Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.

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Once again, Reagan-love has clouded the memories of conservatives who just can't remember anything negative about Hollywood's most famous B actor. But at the time, conservatives were very critical of The Gipper and didn't think he was very conservative at all!

Are conservatives dishonest, or do they just name-call anyone whom they disagree with?


Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.


The accused: Neville Chamberlain
Who:
Neville Chamberlain, prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Was in fact Neville Chamberlain.
Accuracy of accusations: Very accurate.

Chamberlain famously tried, unsuccessfully, to avert war by appeasing Hitler with the Munich Agreement. That agreement gave Hitler the Sudetenland, a large chunk of Czechoslovakia. The plan failed spectacularly: Hitler was not satisfied with the Sudetenland, and soon invaded Poland.



The accused: Ronald Reagan
Who: Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Negotiated with the Soviet Union.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.

Reagan is now the patron saint of the American right. But during his presidency he was accused of Chamberlain-style appeasement because of his negotiations with the Soviet Union. In 1985 Reagan met with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit, where the two leaders discussed the arms race, the Strategic Defense Initiative (the anti-ballistic missile system also known as "Star Wars"), and human rights. Newt Gingrich called the meeting ''the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich."


And in 1988, Conservative Caucus Chair Howard Phillips ran an ad that compared Reagan signing the INF arms-control treaty with the Soviet Union to Chamberlain signing the Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938. "Appeasement Is As Unwise In 1988 As In 1938," said the ad, which showed pictures of Chamberlain, Hitler, Reagan and Gorbachev.


The accusations against Reagan are a clear reminder that the frequent cries of "Munich! Munich! Muuuniccccchhhh!" in American politics aren't really about appeasement: they're just code for "negotiation with dictators we don't like."




The accused: Barack Obama
Who: Barack Obama, 44th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Willingness to hold talks with Iran.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.


Obama's willingness to negotiate with Iran, as well as with other hostile regimes around the world, has led to a steady stream of Chamberlain comparisons since before he even became president. In 2008, then-President Bush gave a speech in Israel that was a thinly veiled attack on Obama, who at the time was a US senator and presidential candidate, and had argued that the US should hold direct talks with countries like Iran and Syria.


"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said in the speech. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"



Get it? A SENATOR? Just like ANOTHER SENATOR WE KNOW?



(Bush's speech also prompted the famously uncomfortable Hardball segment in which conservative radio host Kevin James criticized Obama for being like Neville Chamberlain, but turned out not to have any idea what Chamberlain had actually done.)



The Munich comparisons started cropping up again as the nuclear negotiations with Iran progressed. In 2013, Gingrich said the Iran negotiations were "the Munich of the Middle East,"and that "This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender to the Iranian dictatorship."



And just last week, Republican Senator Mark Kirk compared the negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler, telling Politico that Chamberlain "got more out of Hitler at Munich" than the Obama administration's negotiators had gotten out of Iran.
 
Reagan achieved something with the Soviets. I doubt Obama has ever had an agreement with Iran and if by some slim chance he does it won't last. He's been duped
 
Once again, Reagan-love has clouded the memories of conservatives who just can't remember anything negative about Hollywood's most famous B actor. But at the time, conservatives were very critical of The Gipper and didn't think he was very conservative at all!

Are conservatives dishonest, or do they just name-call anyone whom they disagree with?


Conservatives say Obama is like Neville Chamberlain. They said the same about Reagan.


The accused: Neville Chamberlain
Who:
Neville Chamberlain, prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Was in fact Neville Chamberlain.
Accuracy of accusations: Very accurate.

Chamberlain famously tried, unsuccessfully, to avert war by appeasing Hitler with the Munich Agreement. That agreement gave Hitler the Sudetenland, a large chunk of Czechoslovakia. The plan failed spectacularly: Hitler was not satisfied with the Sudetenland, and soon invaded Poland.



The accused: Ronald Reagan
Who: Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Negotiated with the Soviet Union.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.

Reagan is now the patron saint of the American right. But during his presidency he was accused of Chamberlain-style appeasement because of his negotiations with the Soviet Union. In 1985 Reagan met with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit, where the two leaders discussed the arms race, the Strategic Defense Initiative (the anti-ballistic missile system also known as "Star Wars"), and human rights. Newt Gingrich called the meeting ''the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich."


And in 1988, Conservative Caucus Chair Howard Phillips ran an ad that compared Reagan signing the INF arms-control treaty with the Soviet Union to Chamberlain signing the Munich Agreement with Hitler in 1938. "Appeasement Is As Unwise In 1988 As In 1938," said the ad, which showed pictures of Chamberlain, Hitler, Reagan and Gorbachev.


The accusations against Reagan are a clear reminder that the frequent cries of "Munich! Munich! Muuuniccccchhhh!" in American politics aren't really about appeasement: they're just code for "negotiation with dictators we don't like."




