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Wry's point is.... that not suggesting or providing contraceptives in countries like this, only exacerbates the problem that they are trying to fix. Why would you support giving birth to more babies into such desperate squalor.
Personally I don't think the well being of the worlds poor is any of our governments business. Now if private charities wish to help that's a totally different thing and that's assuming the people will actually utilize the contraception that's provided.
The catholic church could care less about governments. They are a "government" of their own.
Catholic doctrine does not change to accommodate governments.
Catholic doctrine does not allow birth control. End of story.
maybe churchs shouldnt operate hospitals then. if they have a problem with performing or providing certain services that are part of that business model, then maybe they shouldnt be in that business to begin with.As said by many, if you can't afford a dollar for a condom, you have two choices. 1) keep it in your pants or 2) keep your legs closed ... Depending on you sex.
To force a church to go against its beliefs just so some poor fool can have sex without danger of getting a girl pregnant makes so little sense I can't believe people here are even defending it. The redirect to world poverty... Water shortages... The church .... Not a single word said about the idiocy of someone that poor thinking about mating.
If you want to take away religious freedoms, you better come up with a better plan then 'but I can't afford a $1 condom'
why would an intelligent person get involved in a business in which parts of it could violate their beliefs? that would be like a devout muslim opening a liquor store but refusing to sell booze.
This is some really weird retroactive time warp shit.
You seem pretty clueless to the fact that Catholic hospitals have been around a long time and have not been violating their beliefs. Their "business model" has been thriving.
If you want to go the whole muslim route, then to make your completely false analogy a true one, what Obama has done is force a Muslim-operated convenience store which has been around for more than a century to start selling booze.
And then here comes you, saying "Gee, why would a Muslim have a business model that violates his beliefs? I don't get it!"
It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
tell that to Rick SantorumIt's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
i find it much more interesting that the religious right pushes for abortion to become illegal, because life is sacred, while at the same time opposing universal health care.The Catholic Church is opposed to contraception for moral reasons.
Where is the morality in creating a life when food and clean water are rare commodities? Where poverty exists and educational opportunities are non existent?
Where is the morality when disease is spread?
Where is the morality when a women is the victim of domestic violence? When a women is forced to conceive and then trapped as the child become a lever to gain more power and more control?
its extremely hypocritical to say life is sacred when your willing to fight to protect an unborn life, but not willing to fight to protect people who have already been born.
when you force women to have children they may not want, in many cases they become dependent on the state for services such as medicaid, food stamp, welfare, the foster system, etc etc.
It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
maybe churchs shouldnt operate hospitals then. if they have a problem with performing or providing certain services that are part of that business model, then maybe they shouldnt be in that business to begin with.
why would an intelligent person get involved in a business in which parts of it could violate their beliefs? that would be like a devout muslim opening a liquor store but refusing to sell booze.
This is some really weird retroactive time warp shit.
You seem pretty clueless to the fact that Catholic hospitals have been around a long time and have not been violating their beliefs. Their "business model" has been thriving.
If you want to go the whole muslim route, then to make your completely false analogy a true one, what Obama has done is force a Muslim-operated convenience store which has been around for more than a century to start selling booze.
And then here comes you, saying "Gee, why would a Muslim have a business model that violates his beliefs? I don't get it!"
if you rule that religious hospitals apply for exemptions to laws based on religious beliefs, you up a whole different set of issues than just the contraception issue.
i could make the argument (in court) that my religion prohibits me from providing cancer drugs, aids drugs, heart drugs, or cholesterol drugs, or any other drug on the market. would that be an acceptable consequence in your mind?
It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
The Catholic Church is opposed to contraception for moral reasons.
Where is the morality in creating a life when food and clean water are rare commodities? Where poverty exists and educational opportunities are non existent?
Where is the morality when disease is spread?
Where is the morality when a women is the victim of domestic violence? When a women is forced to conceive and then trapped as the child become a lever to gain more power and more control?
i think the crux of the debate is people understanding that contraception (as provided by health care providers) will not "free." it will be included in the cost of your original premium. thus they can not charge an extra co pay or fee for. there are other services this applies to as well, such as mammograms. now... should all men who pay premiums demand that women pay for their own mammograms since 99% of men do not get them?It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
the GOP has an agenda. They wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Goveernment can dictate via law what an enterpsie can and can not sell. If the product or service is legal, they should be allowed to sell it. If they choose NOT to sell it, that should be THEIR choice.
