.asp


The piece I linked to was 2002, and took into account the last 15 years of SHIFT in the demographic.

The specific link you provided (Media Research) had no papers specific to liberal/moderate/conservative numbers in journalism. However, Media Research has been citing the 2004 PEW report on other pages. The link to the original report (PEW) that Media Research has been citing is here:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=829

Which states that at the NATIONAL level, journalists are 34% Liberal, 54% moderate, and the remainder conservative or "don't know". At the LOCAL level, Pew finds 23% Lib, 61% Moderate.

According to PEW, the general public is 20% Liberal 41% moderate, and 33% conservative.


So we see that there are certainly more liberals than conservative journalists, but "moderates" make up the majority - and a substantially larger percentage of of the "journalist" population than the public at large.

Instead of using the PEW report, I used the earlier Princeton research which shows a much higher percentage of both liberal and conservative journalists, and far fewer "moderates" as the PEW report.


Regards,



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Here's the thing: All moderates are liberals. I read it on a thread a DemocraticUnderground. They advocate lying about it.
 

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