Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism

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Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism: Pulitzer Prize Winner David Cay Johnston | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

The United States has the highest marginal corporate tax rate in the world, at 39.2%.

Corporations, Wall Street, Mitt Romney and even President Obama all argue that rate is too high for U.S. companies to be competitive in the global economy.


That would be the case if corporations paid such high rates but often they don't. Take Microsoft. The company avoided at least $6.5 billion in taxes using transactions with subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland, Singapore and Bermuda that were perfectly legal, according to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which held a hearing Thursday on corporate tax avoidance.

Carl Levin (D-Michigan), chairman of the subcommittee told reporters, "These loopholes and abuses exact a tremendous cost…What these gimmicks do is shift the burden of taxes onto citizens and business who don't use armies of lawyers and accountants."

How can the right wingers be so hard against socialism, all socialism but be so pro-Corporate socialist? :lol:
 
Well, it is simple. As I once saw written concerning France, but which applies pretty generally, "We are capitalist for the profits and socialist for the losses."
I believe this should explain both your confusion here and as well the response to the crisis generated by overly avaricious banks and investment predators.
 
What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.
 
Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism: Pulitzer Prize Winner David Cay Johnston | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

The United States has the highest marginal corporate tax rate in the world, at 39.2%.

Corporations, Wall Street, Mitt Romney and even President Obama all argue that rate is too high for U.S. companies to be competitive in the global economy.


That would be the case if corporations paid such high rates but often they don't. Take Microsoft. The company avoided at least $6.5 billion in taxes using transactions with subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland, Singapore and Bermuda that were perfectly legal, according to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which held a hearing Thursday on corporate tax avoidance.

Carl Levin (D-Michigan), chairman of the subcommittee told reporters, "These loopholes and abuses exact a tremendous cost…What these gimmicks do is shift the burden of taxes onto citizens and business who don't use armies of lawyers and accountants."

How can the right wingers be so hard against socialism, all socialism but be so pro-Corporate socialist? :lol:
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Romney ran on changing the tax code. So ya had your chance. To late now, so don't whine.
 
Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism: Pulitzer Prize Winner David Cay Johnston | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

The United States has the highest marginal corporate tax rate in the world, at 39.2%.

Corporations, Wall Street, Mitt Romney and even President Obama all argue that rate is too high for U.S. companies to be competitive in the global economy.


That would be the case if corporations paid such high rates but often they don't. Take Microsoft. The company avoided at least $6.5 billion in taxes using transactions with subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland, Singapore and Bermuda that were perfectly legal, according to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which held a hearing Thursday on corporate tax avoidance.

Carl Levin (D-Michigan), chairman of the subcommittee told reporters, "These loopholes and abuses exact a tremendous cost…What these gimmicks do is shift the burden of taxes onto citizens and business who don't use armies of lawyers and accountants."

How can the right wingers be so hard against socialism, all socialism but be so pro-Corporate socialist? :lol:

I don't get it either. They claim to be for limited government, yet tolerate - even expand - this practice of using the tax code to punish enemies and reward supporters. Now that Roberts has given the official Supreme Court seal of approval to this kind of governance, voter revolt is about the only way we're going to curtail it.
 
Well, it is simple. As I once saw written concerning France, but which applies pretty generally, "We are capitalist for the profits and socialist for the losses."
I believe this should explain both your confusion here and as well the response to the crisis generated by overly avaricious banks and investment predators.

I'm not confused, lol, these pro-private sector everything Repugs are for corporate welfare.
 
What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.

In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?
 
What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.

In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?

That person at $20m is still paying orders of magnitude more in actual dollars than the person at $20k.

Everyone should have a stake in a tax burden, its when some people pay and some people dont that we get true inequality.
 
Everyone should use every legal method and loophole to avoid paying taxes. Starve the beast.
 
Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism: Pulitzer Prize Winner David Cay Johnston | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

The United States has the highest marginal corporate tax rate in the world, at 39.2%.

Corporations, Wall Street, Mitt Romney and even President Obama all argue that rate is too high for U.S. companies to be competitive in the global economy.


That would be the case if corporations paid such high rates but often they don't. Take Microsoft. The company avoided at least $6.5 billion in taxes using transactions with subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland, Singapore and Bermuda that were perfectly legal, according to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which held a hearing Thursday on corporate tax avoidance.

