Correlation between the hurricanes's costs and HC insurance.....

[nat4900]

I don't expect for most right wingers to be able to correlate this....but for smarter others.

The BILLIONS that will be needed to rebuild and make habitable parts of Texas and Florida, will be mostly borne by both private insurers AND the federal government.....In the long run, ALL of us tax payers and customers to insurance companies will be charged for these outlays of the billions of dollars.

So, in the long run, even if you live in Boise, Idaho, or Spokane, Washington, you too will be paying for rebuilding homes and infrastructure for Houston, TX and Naples, Fl.

With the above in mind, can you correlate the financial responsibilities we all share as US citizens with the financial responsibilities we all have when supplementing and augmenting HC insurance for our fellow citizens?

Spin it any way you want, but rebuilding Texas and Florida will be the SOCIALISTIC responsibility of all of us....and the same applies to the affordable accessibility to health care. .

 

[g5000]

Here's a correlation for you to suck on: The more government has gotten involved in healthcare, the more the cost of health care has risen, outpacing inflation and GDP.

 

[nat4900]

Here's a correlation for you to suck on: The more government has gotten involved in healthcare, the more the cost of health care has risen, outpacing inflation and GDP.

Probably true......and the biggest mistake we have made in this country, is to treat health care insurance and delivery as a profit making enterprise.

 

[g5000]

Here's a correlation for you to suck on: The more government has gotten involved in healthcare, the more the cost of health care has risen, outpacing inflation and GDP.

Probably true...

No probably about it. It IS true.

...and the biggest mistake we have made in this country, is to treat health care insurance and delivery as a profit making enterprise.

So you conclude from government's interference in the markets driving up the price that we should have MOAR government takeover.

Wow.

Just...wow.

You just confirmed exactly what I have been saying for a long time about idiot liberals.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm pretty sure people who buy insurance know how insurance works.

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

 

[nat4900]

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

So, nitwit, when federal funds are allocated to help rebuild Texas and Florida, morons like YOU are not affected or impacted? Yes or No?

 

[Meathead]

I don't expect for most right wingers to be able to correlate this....but for smarter others.

The BILLIONS that will be needed to rebuild and make habitable parts of Texas and Florida, will be mostly borne by both private insurers AND the federal government.....In the long run, ALL of us tax payers and customers to insurance companies will be charged for these outlays of the billions of dollars.

So, in the long run, even if you live in Boise, Idaho, or Spokane, Washington, you too will be paying for rebuilding homes and infrastructure for Houston, TX and Naples, Fl.

With the above in mind, can you correlate the financial responsibilities we all share as US citizens with the financial responsibilities we all have when supplementing and augmenting HC insurance for our fellow citizens?

Spin it any way you want, but rebuilding Texas and Florida will be the SOCIALISTIC responsibility of all of us....and the same applies to the affordable accessibility to health care. .

The correlation is between the amount of butt hurt you feel and the number of idiotic threads you start. Think about it.

OUCH!!!

 

[Care4all]

Time for both Florida and Texas to add a State income tax that is just the residence paying for their own hurricane destruction.... near all other States have income taxes and these two States do not....maybe they should fund in the least, most of their destruction and rebuilding costs for future catastrophes by adding a 1% or 2% state income tax, and keep this set aside in a kitty?

the Fed will still come in and help, but the burden will not be mostly on the Fed Gvt...

 

[Avatar4321]

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

So, nitwit, when federal funds are allocated to help rebuild Texas and Florida, morons like YOU are not affected or impacted? Yes or No?

Everyone who pays taxes is affected.

Have I claimed otherwise?

Btw thank you for proving my point. You love wrestling with "pigs" except when it requires you to actually respond honestly with substance

 

[OKTexas]

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

So, nitwit, when federal funds are allocated to help rebuild Texas and Florida, morons like YOU are not affected or impacted? Yes or No?

No more than when the government decides to buy a new aircraft carrier.


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[Care4all]

Here's a correlation for you to suck on: The more government has gotten involved in healthcare, the more the cost of health care has risen, outpacing inflation and GDP.

Yes, you are right.

But where do we go from here is the question?

And will any of these reductions in gvt involvement, even make enough difference that you can call our health care system ''a free market with free market forces" system and see a reduction in costs through the marketplace?

I mean our government is involved up to their eyeballs in health care!

Tax deductions or as you say, "expenditures" for the employers providing health insurance...

Tax deductions for our own health care costs over 7%

Pretax employee payments for premiums.

Mandatory vaccinations for school kids

CHIPS...children's health insurance

MEDICAID...health insurance for the very poorest

MEDICARE...health insurance for the elderly

TRICARE and MILITARY health care coverage

Federal employee health care coverage...

VETERANS HEALTH CARE....the VA

The federal govt paying for in part, Medical Schools and Nursing schools with loans and grants for medical doctors and nursing students...

let alone, federal regulations and state regulations that also can affect it...


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and with all of that listed, I probably did not even list ONE HALF of the government's involvement in health care....

OF WHICH ALL of the gvt involvement, affects the market place and keeps the so called free market forces from working, to keep the costs of health care down and affordable...

So, I guess my concern and/or thoughts...are that our government is in so deep, that even removing a handful of those gvt involvements listed, would not ever lead to the "free market forces" needed to bring prices down for everyone....???

 

[NightFox]

Time for both Florida and Texas to add a State income tax that is just the residence paying for their own hurricane destruction.... near all other States have income taxes and these two States do not....maybe they should fund in the least, most of their destruction and rebuilding costs for future catastrophes by adding a 1% or 2% state income tax, and keep this set aside in a kitty?

the Fed will still come in and help, but the burden will not be mostly on the Fed Gvt...

