Corn Ethanol Pollutes Worst than Gasoline

[elektra]

Apparently not all Science is "settled".

Real Scientists released a new study showing that Ethanol production releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than burning Gasoline.

Study casts doubt on climate benefit of biofuels from corn residue

Study casts doubt on climate benefit of biofuels from corn residue
Apr 20, 2014
Study casts doubt on climate benefit of biofuels from corn residue
Corn residue is being baled on a University of Nebraska-Lincoln field experiment site in Saunders County, Neb. Credit: University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Using corn crop residue to make ethanol and other biofuels reduces soil carbon and can generate more greenhouse gases than gasoline, according to a study published today in the journal Nature Climate Change.


Read more at: Study casts doubt on climate benefit of biofuels from corn residue

The U.S. Department of Energy has provided more than $1 billion in federal funds to support research to develop cellulosic biofuels, including ethanol made from corn stover. While the cellulosic biofuel production process has yet to be extensively commercialized, several private companies are developing specialized biorefineries capable of converting tough corn fibers into fuel.

$1 Billion dollars to another technology that has failed, its so good to see research advancing and the scientist giving so much back to society.

Government funded Scientists, we just can not live without them.

 

[Moonglow]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

 

[elektra]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

It is now the year 2014, 6 years of Obama and the Democrats advancing Ethanol production.

Instead of discussing the OP, pollution of Ethanol, the classic Liberal wishes to change the subject and discuss Bush.

 

[Pop23]

Ethanol has never made any sense. Less miles per gallon, takes fuel to plant and harvest, yet somehow it's better for the environment?

The worst part will be the bankruptcy of thousands of small downs who invested huge amounts of money on these boondoggles.

I think the Saudis were laughing their butts off when we invested so heavily on this crap.

 

[peach174]

It is also making our meats more expensive like beef, chicken and pork.
This was a very stupid thing for Bush to have done.

 

[Pop23]

It is also making our meats more expensive like beef, chicken and pork.
This was a very stupid thing for Bush to have done.

True, and there is a finite amount of tillable land. Farmers around here plant nearly every acre with corn now because of the price.

 

[peach174]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

It is now the year 2014, 6 years of Obama and the Democrats advancing Ethanol production.

Instead of discussing the OP, pollution of Ethanol, the classic Liberal wishes to change the subject and discuss Bush.

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

 

[Pennywise]

We've only been saddled with this shit since 2005?

 

[KissMy]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

It is now the year 2014, 6 years of Obama and the Democrats advancing Ethanol production.

Instead of discussing the OP, pollution of Ethanol, the classic Liberal wishes to change the subject and discuss Bush.

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

 

[elektra]

It is now the year 2014, 6 years of Obama and the Democrats advancing Ethanol production.

Instead of discussing the OP, pollution of Ethanol, the classic Liberal wishes to change the subject and discuss Bush.

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Does it matter who is profiting, if people want a political debate it can be shown that Democrats own corn farms as do Republicans, although the information is a bit hidden by the Liberal Search Engine Google.

The real topic of interest is that Ethanol is a heavy Polluter to the atmosphere at an extreme cost in dollars.

 

[elektra]

Well, it seems that subsidies for Ethanol have not gone away at all. I bet if one digs deep we will find two new subsidies for every one, that disappeared.

Obama's 2015 Budget Backs Costly Corn Ethanol Subsidies - US News

So it was great news that the (otherwise terrible) 2014 farm bill (officially the Agricultural Act of 2014) prevents the mature corn ethanol industry from receiving subsidies to purchase pumps dispensing higher blends of corn ethanol.

Now for the bad news. Less than a month after signing the farm bill into law, the president proposed new subsidies for ethanol blender pumps in his FY 2015 budget proposal. The overall budget was released last Tuesday, with detailed back up documents following in the last few days. Buried on page 158 of the “Analytical Perspectives” document, released Monday, is up to $200 million in new advanced energy manufacturing tax credits for the “construction of infrastructure that contributes to networks of refueling stations that serve alternative fuels,” or in other words, more subsidies for corn ethanol blender pumps and other alternative fuel infrastructure projects. Such is the power of the corn ethanol lobby.

[See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]

The corn ethanol industry has received more than its fair share of subsidies over the past 30 years. Through federal tax credits, loan guarantees, grants and other subsidies, billions of taxpayer dollars have been squandered on an industry that relentlessly seeks additional special interest carve-outs. A nearly identical tax credit to the one proposed by the president – the “Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit” – has been available to gasoline stations dispensing 85 percent ethanol. It expired last year but has a history of being renewed in “tax extenders” packages. A federal Renewable Fuel Standard also mandates the use of 15 billion gallons of corn ethanol by 2015. While the biofuels industry as a whole was intended to help achieve American energy independence, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and spur rural economic development, the corn ethanol industry has fallen short of achieving these goals while spurring numerous unintended consequences and long-term liabilities that have resulted in more harm than good.

All told, more than $3.3 million has been spent on corn ethanol blender pumps, in addition to numerous other federal subsidies. Instead of using the budget to reinforce one of the very few good policies in the farm bill, the administration is proposing to undo it and increase this amount by up to 66 times. Unfortunately, this time the bad news wins the day.

TAGS: taxes Farm Bill

 

[Mr. H.]

We export tens of millions of gallons of ethanol every month. Why?
And folks bitch about exporting crude and crude products.

 

[peach174]

It is now the year 2014, 6 years of Obama and the Democrats advancing Ethanol production.

Instead of discussing the OP, pollution of Ethanol, the classic Liberal wishes to change the subject and discuss Bush.

