Court Denies Teen’s Wish to Refuse Cancer Treatment

[Procrustes Stretched]

We're not arguing whether the medical establishment is full of shit. I have been saying doctors are clueless for years. If you want to discuss that start another thread.

You posted that chemo would cure the girl. It most likely will not. It more than likely kills her.

No I posted that in these particular cases there is an 85% survival rate and 0% if you do nothing. Brush up on your comprehension skills.

Okay. Good point. Survival rate cited by the medical establishment is likely bogus...when you know cancer deaths are high, doctors with cancer refuse chemo 75% of the time, and overall they "cure" cancer patients less then 5% of the time...plus survival rate means cancer free only for five years and many who do live five years after chemo, get cancer again.

doctors refuse the treatment why?

they fear death less? they cherish quality of life better? they are more informed about it all?

you use percentages for - doctors refuse chemo 75% - yet then use the extremely subjective term 'many' with survivors-- is this like the drunk who when asked how many beer do you drink a day replies with a few hiding the fact few means a few cases?

You are not informed.

It was reported years ago that docs refuse chemo. If you don't know why, you are TERRIBLY uninformed.

Ever heard of Google?

Google this:
75% of physicians in the world refuse chemotherapy for themselves

Some cancer patients do survive chemo treatments...MANY of whom later contract cancer again and DIE! I suspect English is not your first language...if it is, my apologizes.

gipper

reading and comprehension not a strong suit for you? tsk, tsk, tsk so sorry

again: doctors refuse the treatment why?

they fear death less? they cherish quality of life better? they are more informed about it all?

you use percentages for - doctors refuse chemo 75% - yet then use the extremely subjective term 'many' with survivors-- is this like the drunk who when asked how many beer do you drink a day replies with a few hiding the fact few means a few cases?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Chemo is poison. It is not medicine...and it does kill people all the time.

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So poison is never medicine?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

She should have every right to refuse,chemo is a hard row and there are no guarantee's ,with that said she should do the treatment,but its her choice,I am contemplating cutting a few treatment off my schedule,its very hard on ones body,chemo after all are toxins that kill indiscriminately.

great legal argument.

you should reinvent yourself

Wasn't meant to be one,crawl back under your rock

yet you are in the Law and Justice forum?

funny that

 

[gipper]

Chemo is poison. It is not medicine...and it does kill people all the time.

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So poison is never medicine?

You are a dickhead...aren't you?

And not very bright.

 

[gipper]

You posted that chemo would cure the girl. It most likely will not. It more than likely kills her.

No I posted that in these particular cases there is an 85% survival rate and 0% if you do nothing. Brush up on your comprehension skills.

Okay. Good point. Survival rate cited by the medical establishment is likely bogus...when you know cancer deaths are high, doctors with cancer refuse chemo 75% of the time, and overall they "cure" cancer patients less then 5% of the time...plus survival rate means cancer free only for five years and many who do live five years after chemo, get cancer again.

doctors refuse the treatment why?

they fear death less? they cherish quality of life better? they are more informed about it all?

you use percentages for - doctors refuse chemo 75% - yet then use the extremely subjective term 'many' with survivors-- is this like the drunk who when asked how many beer do you drink a day replies with a few hiding the fact few means a few cases?

You are not informed.

It was reported years ago that docs refuse chemo. If you don't know why, you are TERRIBLY uninformed.

Ever heard of Google?

Google this:
75% of physicians in the world refuse chemotherapy for themselves

Some cancer patients do survive chemo treatments...MANY of whom later contract cancer again and DIE! I suspect English is not your first language...if it is, my apologizes.

gipper

reading and comprehension not a strong suit for you? tsk, tsk, tsk so sorry

again: doctors refuse the treatment why?

they fear death less? they cherish quality of life better? they are more informed about it all?

you use percentages for - doctors refuse chemo 75% - yet then use the extremely subjective term 'many' with survivors-- is this like the drunk who when asked how many beer do you drink a day replies with a few hiding the fact few means a few cases?

