Could we put the lies about Biden to bed now?

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  1. The Original Tree
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    Why did The Obama Administration throw Millions of Dollars in to The Ukraine Elections to Prop up Corrupt Ukrainian Politicians and to help defeat unsuccessfully The Anti - Corruption Government that was elected in The Ukraine?

    Hell, while I am at it, why did Obama do the same and throw millions of dollars in to The Israeli Elections? Why did he have CIA Operatives in Ukraine and Israel trying to interfere in those elections?
     
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    George Soros paid for those Protests because Shokin was investigating SOROS inteference in Elections.

    Joe Biden extorted The Ukraine to get both The Burisma Investigation Shut Down, and The Investigation in to Soros Election Tampering and Interference shut down.

    Soros is a major donor both to ANTIFA, MoveOn.Org, sponsored numerous Caravan Invasions at our Southern Border and gives BILLIONS to other Leftist Socialist Groups, and is a major donor to both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama....and best yet, JOE BIDEN.


    Just a word of advice. You aren't dealing with an uninformed useful idiot and pawn of Communists and Socialists that you usually are used to dealing with and who are easily swayed by your bullshit.
     
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    Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.
     
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    It is a matter of perspective. If you continue to REFUSE to address the perspective of half the nation, there can BE NO CONVERSATION.

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    Please address posts #32



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    Why do you refuse to address this?

    Is the Trump Ukraine Controversy Much Ado About Nothing?
    Is the Trump Ukraine Controversy Much Ado About Nothing?

    “It was in February when Yanukovych was overthrown, and just a few months later (in May), Joe Biden’s son and a close friend of John Kerry’s stepson, they both join the board of this Ukrainian gas company. And the name of that was Burisma Holdings,” said Joe Lauria, editor of Consortium News and a former correspondent for the Wall Street Journal. “So just after an American-backed coup, you have Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden and this John Kerry family friend joining the board of probably the largest private gas producer in Ukraine.”

    “[T]hey installed the new government, and as the bounty of this coup, Joe Biden’s son personally profited. He would not have gotten that job if Yanukovych was still in power,” Lauria told the National Interest.


    Nor is this all. “I think it was totally inappropriate for the son of the vice president of the United States to be sitting on the board of a Ukrainian company while we had a close relationship with that government of Ukraine. Absolutely that was inappropriate,” says Professor Keith Darden of American University. “Apparently technically it doesn’t violate U.S. law, but it certainly impeded the work that we were trying to do in Ukraine: anti-nepotism, anti-corruption. It looked like the United States was engaging in some very Ukrainian corrupt practices.”

    Darden believes that if Trump promised Zelensky financial aid in exchange for the Ukrainian government investigating Hunter Biden, this would be an abuse of power. If he merely pressured him without and explicit quid pro quo, then it would be inappropriate but not necessarily illegal.


    Rudy Giuliani met with Ukrainian officials multiple times over the summer. “I found out this incredible story about Joe Biden, that he bribed the President of the Ukraine in order to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son. That is an astounding scandal of major proportions,” Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo last night.

    Giuliani is referring to Viktor Shokin, former general prosecutor of Ukraine who was dismissed in March 2016. A former Obama State Department official speaking to the National Interest said, “I can say with great confidence that the desire to fire Shokin was a kind of multiagency, multiperson desire, in no sense was that driven by the vice president . . . that assumption is false.” The former official did confirm, however, that Joe Biden was “very involved” in Yanukovych’s fall from power but could not speak to the circumstances surrounding Hunter Biden’s appointment in April to the board of Burisma Holdings.
     
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    We don’t investigate corruption. Being corrupt in Ukraine doesn’t violate our laws. We are trying to help Ukraine build a legal system to combat corruption because that’s good for Ukrainians and good for the US. Part of bullring a legal system to combat corruption would be to get rid of prosecutors who are corrupt, such as Viktor Shokin.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    The People he was investigating fled to Russia. Joe Biden Extorted Ukraine in to firing Shokin. Shokin is a Free Man in Ukraine still practicing law and has an ordinary car and an ordinary home.

    Usually people involved in corruption enrich themselves and flee the country when they are about to be made accountable for their corruption.

    Shokin has not been charged with a single crime, so please explain FACTUALLY why you assert he is corrupt which is what The Corrupt Politicians who fled to RUSSIA asserted.
     
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    correct... and Trump is being accused of high crimes, the republican attorney that they brought in front of congress even said as much. Now whether the Dems prove that case and convince the people that the events, evidence and supporting testimonies outlining these crimes happened is where we are at with impeachment
     
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    They didn’t do that. Why are you propping up corrupt government officials and saying that they were anti-corruption? That goes against our intel and our allies intel.
     
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    The judicial system of Ukraine remains quite corrupt. That may change soon, but the fact that he isn’t charged is hardly exculpatory. That’s true for many corrupt people who are in Ukraine.

    Please use names instead of pronouns. It’s hard to tell who you’re referring to when you say “The Corrupt Politicians”.
     
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    A person would have to be incredibly stupid to think Hunter got that job based upon his own merits.

    Since he was so obviously unqualied, only an incredibly stupid person would fail to ask WHY he got that job.

    when asked why he got that job, only an incredibly stupid person would arrive at .the conclusion that it could not be anything BUT the influence he delivers by way of his father.

    It's just basic logic, boys and girls .
     
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