Could this actually work?

[RWNJ]

Let's assume, for a moment, that it was possible to generate a black hole at a fixed distance from a space craft. The theory is that the black hole would draw the ship forward. Since the black hole is generated from the ship itself, it would remain the same distance away while pulling the ship after it.

Now I'm no physicist, but I believe that such an arrangement would violate a couple of laws of physics. Comments?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

 

[RWNJ]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

 

[Montrovant]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

That only makes sense if the black hole disappears as soon as the generation from the ship ends. Otherwise, once it is created, it exists independent of the ship and anything the ship may do.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

 

[RWNJ]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Only problem is, you can't create a tame black hole. If it is capable of pulling a ship, it is beyond control of those on the ship. You would be better off using the black hole as a way to fold space to travel across the galaxy.

That is scientifically and mathematically possible.

Tame black holes aren't.

And decent science nerd would tear your theory apart in a matter of seconds.

 

[westwall]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

 

[RWNJ]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

How are you going to fix the distance? Anything that is past the event horizon is affected by the black hole and drawn towards it, but when it hits the event horizon, it gets sucked in. Any black hole capable of generating enough gravity to move a ship is too big to be controlled by it.

Besides, to "fix" the distance between the ship and the black hole would require a force much stronger than gravity itself. And, if it is at a fixed distance, why would the black hole only draw the ship to itself? What about everything else around it? You'd be sucking in comets, meteors and space debris, which would result in a very perilous situation for those on the ship.

Again................nope, the idea won't work.

 

[Montrovant]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

If the ship has enough power to move a black hole around, why not just use that power to move the ship?

 

[westwall]

Actually, there is no safe way to generate a black hole. Yes, it will pull everything at the event horizon into it, but it will also travel where IT wants to go, not where the ship wants it to go. When gravity gets to the force of a black hole, there is nothing in this universe that can stop it.

Incidentally, did you know there are several black holes at the center of our galaxy? Some theorize that is what holds it together.

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

 

[RWNJ]

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

How are you going to fix the distance? Anything that is past the event horizon is affected by the black hole and drawn towards it, but when it hits the event horizon, it gets sucked in. Any black hole capable of generating enough gravity to move a ship is too big to be controlled by it.

Besides, to "fix" the distance between the ship and the black hole would require a force much stronger than gravity itself. And, if it is at a fixed distance, why would the black hole only draw the ship to itself? What about everything else around it? You'd be sucking in comets, meteors and space debris, which would result in a very perilous situation for those on the ship.

Again................nope, the idea won't work.

It would not take much gravity to move a ship. Just a gentle tug. The effect is cumulative, so even a weak attraction would eventually produce some impressive speed. You wouldn't have to worry about attracting anything else because the effect would be localized. You really don't need a lot of mass for a black hole. It is density that matters. Nothing else. Also, since the black hole is created by pumping in lots of energy, and would disappear as soon as that flow of energy stopped, it is something that would appear wherever that energy was directed. In this case, in front of the ship.

 

[RWNJ]

Since the ship is generating the black hole at a fixed distance in front of itself, the black hole will not move on it's own. So, when it's gravity pulls the ship forward, it moves with the ship. Whichever way the ship is pointing is where the black hole will be. BTW, we're not talking about a black hole with stellar mass. It's a small singularity with just enough gravity to draw the ship forward. It's a 'tame' black hole.

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

 

[westwall]

No such animal as a "tame" black hole. The forces required to create them and the amount of mass that has to be compacted is enormous. Yes, scientists have been able to generate small ones, but they are microscopic and wink out of existence in a very short time only 30 femtoseconds, which is a really short period of time.

Here........................educate yourself.........................

Scientists created a 'black hole' using this ultra-powerful laser

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

I did, and it is wrong. First off the amount of energy needed to generate a large black hole is beyond human ability. Secondly, if you were able to create a largeish one, it would immediately break free of whatever control you thought you had. As has been pointed out to you before, if you have the ability to generate a black hole, you have enough energy to go trans light speed. Far better to do that than putter along behind a black hole.