You idiot.

Doctors refuse chemo because they know it does not work and it might kill them...fool.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You idiot.

Doctors refuse chemo because they know it does not work and it might kill them...fool.

gipper
Nope. You cannot find that in a link to a study.

that is something your twisted little mind made up

next

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Chemo is poison. It is not medicine...and it does kill people all the time.

\
So poison is never medicine?

You are a dickhead...aren't you?

And not very bright.

10 Poisons Used To Save Lives - Listverse

 

[gipper]

You idiot.

Doctors refuse chemo because they know it does not work and it might kill them...fool.

gipper
Nope. You cannot find that in a link to a study.

that is something your twisted little mind made up

next

Dunce!!!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You idiot.

Doctors refuse chemo because they know it does not work and it might kill them...fool.

gipper
Nope. You cannot find that in a link to a study.

that is something your twisted little mind made up

next

Dunce!!!

you can't even answer such a simple request you made shit up

how pathetic

 

[Politico]

What are you retarded? Again we are not talking about the idiot medical establishment. Reality is what it is. If you do nothing you die. If you do something you have a chance.

You are wrong. Doing nothing is better than administering chemo. This is well known by knowledgeable people.

So you are retarded. Got it.

 

[gipper]

What are you retarded? Again we are not talking about the idiot medical establishment. Reality is what it is. If you do nothing you die. If you do something you have a chance.

You are wrong. Doing nothing is better than administering chemo. This is well known by knowledgeable people.

So you are retarded. Got it.

Anyone who merely does a cursory review of the effectiveness of chemo, knows how ineffective and damaging it is.

Please get informed or stop posting.

 

[Politico]

Anyone who thinks not doing any kind of treatment will result in cancer fairies curing them needs to get informed.

 

[gipper]

Anyone who thinks not doing any kind of treatment will result in cancer fairies curing them needs to get informed.

Strawman....

I never stated I believe doing nothing is the proper treatment. Why have you chosen to lie?

I did state doing nothing is better than doing chemo, but I suspect you are not able to decipher the difference.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Couldn't believe this decision. Hope it gets appealed. Can enlist in the military at 17 (can't deploy to a warzone until 18 but still.) 17's pleanty old enough to refuse medical treatment.

Her arguement was retarded though not wanting chemotherapies "poisons" in her body. Uh, miss, there's a poison in your body already and it'll kill you. That being the case, if another poison will kill the first poison saving your life...

But if she wants to die let her. Screw her.

 

[gipper]

Couldn't believe this decision. Hope it gets appealed. Can enlist in the military at 17 (can't deploy to a warzone until 18 but still.) 17's pleanty old enough to refuse medical treatment.

Her arguement was retarded though not wanting chemotherapies "poisons" in her body. Uh, miss, there's a poison in your body already and it'll kill you. That being the case, if another poison will kill the first poison saving your life...

But if she wants to die let her. Screw her.

Chemo kills...


Here’s what Dr. Allen Levin says about this topic: “Most cancer patients in this country die of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade, yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumors.” In his book, The Topic of Cancer: When the Killing Has to Stop, Dick Richards cites a number of autopsy studies which have shown that cancer patients actually died from conventional treatments before the tumor had a chance to kill them.

Just think about it…

To put it plainly, the treatment kills them before the cancer kills them. As a matter of fact, the chemotherapy drug 5FU is sometimes referred to by doctors as “5 feet under” because of its deadly side effects. For most adult cancers, the typical best case scenario is that the “Big 3” buys a little time. In a worst case scenario, you will die from the treatment rather than the disease.

In his book, When Healing Becomes a Crime, Kenny Ausubel notes that in a trial on a chemotherapy drug tested for leukemia, a whopping 42% of the patients died directly from the toxicity of the chemotherapy drug!

Here are the facts. In 1942, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center quietly began to treat breast cancer with these mustard gas derivatives. No one was cured. Chemotherapy trials were also conducted at Yale around 1943 where 160 patients were treated. Again, no one was cured.