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Democrats passed the 2nd one in 2007

Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) was passed by Congress as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The RFS mandates a minimum volume of biofuels (generally corn-based ethanol) is to be used in the national transportation fuel supply each year.

Two years later, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 greatly expanded the biofuel mandate volumes and extended the date through 2022. The expanded RFS required the annual use of 9 billion gallons of biofuels in 2008, rising to 36 billion gallons in 2022, with at least 16 billion gallons from cellulosic biofuels, and a cap of 15 billion gallons for corn-starch ethanol.

 

[elektra]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Democrats passed the 2nd one in 2007

Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) was passed by Congress as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The RFS mandates a minimum volume of biofuels (generally corn-based ethanol) is to be used in the national transportation fuel supply each year.

Two years later, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 greatly expanded the biofuel mandate volumes and extended the date through 2022. The expanded RFS required the annual use of 9 billion gallons of biofuels in 2008, rising to 36 billion gallons in 2022, with at least 16 billion gallons from cellulosic biofuels, and a cap of 15 billion gallons for corn-starch ethanol.

Lets not forget about the Democrat President Carter and Archer Daniels Midland in 1980

Archer Daniels Midland: A Case Study In Corporate Welfare

Policy Analysis
Archer Daniels Midland:
A Case Study In Corporate Welfare

by James Bovard

James Bovard is an associate policy analyst with the Cato Institute. His most recent book is Shakedown: How the Government Screws You from A to Z (Viking, 1995).

Executive Summary

The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30

One of the most politically charged debates in Washington revolves around business subsidies known as "corporate welfare." A number of policy organizations have published studies examining the corporate welfare phenomenon: what qualifies as corporate welfare, how much it costs taxpayers, and how much it damages the economy. This study examines the dynamics of corporate welfare somewhat differently by investigating ADM as a classic case study of how those subsidies are obtained, how the welfare state encourages such "rent seeking," and how such practices fundamentally corrupt the political life of a nation. Congress's expressed desire to foster a free marketplace cannot be taken seriously until ADM's corporate hand is removed from the federal till.

 

[Old Rocks]

Both sides love their lobbying. That's how they get their political money.
The Dems are also profiting from this ethanol crap.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Does it matter who is profiting, if people want a political debate it can be shown that Democrats own corn farms as do Republicans, although the information is a bit hidden by the Liberal Search Engine Google.

The real topic of interest is that Ethanol is a heavy Polluter to the atmosphere at an extreme cost in dollars.

Do you really think that you can just tell any old lie and get away with it? Sheesh. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been purchased by those profiting of off ethenol. But the GOP has been the primary mover on this.

 

[elektra]

Bush and Congress were bought by the corn growing lobby to include it into his energy policy of 2005..

Democrats passed the 2nd one in 2007

Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) was passed by Congress as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The RFS mandates a minimum volume of biofuels (generally corn-based ethanol) is to be used in the national transportation fuel supply each year.

Two years later, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 greatly expanded the biofuel mandate volumes and extended the date through 2022. The expanded RFS required the annual use of 9 billion gallons of biofuels in 2008, rising to 36 billion gallons in 2022, with at least 16 billion gallons from cellulosic biofuels, and a cap of 15 billion gallons for corn-starch ethanol.

Lets not forget about the Democrat President Carter and Archer Daniels Midland in 1980

Archer Daniels Midland: A Case Study In Corporate Welfare

Policy Analysis
Archer Daniels Midland:
A Case Study In Corporate Welfare

by James Bovard

James Bovard is an associate policy analyst with the Cato Institute. His most recent book is Shakedown: How the Government Screws You from A to Z (Viking, 1995).

Executive Summary

The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30

One of the most politically charged debates in Washington revolves around business subsidies known as "corporate welfare." A number of policy organizations have published studies examining the corporate welfare phenomenon: what qualifies as corporate welfare, how much it costs taxpayers, and how much it damages the economy. This study examines the dynamics of corporate welfare somewhat differently by investigating ADM as a classic case study of how those subsidies are obtained, how the welfare state encourages such "rent seeking," and how such practices fundamentally corrupt the political life of a nation. Congress's expressed desire to foster a free marketplace cannot be taken seriously until ADM's corporate hand is removed from the federal till.

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Does it matter who is profiting, if people want a political debate it can be shown that Democrats own corn farms as do Republicans, although the information is a bit hidden by the Liberal Search Engine Google.

The real topic of interest is that Ethanol is a heavy Polluter to the atmosphere at an extreme cost in dollars.

Do you really think that you can just tell any old lie and get away with it? Sheesh. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been purchased by those profiting of off ethenol. But the GOP has been the primary mover on this.

Hey, pay attention Old Crock, my quote first and foremost mentions both sides thus your quick witted response only shows you did not read what I posted.

Old Crock, I know your old but do we have to stop on the first page of a thread and show you what you missed?

The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts

Your turn Old Crock. Go!

 

[SSDD]

How are Democrats profiting from corn ethanol? Most farmers are Republicans. Democrat Harry Reid killed bio-diesel subsidies. Ethanol mandate's imposed by Republicans have been rolled back by Democrats.

Does it matter who is profiting, if people want a political debate it can be shown that Democrats own corn farms as do Republicans, although the information is a bit hidden by the Liberal Search Engine Google.

The real topic of interest is that Ethanol is a heavy Polluter to the atmosphere at an extreme cost in dollars.

Do you really think that you can just tell any old lie and get away with it? Sheesh. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have been purchased by those profiting of off ethenol. But the GOP has been the primary mover on this.

Republicans aren't afraid of CAGW. Democrats claim to be...at least in front of the camera. I guess in the back room, they also know it is a hoax. If the threat of CAGW really existed, don't you think the democrats would have done something....other than make more money?