 

[RWNJ]

Quit being a prick. This is a hypothetical question, based on the ability to create a tame black hole. What I want to know is could a black hole that is artificially generated by a space ship be used to move the ship?

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

I did, and it is wrong. First off the amount of energy needed to generate a large black hole is beyond human ability. Secondly, if you were able to create a largeish one, it would immediately break free of whatever control you thought you had. As has been pointed out to you before, if you have the ability to generate a black hole, you have enough energy to go trans light speed. Far better to do that than putter along behind a black hole.

The black hole would not have to be large. And you're still harping about the impossibility of creating one, even after I pointed out that the question assumes the ability to create one. You're such a troll.

 

[westwall]

Once a black hole is created it moves how it will, based on the interaction of the various gravity wells it is near. As has been pointed out, there is no such thing as a tame black hole.

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

I did, and it is wrong. First off the amount of energy needed to generate a large black hole is beyond human ability. Secondly, if you were able to create a largeish one, it would immediately break free of whatever control you thought you had. As has been pointed out to you before, if you have the ability to generate a black hole, you have enough energy to go trans light speed. Far better to do that than putter along behind a black hole.

The black hole would not have to be large. And you're still harping about the impossibility of creating one, even after I pointed out that the question assumes the ability to create one. You're such a troll.

I am not a troll for disagreeing with you. I am a scientist so actually like to talk about science. Clearly you are just interested in fantasy so feel free to play with yourself.

 

[RWNJ]

You need to read what I posted again. The black hole is generated at a fixed distance in front of the ship. As the ship is drawn towards it, it remains the same distance from the ship. So, when the ship moves, the black hole moves with it.

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

I did, and it is wrong. First off the amount of energy needed to generate a large black hole is beyond human ability. Secondly, if you were able to create a largeish one, it would immediately break free of whatever control you thought you had. As has been pointed out to you before, if you have the ability to generate a black hole, you have enough energy to go trans light speed. Far better to do that than putter along behind a black hole.

The black hole would not have to be large. And you're still harping about the impossibility of creating one, even after I pointed out that the question assumes the ability to create one. You're such a troll.

I am not a troll for disagreeing with you. I am a scientist so actually like to talk about science. Clearly you are just interested in fantasy so feel free to play with yourself.

You are a troll. The question assumes that creating a singularity with a localized effect is possible. Instead of answering the question, you go on a rant about how it's impossible to create a black hole.

 

[Montrovant]

I read it, the black hole, once generated no longer interacts with the ship. It will only interact with the various gravity wells within it's sphere of influence. The ship instantly becomes a passenger. It is no longer able to interact with the black hole. The ship can't turn it off, it can't direct it's movement, it can now merely move as the black holes directs.

Read my last post.

I did, and it is wrong. First off the amount of energy needed to generate a large black hole is beyond human ability. Secondly, if you were able to create a largeish one, it would immediately break free of whatever control you thought you had. As has been pointed out to you before, if you have the ability to generate a black hole, you have enough energy to go trans light speed. Far better to do that than putter along behind a black hole.

The black hole would not have to be large. And you're still harping about the impossibility of creating one, even after I pointed out that the question assumes the ability to create one. You're such a troll.

I am not a troll for disagreeing with you. I am a scientist so actually like to talk about science. Clearly you are just interested in fantasy so feel free to play with yourself.

You are a troll. The question assumes that creating a singularity with a localized effect is possible. Instead of answering the question, you go on a rant about how it's impossible to create a black hole.

Again, unless creating this moveable black hole takes a surprisingly small amount of energy, why not simply use that energy to move the ship through a more conventional drive system?

 

[ABikerSailor]

I think RWNJ is confusing how a solar sail is used with a black hole.

And..................how would you possibly be able to "direct" a black hole? Like it's been pointed out by others and myself, if it is big enough to interact with the ship, it is too big to control.

Another question I have for the OP, how are you going to "direct" the gravity so it only interacts with the ship? Gravity isn't exactly directable.