According to Dr. John Diamond, M.D., “A study of over 10,000 patients shows clearly that chemo’s supposedly strong track record with Hodgkin’s disease (lymphoma) is actually a lie. Patients who underwent chemo were 14 times more likely to develop leukemia and 6 times more likely to develop cancers of the bones, joints, and soft tissues than those patients who did not undergo chemotherapy.”

Dr. Glenn Warner, who died in 2000, was one of the most highly qualified cancer specialists in the United States. He used alternative treatments on his cancer patients with great success. On the treatment of cancer in this country he said: “We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and left, just for financial gain. Their idea of research is to see whether two doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison.”

Dr. Alan C. Nixon, past president of the American Chemical Society writes, “As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good.” And according to Dr. Charles Mathe, French cancer specialist, “…if I contracted cancer, I would never go to a standard cancer treatment centre. Only cancer victims who live far from such centres have a chance.”

Yet, day after day, year after year, the Cancer Industry continues to put these toxic chemicals into the bodies of cancer patients. And the patients let them do it, even volunteering for new “guinea pig” studies, simply because someone with a degree from a school of disease (also known as medical school) told them it was their “only option.” It costs lots of money for them to poison the body of cancer patients, and the patients gladly pay it. Sadly, some people will spend six figures a year poisoning their bodies because their “doctor told them to do it.”

The truth is that there are many effective natural cancer treatments that don’t require a barbaric procedure like chemotherapy.
FACT Chemotherapy KILLS More People Than It Cures HealthWars.co

 

[El Gato]

There are many situations in which adolescents have been given adult status. The general criterion is that the adolescent have an understanding of the situation. From what I've read about this case, this teen thinks the illness will do less damage to her body than the chemo. Truly, that is not an understanding of the situation. Chemo may not cure her, but the illness will, without it, kill her. If she were voicing an understanding of that, then I think most would be comfortable with her wishes.

Geez....chemo almost NEVER cures anyone, but does kill many.

So, what of all those patents who had chemo and are now alive because of it? Care to tell them that chemo doesn't work?

No one else is part of this picture except as participants in former research studies. It is the MDs responsibility to educate the patient about the risk, benefits, and alternatives to treatment. Some patients do not have capacity to understand that education, and some doctors simply don't bother. I don't know if this is a case of either situation, but the court saw fit to make a ruling on the decision.

 

[El Gato]

Couldn't believe this decision. Hope it gets appealed. Can enlist in the military at 17 (can't deploy to a warzone until 18 but still.) 17's pleanty old enough to refuse medical treatment.

Her arguement was retarded though not wanting chemotherapies "poisons" in her body. Uh, miss, there's a poison in your body already and it'll kill you. That being the case, if another poison will kill the first poison saving your life...

But if she wants to die let her. Screw her.

Yes, as long as you understand the risks, benefits, and alternatives. If you cannot understand any or all of those things, then you do not have capacity to consent.

 

[Politico]

Anyone who thinks not doing any kind of treatment will result in cancer fairies curing them needs to get informed.

Strawman....

I never stated I believe doing nothing is the proper treatment. Why have you chosen to lie?

I did state doing nothing is better than doing chemo, but I suspect you are not able to decipher the difference.

And I stated you were an idiot.

 

[ChrisL]

Anyone who thinks not doing any kind of treatment will result in cancer fairies curing them needs to get informed.

Some people are just going to insist that doctors and healthcare workers are just in some conspiracy.

 

[gipper]

Anyone who thinks not doing any kind of treatment will result in cancer fairies curing them needs to get informed.

Some people are just going to insist that doctors and healthcare workers are just in some conspiracy.

I posted several doctors who have stated chemo does not work, yet you people what to continue believing in fantasies.

If you bother to get educated on this issue, you will find hundreds if not thousands of doctors and scientists who know chemo is ineffective and dangerous.

But many of you prefer to live in ignorance and denial...and then condemn those who expose the fraud that is chemo.