Carl Levin (D-Michigan), chairman of the subcommittee told reporters, "These loopholes and abuses exact a tremendous cost…What these gimmicks do is shift the burden of taxes onto citizens and business who don't use armies of lawyers and accountants."

How can the right wingers be so hard against socialism, all socialism but be so pro-Corporate socialist? :lol:

Have an idea for everyone that apparently don't know how businesses work.

Tax Loopholes: Here are the ACTUAL DEDUCTIONS used by ALL taxpayers including corporations!
What are the largest tax expenditures? In 2008 expenditures (tax deductions allowed) these are the amounts and types of deductions that Romney MAY suggest be eliminated or reduced. If ALL the deductions were eliminated another $653 billion would be added to tax revenue...

Ranked by size the type of deduction and the amounts written off against taxes in 2008

Amount of
Deduction Type of deduction that government ALLOWS tax payer to subtract from taxes

  • [*]$131.0 billion Exclusion of employer medical insurance premiums and medical care
    [*]$117.7 Net exclusion of pension contributions and earnings
    [*]$ 88.5 Deductibility of mortgage interest on owner-occupied homes
    [*]$55.9 Accelerated depreciation of machinery and equipment
    [*]$49.1 Deductibility of non-business state and local taxes
    [*]$46.8 Deductibility of charitable contributions
    [*]$31.5 Deferral of income from controlled foreign corporations
    [*]$30.0 Capital gains exclusion on home sales
    [*]$29.1 Deductibility of State and local property tax on owner-occupied homes
    [*]$28.4 Child credit
    [*]$24.2 Capital gains (except agriculture,timber, and coal)
    [*]$21.5 Step-up basis of capital gains at death
$653.7 billion

Please Go to this site and get the substantiation for the above: [URL="http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book
So the BIGGEST deduction is businesses that pay medical insurance and care or $131 billion
So let's not allow that deduction OK i.e. "corporate tax loophole"! That will mean the $131 billion WILL NOW BE PASSED ON to employee!
The next deduction by corporations is Pension contributions of $117 billion... OK LET's DROP THAT!!!

So between the two $250 billion that corporations DEDUCT that will NO longer be PAID on behalf of employee!
WHO will pay for those "corporate loopholes"???
 
What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.

In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?

I don't care if the rich get to keep more of their money if I and my neighbors have more opportunities to better ourselves.
 
Ranked by size the type of deduction and the amounts written off against taxes in 2008

Amount of
Deduction Type of deduction that government ALLOWS tax payer to subtract from taxes

  • [*]$131.0 billion Exclusion of employer medical insurance premiums and medical care
    [*]$117.7 Net exclusion of pension contributions and earnings
    [*]$ 88.5 Deductibility of mortgage interest on owner-occupied homes
    [*]$55.9 Accelerated depreciation of machinery and equipment
    [*]$49.1 Deductibility of non-business state and local taxes
    [*]$46.8 Deductibility of charitable contributions
    [*]$31.5 Deferral of income from controlled foreign corporations
    [*]$30.0 Capital gains exclusion on home sales
    [*]$29.1 Deductibility of State and local property tax on owner-occupied homes
    [*]$28.4 Child credit
    [*]$24.2 Capital gains (except agriculture,timber, and coal)
    [*]$21.5 Step-up basis of capital gains at death
$653.7 billion

These aren't really 'deductions' in the sense of business expenses - or for calculating a taxpayers net income. They are tax incentives designed to manipulate society in one way or another.

It's interesting that two of the top three 'deductions' contribute directly to dysfunctional market conditions (not to mention directly benefit bankers and insurance corps, imagine that!). When we look at the way over-insurance has fueled health care inflation, and then at what pushing people into home ownership did to the housing market, the dangers of this kind of government become obvious.

THIS is why Roberts decision on PPACA was so devastating. He could have said "Yeah, the individual mandate is the same as all the other tax incentives that government uses to manipulate us, you know what? Those are wrong too." But he didn't. I'm not sure how we get rid of this shit at this point. Corporatism is all about divide and conquer, and thrives by keeping us focused on our own 'benefits' and not recognizing what the powers-that-be are doing to the country.
 
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What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.

In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?

I don't care if the rich get to keep more of their money if I and my neighbors have more opportunities to better ourselves.

Don't bitch about the deficit and talk fiscal responsibility if thats what you believe, Repugs, forever biting themselves in the ass.
 
