Could America defeat an American guerrilla war?

[Mushroom]

How many of the Summer 2020 (AntiFa, BLM, etc.) rioters, looters, vandals, murders, and insurrectionists were arrested and sentenced?

Hell, they took over and occupied sections of cities. And nothing happened to them.

 

[JGalt]

Paper Ape

The Leftist Revolutionary Group is the Government. And they won't fight, because they're sissyboy nerds. They expect their pet savage minorities to be their army. But those thugs are wild, stupid, and disorganized, so it will be over with quick.

There are supposedly "81 million" of those fuckers who would try to fight the rest of us, if there were another civil war. But why should we be be scared? Half of them are dead or don't exist, and the rest don't even know what gender they are.

Yes. It would be over with quick.

 

[Mushroom]

There are supposedly "81 million" of those fuckers who would try to fight the rest of us, if there were another civil war. But why should we be be scared? Half of them are dead or don't exist, and the rest don't even know what gender they are.

ANTIFA is just a more violent version of the OWS insanity of a decade ago.

They are violent, and destructive. I watched them take over parts of Portland and Seattle, and a hell of a lot of people thought it was wrong for the President to declare them a terrorist group.

I doubt if any one of them has 81 million functioning brain cells in their heads. I see them as no different than the KPD in Germany. Just Communists that want to promote violence and disorder as a way to try and create their "New Paradise". And in doing so, thousands died, the country was torn apart, and allowed the NSDAP to rise to power. And the original ANTIFA was a key part in that. Most do not seem to realize that it was the violence of ANTIFA and the KPD that caused the NSDAP to militarize. And the KPD wanted the Weimar Republic to fail. They just never expected that instead of them taking charge, it was a different party that did so.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You seriously believe the Marines or the US Army is going to join in an insurrection?

None of the officers would.

Maybe a few of the enlisted.

During the Civil War, some soldiers went to the Confederate side, but the US Army didn't dissolve.

I doubt any modern generals would join a new rebel cause.

More Army officers went over to the Confederacy than stayed with the Union. The officers who became Confederates were the cream of the Army. That’s how the Confederacy survived three years against a far better equipped and supplied Union Army.

 

[Mushroom]

More Army officers went over to the Confederacy than stayed with the Union.

No, the ones that left were from that region. In fact, one of the issues prior to the war was that in many ways the Army Officer Corps was a "Southern Gentleman's Club". And that was a civil war driven not as much by ideological beliefs but regional differences. The "United States" at that time was still not very "united", and people tended to identify more with their home state than the country as a whole.

The modern concept of being in the "United States" and an "American" actually dates to the post-Civil War era.

And no, "most" did not go join the Confederates. Once again, you simply make things up because you believe them to be true. And never even bother to see if what you are saying is true or not.

In 1960, the US Army had a total of 1,108 officers. And out of all of those, a total of 313 resigned. That is less than one third of all officers, nowhere even close to half let alone "most".

Of those, a grand total of 270 went on to fight for the Confederacy. So now we are down to less than one quarter of officers leaving the Union to fight for the Confederacy.

Altogether, there were 1,108 officers In the U.S. Army in December 1860. Of these, 313 resigned, 270 going South, 244 without penalty. Nineteen tendered resignations but were dismissed, and seven were dropped from the rolls without having resigned.

To Resign or Not: Southern Officers in Washington Territory on the Ev

On the eve of the Civil War, United States Army regiments west of the Rocky Mountains were little more than a frontier police force, isolated, undermanned, underpaid, and poorly provisioned. The situ

www.historylink.org

See that? That is known as a "reference". It is commonly used by people that want to show that they are simply making things up because they want people to believe them. Something I seem to be doing all the time with you, because you post such nonsense that is not even close to the reality.

SO please, care to provide a reference that proves that over 60^ of US officers resigned and went to fight for the Confederacy?

 

[Stryder50]

Hell, they took over and occupied sections of cities. And nothing happened to them.

"Autonomous Zone" meant not subject to the laws of city, county, State, or Nation.
Sounds like not only insurrection, but secession.

 

[Stryder50]

I don't think a determined populace who engages in guerilla warfare can be defeated. History pretty much proves that out.

History pretty much points out that such a determined populace will need outside support from other nations/factions to defeat an internal enemy such as their government.

 

[Stryder50]

China would gladly supply the Cartel’s in Mexico with the weapons that would be sold here in the States, so yes it could happen and you must remember the Military would also be split, so yes a war could be fought but the U.N. would put boots on the ground to try to stop it…

The U.N. has to get such "peace keeping" troops from other nations, and also get them here and keep them supplied. Doubtful any other nations have the sealift and/or airlift to pull that off, especially if some of our air and naval forces are disposed to oppose them.

