red states rule
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Let me give it to you in these words: I am not going to pay local taxes and fees to enforce a federal law and lose out on a local sidewalk so my child can walk to school in safety so you don't have to pay as much in federal taxes to enforce a federal law. In my community there is a specific area where there is no sidewalk and children and people have to walk down the side of the street every day because it is near a school and church and yet you expect us to use our local resources to enforce a federal law. The list of sidewalk repairs and construction is lengthy by the way and we haven't even put a dent in it yet.
That is all the fact that matters. My local taxes and fees are intended to fund local needs and not enforcement of federal laws. You may not realize it but cities are not agencies of the federal government and our taxes are not going to be used to subsidize you or your family because your state or the federal government provides free social services to illegal immigrants who don't pay state or federal taxes. Take it up with your State and Federal officials in your State Legislature or the Congress.
There is no monetary incentive to cities to pay for the enforcement of federal laws because we lose nothing from having illegal immigrants in the city anymore than we do people who visit our community from England, Scotland, Germany, France, Russia or anywhere else. Illegals benefit our communites the same as tourists do. We don't lose anything from having illegals or visitors in our cities. Absolutely nothing! They can be renting an apartment or hotel room and we get property tax, they can buy food from the grocery store or a restaurant and we get sales tax or they could be paying for phonse services in their homes or as part of their hotel bills and we get 9-1-1 fees. So I really don't give a damn if you are upset that cities aren't using local revenues to subsidize the federal government be enforcing federal laws. I am outraged that the federal government isn't enforcing immigration laws and expect local communities to do so because it is outrageous because that is what I pay federal taxes for. If they aren't going to do their damn jobs than they can give us a damn refund or repeal the law since it makes no damn sense to have cities enforce it when we have other needs we can use our resources on such as city roads, city infrastructure, etc.
Illegals get more in services then they pay in taxes. They are a drain on the Federal, state, and local budgets
low-skill immigrant households pay less in taxes than do other households. On average, low-skill immigrant households paid only $10,573 in taxes in FY 2004. Thus, low-skill immigrant households received nearly three dollars in immediate benefits and services for each dollar in taxes paid.
A household's net fiscal deficit equals the cost of benefits and services received minus taxes paid. When the costs of direct and means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services are counted, the average low-skill household had a fiscal deficit of $19,588 (expenditures of $30,160 minus $10,573 in taxes).
At $19,588, the average annual fiscal deficit for low-skill immigrant households was nearly twice the amount of taxes paid. In order for the average low-skill household to be fiscally solvent (taxes paid equaling immediate benefits received), it would be necessary to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, all means-tested welfare, and to cut expenditures on public education roughly in half.
American families often are net tax payers during working age and net tax takers (benefits exceeding taxes) dur*ing retirement. This is not the case for low-skill immigrant households; in these households benefits substantially exceed taxes at every age level. Consequently, low-skill immigrant households impose substantial long-term costs on the U.S. taxpayer. Assuming an average adult life span of 60 years for each head of household, the average lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be nearly $1.2 million for each low-skill household for immediate benefits received minus all taxes paid.
As noted, in 2004, there were 4.5 million low-skill immigrant households. With an average net fiscal deficit of $19,588 per household, the total annual fiscal deficit for all of these households together equaled $89.1 billion (the deficit of $19,588 per household times 4.54 million low-skill immigrant households). Over the next ten years, the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion.
Current immigrants (both legal and illegal) have very low education levels relative to the non-immigrant U.S. population. At least 50 percent and perhaps 60 percent of illegal immigrant adults lack a high school degree.[1] Among legal immigrants the situation is better, but a quarter still lack a high school diploma. Overall, a third of immigrant households are headed by individuals without a high school degree. By contrast, only 9 percent of non-immigrant adults lack a high school degree. The current immigrant population thus contains a disproportionate share of poorly educated individuals. These individuals will tend to have low wages, pay little in taxes, and receive above average levels of government benefits and services.
http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm