Creationism and Darwin

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    As the debate rages over Creationism and the theory of evolution, there is one question I have that no one seems to want to address on the evolution side of the equation.

    One of science's basic laws is that "matter can neither be created or destroyed". Therefore, where did the matter come from that resulted in all that was, or all that is now? It had to come from somewhere, sometime. But if matter can not of itself be created then simple logic demands that someone had to create it out of nothing. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "What say you?"
     
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    Matter was created when the Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed the Great Sneeze.

    (I fear the coming of the Great Handkerchief).

    Sorry, couldn't resist. :D
     
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    Matter has always existed, as has energy. The amount of energy in the universe is constant. The amount of matter is constant.
     
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    simple logic would tell you that it has always been there......or since it is constant.....were is the matter comming from that allows the earths popolation to increase at a greater rate than it is dying?
     
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    Simple, not all populations are experiencing growth. True the HUMAN population is growing, but other species are dwindleing. So the matter which once made up a tree or a whale can eventually make up a human being.
     
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    The question still remains unanswered! Another law of science states that order can not be created out of chaos on its own. Therefore. matter could not come into being without some creating force since something can not come from nothing. The resulting order that ensued, according to the scientific law, had to have a guiding force to direct it or the chaos would still be in place and life as we know it, therefore, would not exist.
     
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    Ack! Entropy and thermodynamics make my head hurt.
     
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    Umm, what law is that one, exactly?
     
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    There are plenty of possibilities. First of all, that law is not exactly a law, as matter can become energy and vice versa.

    You should open your mind to possibilities that are not of this Universe. Does that include God? Absolutely. There are other possibilities too (which may or may not preclude the existance of God). Perhaps time is cyclical, and our Universe came after the destruction of a previous one.

    Or perhaps our Universe is nothing more than an input of energy from a black hole in another universe (this is known as a white hole).

    Science does not (yet) posit the answers to these questions. "What was there before the big bang?" is not a scientific question, but just a postulation... at this point in time.
     
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    The law of entropy. The chaos in an object is never eliminated, only moved to another object. According to this law, the universe will one day reach a state of entropy so high that life as we know it will no longer be capable of surviving. So just think, every time you hit something, set something on fire, or otherwise add the the randomness within an object, you are contributing to the end of the universe.
     

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