That is the crux oif the debate. It happens to be contraception right now...but all along the agenda is the same.....government has no right to tell ANYONE that they HAVE to SELL anything.
The Catholic Church is opposed to contraception for moral reasons.
Where is the morality in creating a life when food and clean water are rare commodities? Where poverty exists and educational opportunities are non existent?
Where is the morality when disease is spread?
Where is the morality when a women is the victim of domestic violence? When a women is forced to conceive and then trapped as the child become a lever to gain more power and more control?
You are aware of course of all of the charitable work the Catholic church does in each of the areas you mention aren't you?
i think the crux of the debate is people understanding that contraception (as provided by health care providers) will not "free." it will be included in the cost of your original premium. thus they can not charge an extra co pay or fee for. there are other services this applies to as well, such as mammograms. now... should all men who pay premiums demand that women pay for their own mammograms since 99% of men do not get them?It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
the GOP has an agenda. They wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Goveernment can dictate via law what an enterpsie can and can not sell. If the product or service is legal, they should be allowed to sell it. If they choose NOT to sell it, that should be THEIR choice.
That is the crux oif the debate. It happens to be contraception right now...but all along the agenda is the same.....government has no right to tell ANYONE that they HAVE to SELL anything.
the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.
no one has done it yet, but the legal standing would be there and you could legally do it. you have to look broader than just than just his instance.This is some really weird retroactive time warp shit.
You seem pretty clueless to the fact that Catholic hospitals have been around a long time and have not been violating their beliefs. Their "business model" has been thriving.
If you want to go the whole muslim route, then to make your completely false analogy a true one, what Obama has done is force a Muslim-operated convenience store which has been around for more than a century to start selling booze.
And then here comes you, saying "Gee, why would a Muslim have a business model that violates his beliefs? I don't get it!"
if you rule that religious hospitals apply for exemptions to laws based on religious beliefs, you up a whole different set of issues than just the contraception issue.
i could make the argument (in court) that my religion prohibits me from providing cancer drugs, aids drugs, heart drugs, or cholesterol drugs, or any other drug on the market. would that be an acceptable consequence in your mind?
Has anyone ever done that?
No?
Okay. Just keep making shit up.
although you can take that same pill to control acne and hormone levels as well. not all women use the pill as a pregnancy prevention device.i think the crux of the debate is people understanding that contraception (as provided by health care providers) will not "free." it will be included in the cost of your original premium. thus they can not charge an extra co pay or fee for. there are other services this applies to as well, such as mammograms. now... should all men who pay premiums demand that women pay for their own mammograms since 99% of men do not get them?the GOP has an agenda. They wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Goveernment can dictate via law what an enterpsie can and can not sell. If the product or service is legal, they should be allowed to sell it. If they choose NOT to sell it, that should be THEIR choice.
That is the crux oif the debate. It happens to be contraception right now...but all along the agenda is the same.....government has no right to tell ANYONE that they HAVE to SELL anything.
the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.
Take a pill so you can fuck your brains out is not the same thing as getting a mammogram to see if you have cancer.
Don't be fucking retarded.
The crux of the debate is that the State went into a Church and directed them to do something against their faith.
You get all hot and bothered when that same State invades your bedroom. It is very revealing of your two-facedness you don't mind it invading a Church.
i think the crux of the debate is people understanding that contraception (as provided by health care providers) will not "free." it will be included in the cost of your original premium. thus they can not charge an extra co pay or fee for. there are other services this applies to as well, such as mammograms. now... should all men who pay premiums demand that women pay for their own mammograms since 99% of men do not get them?It's real simple: Get the hell out of everybody's bedroom and start worrying about the economy. This contraception thing is nothing but a new shiny object to distract the easily distracted and unfocused Republicans.
the GOP has an agenda. They wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Goveernment can dictate via law what an enterpsie can and can not sell. If the product or service is legal, they should be allowed to sell it. If they choose NOT to sell it, that should be THEIR choice.
That is the crux oif the debate. It happens to be contraception right now...but all along the agenda is the same.....government has no right to tell ANYONE that they HAVE to SELL anything.
the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.
