"Constitution check" (??) - Can guns used in mass shootings be banned?

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An odd article I found on the home page of Yahoo.com.

It's odd in that, despite its headline and a paragraph header that say they checked the Constitution, no reference to the Constitution appears anywhere in the actual story. Rather, they "check" various Court opinions. Historically, court opinions (especially on guns) often have little to do with what the Constitution actually says. And when they do, they just as often get it wrong.

So why do these authors claim to "check the Constitution" when they don't check it at all?

The Const does have a passage directly addressing the right to keep and bear arms. For the article's authors, it's called the Second Amendment - something they might want to look up.

It says that since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted.

Does that sound like a statement giving governments the power to ban guns?

Keep in mind that the Federal government has NO POWERS AT ALL except those specifically given to it by the Constitution. And with that passage in the Constitution, and no other reference to arms at all, how can the govt possible say they have any power to restrict or take away your right to own a certain kind of rifle?

The second amendment applies just as strongly to state and local governments, of course, just as the 13th amendment does. If an amendment doesn't specify which government it applies to, then it applies to every govt in the U.S. And the 14th amendment even blurs that line: The 1st amendment originally was designed to apply only to the Fed Govt ("Congress shall make no law....") and not the states or local govts. Unsurprising, since most states had official state religions when it was first passed, and the Framers clearly didn't want to mess with that. But the 14th amendment changed that.

But unlike the 1st, the 2nd amendment has no such specification for which govt it applies to, so it applies to all of them, and has ever since it was ratified. It is illegal for any govt in the U.S. to take away or restrict your right to own and carry a gun.

It would be nice if the Supreme Court justices would notice that.

And the authors of this article.

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Constitution Check: Can guns used in mass shootings be banned?

Constitution Check: Can guns used in mass shootings be banned?

National Constitution Center
By Lyle Denniston
4 hours ago

Lyle Denniston, the National Constitution Center’s constitutional literacy adviser, analyzes the Supreme Court’s refusal to take a case about banning assault weapons.

THE STATEMENTS AT ISSUE:

“Assault weapons with large-capacity magazines can fire more shots, faster, and thus can be more dangerous in aggregate. Why else are they the weapons of choice in many shootings? A ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines might not prevent shootings in Highland Park (where they are already rare), but it may reduce the carnage if a mass shooting occurs….If it has no other effect, Highland Park’s ordinance may increase the public’s sense of safety. Mass shootings are rare, but they are highly salient, and people tend to over-estimate the likelihood of salient events.” – Excerpt from the majority opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, upholding a ban on assault weapons and larger ammunition magazines in the city of Highland, Park, Ill.

On Monday, the Supreme Court refused to review that appeals court decision, thus leaving the city’s weapons ban in place.

WE CHECKED THE CONSTITUTION, AND…

For the past seven years, it has been a settled constitutional issue that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to have a gun for use in self-defense. But that Supreme Court ruling, in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, only made a start on defining the scope of that right. The only other decision that added any clarity to that right was a decision in 2010, extending nationwide that personal right (McDonald v. Chicago).

Gun rights advocates have been attempting repeatedly over the past five years to get the Supreme Court to return to the issue, complaining with increasing fervor that lower courts are not respecting Second Amendment rights, and, indeed, are engaging in what some advocates have called “massive resistance” to the court’s decisions.
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
It sure does not. This is not 1791. You don't get a missile frigate in your marina because the Navy has one. Why do you need a crew served heavy weapon? Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
Relax, CW. Little bendog is just demonstrating (again) that when a liberal can't refute something, he lies about it instead.

Explaining the truth to him is like explaining color to a man blind from birth. He has no possible concept of it and couldn't care less.
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
It sure does not. This is not 1791. You don't get a missile frigate in your marina because the Navy has one. Why do you need a crew served heavy weapon? Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
LOL from an AR 15 too a frigate,your a real idiot.
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
It sure does not. This is not 1791. You don't get a missile frigate in your marina because the Navy has one. Why do you need a crew served heavy weapon? Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?

well damnit ... scratch that scud launcher from my xmas list ... can I still get an F16 and a chain gun ?

:rolleyes:
 
Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
It's always fun to see desperate liberals trying to pretend the 2nd amendment gives people rights.

When it simply says government can't take your right away.
IOW, got you on the run.

Nope, you don't get a cannon or a frigate or jet with missiles. There is no right to own and bear a cannon.
 
Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
It's always fun to see desperate liberals trying to pretend the 2nd amendment gives people rights.

When it simply says government can't take your right away.
IOW, got you on the run.

Nope, you don't get a cannon or a frigate or jet with missiles.
Hey now, keep your hands off my teeny tiny Civil War replica Napoleon cannon. Ole Ben and me fire off a black powder charge when we fly our stars and bars on the flag pole short enough to not be visible from the street.
 
Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
It's always fun to see desperate liberals trying to pretend the 2nd amendment gives people rights.

When it simply says government can't take your right away.
IOW, got you on the run.