What the hell do state income taxes have to do with anything? The DRF is appropriated by the FEDERAL government (thanks to the Stafford Act) out of general funds and those funds comes from citizens of the STATES.

Yes the DRF is rampantly abused by governors since they have every incentive to try to convince FEMA into declaring anything that happens in their states as a NATIONAL disaster since once it's national the federal government foots a large portion of the bill via the DRF but that fact has nothing to do with how the States choose to fund their own government operations, if you want to get rid of the DRF that's a fine idea but the funding for it needs to go back directly to all the states on a proportional basis, after all it's the citizenry of the states that's paying for it already (and the states that use it most are some of the most heavily populated and economically developed (e.g. Texas, California and Florida ) and thus their citizens and business already contribute the most.

Or do you just have some kind of weird obsession with income taxes and can't handle the fact that some states get by just fine without having to implement that idiotic form of taxation on their citizens?

 

[g5000]

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

So, nitwit, when federal funds are allocated to help rebuild Texas and Florida, morons like YOU are not affected or impacted? Yes or No?

No more than when the government decides to buy a new aircraft carrier.


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Nat seems to think lack of health insurance is a natural disaster.

 

[Care4all]

Time for both Florida and Texas to add a State income tax that is just the residence paying for their own hurricane destruction.... near all other States have income taxes and these two States do not....maybe they should fund in the least, most of their destruction and rebuilding costs for future catastrophes by adding a 1% or 2% state income tax, and keep this set aside in a kitty?

the Fed will still come in and help, but the burden will not be mostly on the Fed Gvt...

What the hell do state income taxes have to do with anything? The DRF is appropriated by the FEDERAL government (thanks to the Stafford Act) out of general funds and those funds comes from citizens of the STATES.

Yes the DRF is rampantly abused by governors since they have every incentive to try to convince FEMA into declaring anything that happens in their states as a NATIONAL disaster since once it's national the federal government foots a large portion of the bill via the DRF but that fact has nothing to do with how the States choose to fund their own government operations, if you want to get rid of the DRF that's a fine idea but the funding for it needs to go back directly to all the states on a proportional basis, after all it's the citizenry of the states that's paying for it already (and the states that use it most are some of the most heavily populated and economically developed (e.g. Texas, California and Florida ) and thus their citizens and business already contribute the most.

Or do you just have some kind of weird obsession with income taxes and can't handle the fact that some states get by just fine without having to implement that idiotic form of taxation on their citizens?

Wow! That's some long dissertation for something I never said NightFox!

I am suggesting, that the States that are PRONE to Natural Disasters, such as Texas and Florida find a way to pay for most of their disaster costs and the federal government come in and help them...as the law was meant to do.

NEVER EVER was federal disaster relief suppose to be for the rebuilding of a community and businesses... and all the other costs, other than helping a state with a natural disaster with preparedness for the health and safety of their citizens, and with the continuance of that health and safety during and after the disaster....it was NEVER meant to be anything but a supplement, not the MAJOR fund-er of total rebuilding.

Adding a state income tax, could be a way for Texans and Floridians to be more prepared for the costs of rebuilding entire communities or entire states, and the federal govt would still be the partner the ACT requires.

Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act - Wikipedia

 

[OKTexas]

Nat doesn't seem to understand the difference between voluntarily buying insurance and being robbed by government to benefit others

So, nitwit, when federal funds are allocated to help rebuild Texas and Florida, morons like YOU are not affected or impacted? Yes or No?

No more than when the government decides to buy a new aircraft carrier.


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Nat seems to think lack of health insurance is a natural disaster.

It's just trying to come up with inventive ways to bash the administration, if it starts a substantive conversation it's purely by accident.


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[Dschrute3]

I blame Trump and the Russians. It's obvious they're behind these hurricanes.

 

[dblack]

I don't expect for most right wingers to be able to correlate this....but for smarter others.

The BILLIONS that will be needed to rebuild and make habitable parts of Texas and Florida, will be mostly borne by both private insurers AND the federal government.....In the long run, ALL of us tax payers and customers to insurance companies will be charged for these outlays of the billions of dollars.

So, in the long run, even if you live in Boise, Idaho, or Spokane, Washington, you too will be paying for rebuilding homes and infrastructure for Houston, TX and Naples, Fl.

With the above in mind, can you correlate the financial responsibilities we all share as US citizens with the financial responsibilities we all have when supplementing and augmenting HC insurance for our fellow citizens?

Spin it any way you want, but rebuilding Texas and Florida will be the SOCIALISTIC responsibility of all of us....and the same applies to the affordable accessibility to health care. .

Single Payer for Everyone. For Everything!

 

[BluesLegend]

More proof ignorant liberals should not start threads. Home owners insurance cost a shit ton more in hurricane risk areas vs say North Dakota, thousands of dollars a year vs a few hundred bucks. This moron is saying I should be paying a portion of the home owners insurance for those who chose to live in the path of hurricanes.

 

[Care4all]

I blame Trump and the Russians. It's obvious they're behind these hurricanes.

no no no no no....it's the DEEP STATE that you believe in, no?

 

[Dschrute3]

I blame Trump and the Russians. It's obvious they're behind these hurricanes.

no no no no no....it's the DEEP STATE that you believe in, no?

Ha, just jokin about where this particular loon OP will be going in the coming weeks. He or she will be making it about being 'All Trump's Fault!' at some point. So predictable. Stay tuned.