 

[Stryder50]

They will defend this country like they always have
RW terrorists will not get much sympathy

It's the LW terrorists (and fifth column) that are the more probable enemies.

 

[Stryder50]

Terrorists attack Oklahoma City and our Capitol

Sorry, but the military wont support you

The events and days you infer were only one building in each of those two cities and no where near the substance of an insurrection or "guerilla war".

In the case of Oklahoma City, a couple guys with a truck bomb against one building, and they were patsies for the Jihadist backers.
In the case of our Nation's Capitol, a few hundred persons who occupied for a few hours. Basically a "flash mob" crime. Not a real or effective effort to be called a coup, taking over the rule of a Nation.

 

[Stryder50]

You would side against our country?

So you admit our country is a commie Leftist one!

 

[Stryder50]

They did

Only a handful arrested, most released with no trial.

 

[Concerned American]

History pretty much points out that such a determined populace will need outside support from other nations/factions to defeat an internal enemy such as their government.

Like the commie democrat forces that are currently attempting to destroy the constitution without firing a shot?

 

[Stryder50]

Like the commie democrat forces that are currently attempting to destroy the constitution without firing a shot?

This threat started with the context of armed insurrection~guerilla war. That is what I was referring to. The ammo(bullets) and MREs will exhaust without resupply.

You are inferring a different critter. Gradual and internal infiltration of the apparatus, rather than combat and replacement of such. That is a different sort of logistics to support.

 

[rightwinger]

Only a handful arrested, most released with no trial.

More than a handful and 130 police were injured

 

[Mushroom]

The events and days you infer were only one building in each of those two cities and no where near the substance of an insurrection or "guerilla war".

In the case of Oklahoma City, a couple guys with a truck bomb against one building, and they were patsies for the Jihadist backers.

Uh, CHOP was at the largest over five city blocks and was there for almost a month.

And no, Tim McVeigh was not a patsy for jihadists. He was part of the Neo-Nazi movement. I still have absolutely no idea why his "White Supremacist" views and associations were always so heavily downplayed, but it was not Jihadists.

 

[WinterBorn]

And few left wingers are armed. Guns are icky, remember?

I know quite a number of left wingers who are armed. A group I go shooting with includes numerous left wingers. They own guns and are decent shooters.

 

[WinterBorn]

A determined group of guerrillas can be an effective fighting force, even against superior forces.

But I don't think Americans have that determination. I have been hearing about a revolution since I have been online (1990s). And yet, all the talk has not amounted to one thing.

Also, the technology now available easily allows the gov't to track, listen in on, and follow guerrillas like never before. Add to that the fact that the guerrillas wouldn't be able to enjoy the luxuries they do now, and you have a tiny force of whackjobs.

 

[Mushroom]

Also, the technology now available easily allows the gov't to track, listen in on, and follow guerrillas like never before. Add to that the fact that the guerrillas wouldn't be able to enjoy the luxuries they do now, and you have a tiny force of whackjobs.

That all depends on the abilities of that group. And a hell of a lot of them are quite sophisticated.

A lot of people in the intelligence community were shocked to learn that al Qaeda was using steganography to send messages, specifically though porn videos. And some were even being passed along through innocent web pages, one of them being a Mickey Mouse fan site. Doing the exact same thing, such an organization could operate in the US and share a hell of a lot of data right under the noses of those looking for them.

And much of what happened involving the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union was done with nothing more advanced than a fax machine. And that similar things are being used to organize the protests in Iran.

The main thing about somebody like the "No Such Agency" is not so much the information, but the sheer volume. There are somewhere around 1.5 million phone calls made every minute. over 215 emails made in the US every day. And over 6 billion SMS messages sent every day. And those numbers are just in the US alone. Even if they collected every single one, it is almost impossible to go through anything but a tiny fraction of all of that "take" and find anything useful.

 

[WinterBorn]

That all depends on the abilities of that group. And a hell of a lot of them are quite sophisticated.

A lot of people in the intelligence community were shocked to learn that al Qaeda was using steganography to send messages, specifically though porn videos. And some were even being passed along through innocent web pages, one of them being a Mickey Mouse fan site. Doing the exact same thing, such an organization could operate in the US and share a hell of a lot of data right under the noses of those looking for them.

And much of what happened involving the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union was done with nothing more advanced than a fax machine. And that similar things are being used to organize the protests in Iran.

The main thing about somebody like the "No Such Agency" is not so much the information, but the sheer volume. There are somewhere around 1.5 million phone calls made every minute. over 215 emails made in the US every day. And over 6 billion SMS messages sent every day. And those numbers are just in the US alone. Even if they collected every single one, it is almost impossible to go through anything but a tiny fraction of all of that "take" and find anything useful.

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