Those EVIL profiteering banks and insurance companies... OFF with their heads... Power to the people!
OK LETS bankrupt 1,300 insurance companies as Obama wants to do.
Where will the $100 billion a year in Federal/state/local and property taxes come from these companies pay?
Where will the unemployment checks that the 400,000 out of work insurance employees come from?

No one seems to think about that.

Oh and by the way... again ignorance of some people is so evident..
You obviously don't know that 80% of the AVERAGE health insurance premium paid by employer or private insurance goes out in claims.
And those evil profits?? 4% of the premium BEFORE taxes are paid!
Then of the net if paid in dividends the shareholder pays taxes again on the dividends.
So out of the 16% left those hefty salaries for the executives right???
Computer systems which are paid from the 16%... buildings... supplies... all GONE now with your plan!
 
Those EVIL profiteering banks and insurance companies... OFF with their heads... Power to the people!
OK LETS bankrupt 1,300 insurance companies as Obama wants to do.
Where will the $100 billion a year in Federal/state/local and property taxes come from these companies pay?
Where will the unemployment checks that the 400,000 out of work insurance employees come from?

No one seems to think about that.

Oh and by the way... again ignorance of some people is so evident..
You obviously don't know that 80% of the AVERAGE health insurance premium paid by employer or private insurance goes out in claims.
And those evil profits?? 4% of the premium BEFORE taxes are paid!
Then of the net if paid in dividends the shareholder pays taxes again on the dividends.
So out of the 16% left those hefty salaries for the executives right???
Computer systems which are paid from the 16%... buildings... supplies... all GONE now with your plan!

Corporate welfare isn't helping America, how much has really trickled down? Dumbass
 
What we need is a flat tax on every dollar earned by every person, and a corporate tax of about 20%. Then we need to axe every tax loophole there is for every person, corporation, farmer, and anyone else who gets preferential treatment.

But that ain't happening, so I don't know the answer. It's all I can do to figure out how to keep my small company afloat and avoid layoffs anymore, never mind the country.

In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?

That person at $20m is still paying orders of magnitude more in actual dollars than the person at $20k.

Everyone should have a stake in a tax burden, its when some people pay and some people dont that we get true inequality.

The problem is....the person at $20k needs that money to survive in this God awfully expensive country of ours....the person at $20M doesn't....in fact, it's just a nuisance to them. I do agree that everyone should have a stake in the tax burden.....and everyone does....everyone pays State and local taxes.....everyone pays sales tax, everyone pays FICA, everyone contributes to Medicare, everyone pays taxes on every gallon of fuel the buy....if they smoke or drink alcohol, they pay taxes on that....the only tax that they may not pay is Federal Income tax....and that's either because they are:

A. dirt poor
or
B. are so wealthy that they can afford a team of attorneys and accountants....not to mention loopholes and deductions that only people of their financial status can take advantage of.
 
Those EVIL profiteering banks and insurance companies...

They're not inherently evil. But using coercive government policies to enhance their profits is.

OK LETS bankrupt 1,300 insurance companies as Obama wants to do.

Obama is the insurance industry's BFF. He signed a laws FORCING us to give them are money. I think they'll be fine.
You obviously don't know that 80% of the AVERAGE health insurance premium paid by employer or private insurance goes out in claims.

I'm quite aware of that. Government and business have colluded to promote a policy that keeps us dependent on employers for health care. Tax incentives are how they've done it.
 
In short, give the rich more money, you do know taxing a person who makes $20,000 atr the same rate of someone who makes 20 million is not equal nor fair at all?

I don't care if the rich get to keep more of their money if I and my neighbors have more opportunities to better ourselves.

Don't bitch about the deficit and talk fiscal responsibility if thats what you believe, Repugs, forever biting themselves in the ass.

What is wrong with all of us prospering more, even the evil rich guy?

You progressives and your incessant demands to tear down others in order to prop others up isn't healthy for anyone. Lifting us all up should be our goal.

EDIT: No, wasteful spending and pandering to every special interest group is what's responsible for the debt, not revenue.
 
What is wrong with all of us prospering more, even the evil rich guy?

Nothing at all. But what "tax incentives" do is the opposite of that. They are discriminatory in that the reward some of us and punish others. We're essentially using the tax code as backdoor legislation to dictate behavior that would be seen as blatantly unconstitutional if it were attempted with straightforward laws.
 

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