Nope, you don't get a cannon or a frigate or jet with missiles. There is no right to own and bear a cannon.
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There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
Relax, CW. Little bendog is just demonstrating (again) that when a liberal can't refute something, he lies about it instead.

Explaining the truth to him is like explaining color to a man blind from birth. He has no possible concept of it and couldn't care less.
I already own my guns, dickface.
 
There's no second amendment right to own an AR-15.
There sure is,but just to help everyone out,please show where it doesn't. An AR 15 is no different than any other semi auto gun,different color and shape other than that,nothing.
It sure does not. This is not 1791. You don't get a missile frigate in your marina because the Navy has one. Why do you need a crew served heavy weapon? Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?

Argumentum ad absurdum as usual. If all you have is exaggeration to prove your point, you don't really have one.
 
Show me in the 2d Amendment where you get a cannon?
It's always fun to see desperate liberals trying to pretend the 2nd amendment gives people rights.

When it simply says government can't take your right away.
IOW, got you on the run.

Nope, you don't get a cannon or a frigate or jet with missiles. There is no right to own and bear a cannon.

Actually the government can technically still issue letters of marque, so if you outfit your ship like a frigate and take to the seas, you can pillage enemy shipping all you want.

Just have to find those ISIS ships.
 
Constitution check" (??) - Can guns used in mass shootings be banned?

NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY

IN THE EARLY 1900'S "SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIALS" OR ANY OTHER FIREARM USED BY AFRO-AMERICANS WERE BANNED. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO BAN "ASSAULT TYPE WEAPONS" WHICH HE HAS FOUND DIFFICULT TO DO.

IS SAN BERNARDINO A GENUINE TERRORIST ATTACK OR A FALSE FLAG OPERATION IN ORDER TO USE THE EVENT TO DISARM US?


1- ORIGINALLY WITNESS AND POLICE WERE LOOKING FOR 3 WHITE SUSPECTS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?

2- THE POLICE HAS NOT RELEASED EITHER VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM THE BUILDING SECURITY CAMERAS NOR DASHCAM VIDEO EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A GAZILLION POLICE CRUISERS THERE

3- WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT A DEEPLY RELIGIOUS NEW MOM , A PHARMACIST, WHO WEIGHTS APPROX 100 , POUNDS, DECIDED NOT TO WEAR HER TRADITIONAL BURQA - ALLEGEDLY CHOOSING INSTEAD TO WEAR "DARK ASSAULT TYPE CLOTHING - TACTICAL GEAR " THE PICTURE #2 BELOW DOES NOT SHOW HER WEARING "ASSAULT TYPE CLOTHING" AND IF THIS IS AN ISIS INSPIRED ATTACK - AN "ISLAMOFASCIST" ATTACK - WHY NOT WEAR HER TRADITIONAL CLOTHING TO SEND A MESSAGE


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It's moderately interesting, imo, that Scalia joined Thomas's dissent from declining to take the case. Thomas wrote, probably correctly, that a ban on assault type rifles or high capacity magazines would not be constitutional if these measures only gave a illusion of being safer. And, considering it's quite easy to obtain the rifles and magazines outside of a place like Calif or the Chi 'burb, and commit crimes where the items are banned, then any added safety would seem a mere illusion. However, if they were banned everywhere in the US, and limits were put on illegal importation, then the safety might not be illusory.

Personally, I don't think the laws do much good. But, we should expand background checks, and make the list of who can't buy better tailored to actual threats. But the bottom line is the laws are constitutional, and other localities can expand them.
 
As usual, the liberals can't find ANY authority in the Constitution for government to ban so-called "assault rifles".

So they announce instead, "Well, the government took the authority anyway, and made laws banning them despite having no authority to do so. That makes it constitutional!"

Which is sort of like saying that since bank robbers broke into a bank vault and stole all the money, that means it was never the depositor's money in the first place, and this makes the robbers' actions legal.
 
As usual, the liberals can't find ANY authority in the Constitution for government to ban so-called "assault rifles".

So they announce instead, "Well, the government took the authority anyway, and made laws banning them despite having no authority to do so. That makes it constitutional!"

Which is sort of like saying that since bank robbers broke into a bank vault and stole all the money, that means it was never the depositor's money in the first place, and this makes the robbers' actions legal.


AMERICANS SHOULD NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO USE WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE SAN BERNARDINO FALSE FLAG OPERATION AS A PRETEXT TO BAN "ASSAULT" RIFLES
 
It's moderately interesting, imo, that Scalia joined Thomas's dissent from declining to take the case. Thomas wrote, probably correctly, that a ban on assault type rifles or high capacity magazines would not be constitutional if these measures only gave a illusion of being safer.
If the ban DID make people safer (it doesn't), that wouldn't make it any more constitutional either. The Constitution still says government can't ban them.

However, if they were banned everywhere in the US,
Here we begin to approach the liberals' real reason for encroaching on the 2nd amendment's ban on govt regulating guns. They want to get rid of all guns in law-abiding citizens' hands.

(people who don't obey laws, of course, will pay no attention to the liberals' laws, and will keep their guns and even make more.)
 

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