The accused: Barack Obama
Who: Barack Obama, 44th president of the United States.
Reasons for being accused of being Neville Chamberlain: Willingness to hold talks with Iran.
Accuracy of accusations: Not accurate.
Obama's willingness to negotiate with Iran, as well as with other hostile regimes around the world, has led to a steady stream of Chamberlain comparisons since before he even became president. In 2008, then-President Bush gave a speech in Israel that was a thinly veiled attack on Obama, who at the time was a US senator and presidential candidate, and had argued that the US should hold direct talks with countries like Iran and Syria.

"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said in the speech. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.'"



Get it? A SENATOR? Just like ANOTHER SENATOR WE KNOW?



(Bush's speech also prompted the famously uncomfortable Hardball segment in which conservative radio host Kevin James criticized Obama for being like Neville Chamberlain, but turned out not to have any idea what Chamberlain had actually done.)



The Munich comparisons started cropping up again as the nuclear negotiations with Iran progressed. In 2013, Gingrich said the Iran negotiations were "the Munich of the Middle East,"and that "This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender to the Iranian dictatorship."



And just last week, Republican Senator Mark Kirk compared the negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler, telling Politico that Chamberlain "got more out of Hitler at Munich" than the Obama administration's negotiators had gotten out of Iran.
Somebody namedHoward said reagan was Chamberlain and you're holding the rest of us to account for his statement? Nonsense. I've never said or thought that. Now, every conservative alive knows Obama Hussein is pulling a Neville Chamberlain.
 
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Obama spent most of his first term on a non-stop worldwide apology tour. He traded half a dozen enemy generals for an AWOL private. He insulted our only ally in the Mid-East and now he is trying to authorize nuclear weapons technology for a country that chants "death to America". Reagan said "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" and it happened. Who is more like Chamberlain?
 
Reagan achieved something with the Soviets. I doubt Obama has ever had an agreement with Iran and if by some slim chance he does it won't last. He's been duped
Unlike Obama, Reagan built up our mitary he negotiated from a position of strength. Obama is the opposite of Ronald Reagan
 
Reagan achieved something with the Soviets. I doubt Obama has ever had an agreement with Iran and if by some slim chance he does it won't last. He's been duped
Unlike Obama, Reagan built up our mitary he negotiated from a position of strength. Obama is the opposite of Ronald Reagan

go ahead bubbie... sing a verse of bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran.

neocon wackjobs should go fight their own wars instead of sending other people's kids to die.

p.s. you can't run two wars of choice while cutting taxes.

and the thread isn't an ode to your idol reagan. it's pointing out the hypocrisy of the right.
 
Reagan achieved something with the Soviets. I doubt Obama has ever had an agreement with Iran and if by some slim chance he does it won't last. He's been duped
Unlike Obama, Reagan built up our mitary he negotiated from a position of strength. Obama is the opposite of Ronald Reagan

go ahead bubbie... sing a verse of bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran.

neocon wackjobs should go fight their own wars instead of sending other people's kids to die.

p.s. you can't run two wars of choice while cutting taxes.
What are you babbling about? Cant you do better than stupid talking points?
 
I think the problem is that Neville Chamberlain is being criticized for making the ONLY decision he could have made at Munich.

Let's look at a map of Czechoslovakia in 1938, shall we.

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Germany ALREADY had it surrounded on three sides. There was really nothing the British could do to prevent Germany from invading it. Further, most of the population of Czechoslovakia wanted nothing to so with the government in Prague. The Sudetenland Germans wanted to be part of Germany ( which is the only issue Munich decided.) The Hungarians wanted to be part of Hungary, which was a German ally at that point. The Slovaks wanted (and got) their own country.

Kind of hard to get the British people to fight a war for a country that most of the residents of werent' keen on fighting for.

But even if they did, how were the British going to stop them? Well, the French were in no position to mount an offensive. They had blown all their dough on the Maginot line instead of mobile forces like planes and tanks. Italy had thrown in with Germany at that point.

Chamberlain made the responsible decision.

Now, looping that back into a discussion about Obama and Iran. Iran is not Nazi Germany. It's an impoverished country where the median income is less than $6000 a year and the total GDP is less than half a trillion. They have no industrial infrastructure and a military mostly made up of antiquated equipment.

And they are fighting people we don't like, anyway. Al Qaeda and ISIS.
 
What's wrong with being compared to Neville Chamberlain...
What's wrong with being compared to Neville Chamberlain...
I don't like to assume things that said I hope your joking.

No I'm not. It's a serious question....
Mainly because he is best known for signing the Munich Agreement with Adoplh Hitler in Sepetember of 1938 which gave part of Czechoslovakia to Germany in exchange for Germany taking no further aggressive action in Europe. The problem was by September of 1939 Hitler tossed the agreement and invaded Poland and the second World War in Europe began when a western leader is compared to Chamberlian it's because they either have made a bad deal with tyrant or it's believed they are in the process of making one.
 

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