"Consensus Science" and renewable energy

[deanrd]

I never heard of consensus science.

 

[Dr Grump]

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http://naturalgasnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/eia-aeo2014-forecast-512x384.png

Oh, that link from the natural gas lobby...again!! Gee, wonder where they sit in all this....

 

[skookerasbil]

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http://naturalgasnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/eia-aeo2014-forecast-512x384.png

Oh, that link from the natural gas lobby...again!! Gee, wonder where they sit in all this....

Yep, clearly I'm the retarded one here.......its a graph of the Obama EIA Assessment Report from 2016!!

Who's not winning?

 

[skookerasbil]

I'm out.........enough laughing for one day!!

 

[Old Rocks]

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=1-AEO2017&cases=ref2017&sourcekey=0

From 2016 to 2050, prediction is for no growth in coal, or nuclear. Natural gas has about 2% growth, renewables, about 4.3%. That is for the US.

 

[Old Rocks]

The renewable energy sector employed 9.8 million people worldwide in 2016, a sharp increase from 2012, the Abu Dhabi-based International Renewable Energy Agency said on Wednesday.

In its "Renewable Energy and Jobs - Annual Review 2017", IRENA says the sector employed seven million people five years ago.

"Falling costs and enabling policies have steadily driven up investment and employment in renewable energy worldwide since IRENA's first annual assessment in 2012, when just over seven million people were working in the sector," its director general Adnan Z. Amin said.

"In the last four years, for instance, the number of jobs in the solar and wind sectors combined has more than doubled."

The review said that last year, the number of people employed in the sector, "excluding large hydropower, reached 8.3 million".

If large hydropower projects are included, the total number of global renewable-energy jobs climbs to 9.8 million.

According to IRENA, the highest number of renewable energy jobs are in Brazil, China, Germany, India, Japan and the United States.



Read more at: Jump in renewable energy jobs worldwide: agency

As the cost of wind and solar power declines, the amount of electricity generated by both will skyrocket. No rail or pipeline infrastructure needed, no pollution produced. And, once installed, no need of importing costly fuels for third world nations that do not have their own coal or natural gas reserves.

 

[Old Rocks]

The good news is that renewable energy has – at least on a levelized cost of electricity, or LCOE, basis – clearly achieved the long-awaited goal of grid competitiveness. More than that, in many countries it now undercuts every other source of new generating capacity, sometimes by very considerable margins. Last year saw unsubsidized price records of $30 per megawatt-hour for a wind farm in Morocco and $29.10 for a solar plant in Chile. These must be the lowest electricity prices, for any new project, of any technology, anywhere in the world, ever. And we are still going to see further falls in equipment prices.

Super-low-cost renewable power – what we are now calling “base-cost renewables” – is going to force a revolution in the way power grids are designed, and the way they are regulated.

The old rules were all about locking in cheap base-load power, generally from coal or hydro plants, then supplementing it with more expensive capacity, generally gas, to meet the peaks. The new way of doing things will be about locking in as much locally-available base-cost renewable power as possible, and then supplementing it with more expensive flexible capacity from demand response, storage and gas, and then importing the remaining needs from neighbouring grids.

New nuclear plants will remain the political bauble they currently are, unless next-generation nuclear can prove it can deliver fail-safe designs at affordable cost. Demand will be suppressed by energy efficiency and self-generation, and augmented by electrified transport and heat.

10 renewable energy predictions for 2017

As costs continue to come down for renewables, and the grid scale batteries come on line, coal will die, first in the US, and then in countries like China, where they will simply shut down aging plants, rather then rebuilding them.

 

[skookerasbil]

The renewable energy sector employed 9.8 million people worldwide in 2016, a sharp increase from 2012, the Abu Dhabi-based International Renewable Energy Agency said on Wednesday.

In its "Renewable Energy and Jobs - Annual Review 2017", IRENA says the sector employed seven million people five years ago.

"Falling costs and enabling policies have steadily driven up investment and employment in renewable energy worldwide since IRENA's first annual assessment in 2012, when just over seven million people were working in the sector," its director general Adnan Z. Amin said.

"In the last four years, for instance, the number of jobs in the solar and wind sectors combined has more than doubled."

The review said that last year, the number of people employed in the sector, "excluding large hydropower, reached 8.3 million".

If large hydropower projects are included, the total number of global renewable-energy jobs climbs to 9.8 million.

According to IRENA, the highest number of renewable energy jobs are in Brazil, China, Germany, India, Japan and the United States.



Read more at: Jump in renewable energy jobs worldwide: agency

As the cost of wind and solar power declines, the amount of electricity generated by both will skyrocket. No rail or pipeline infrastructure needed, no pollution produced. And, once installed, no need of importing costly fuels for third world nations that do not have their own coal or natural gas reserves.

IDK......been hearing this for 10 years and still between wind and solar, it is providing less than 5% of our electricity production. Just a year ago, the Obama EIA projections still had a combination of ALL renewables ( including hydro ) still only at 10% in 2040.

It is a fact that renewable energy hits the poor the hardest. Renewable energy mandates in California have slammed the population with high taxes. These poor people have to pay around 10% of their annual income to energy costs!! Absurd. In high renewable energy states, electricity costs are almost 40% higher than other states. It will always be so that when government gets involved in the energy market ( or any market fo that matter ), costs spiral upward. This is precisely why renewable energy continues a very slow growth rate as a % of the grid........its just not economically viable. Cost factors pushed by environmental groups don't include the enormous costs of building transmission lines........but the public policy makers are well aware of it!

The disaster in California is very instructive >>>>

California’s Energy Policies: The Poor Are Hit Hardest

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh.....and the market trend for renewables has seen a steady downward spiral since its high in 2008 >>

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50c651bdecad049a6e00000f-618-/moneygame-cotd-121012.jpg

In the real world outside the science, costs matter.

 

[skookerasbil]

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