Confederate treason - Confiscation Act of 1862

[Mike Dwight]

Your quotes just thoroughly not my points. Do you check the dixie children's book that Heathens are hard to Teach, that africans seem hardest at that, that the Northerner Is Crazy about slavery? That's not where yours seem to head. You blame the white man with the word Slavery being the end of a discussion of a problem. In fact, why did Lincoln marry a southern rpesbyterian, why did Lincoln have a 'dog of the same hair' with mclellan, and why do you think every move was positioning among the European powers for this war? They got cover from seling uncle tom's cabin millions of time in Britain. Christianity is beaten out of a slave? Thomas Jackson saying slavery is God ordained? Slavery is there, and then we refuse to say a rough world was run by bandits, highwayrobbers, death, disease, and whatever worked.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Ya you are, to say you even know what "slavery" is , is to say that it ends racism. I'm candidly portraying you factually. if slavery helped feed everyone, keep a house where they wanted to be, and to have a confident position that was unique and expectable, then you wouldn't be talking about slavery.

 

[SandSquid]

I don't check your sources ,it might be more impactful. I don't know these. Dude I look these up , then I think, they're all just people commenting on a viewpoint? Did anyone there want to abuse people, did anyone not want better alternatives? Except Alex Stephens there.

Well not just people. Senators leading the secession movements. Entire state legislatures and secession commissions on their reasons. The founding fathers of the Confederacy. I'm not using Joe Blows. I'm purposefully using the heads of that secessionist movement.

And yeah I am not pulling all the quotes when you read through the minutes. Some of those secession conventions got kinda unruly.

Senators ranting that it would be far better to die in war than a black man marry their daughter or that there's already too many free ni&&ers around to have 4 million more.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't check your sources ,it might be more impactful. I don't know these. Dude I look these up , then I think, they're all just people commenting on a viewpoint? Did anyone there want to abuse people, did anyone not want better alternatives? Except Alex Stephens there.

Sadly, yes they did want to abuse people, even though they might not have seen it as abuse. They thought it was alright, because that is what they had always done, and, after all, they were just slaves---property. They were able to sell family members, to never be seen again, at will. That is abuse.

 

[SandSquid]

Your quotes just thoroughly not my points. Do you check the dixie children's book that Heathens are hard to Teach, that africans seem hardest at that, that the Northerner Is Crazy about slavery? That's not where yours seem to head. You blame the white man with the word Slavery being the end of a discussion of a problem. In fact, why did Lincoln marry a southern rpesbyterian, why did Lincoln have a 'dog of the same hair' with mclellan, and why do you think every move was positioning among the European powers for this war? They got cover from seling uncle tom's cabin millions of time in Britain. Christianity is beaten out of a slave? Thomas Jackson saying slavery is God ordained? Slavery is there, and then we refuse to say a rough world was run by bandits, highwayrobbers, death, disease, and whatever worked.

Ya you are, to say you even know what "slavery" is , is to say that it ends racism. I'm candidly portraying you factually. if slavery helped feed everyone, keep a house where they wanted to be, and to have a confident position that was unique and expectable, then you wouldn't be talking about slavery.

No. Not in any point of this did I say that ending slavery would end racism. I will say that changing the law that they are no longer considered property but instead legally as people is a step in the right direction though.

And as for lives being better as slaves, I don't buy that either. Norway may beat the US in every quality of life standard study. But if somebody came to take my family to enslave them as property in Norway, stripping away all their rights even their right to consensual sex, knowing that a few generations from now they may be free there with a higher quality of life, I wouldn't be for that and doubt anyone here would.

 

[Jitss617]

What’s your point? What’s that gotta do with what I said? Are you saying blacks didn’t own slaves??

What color were those slaves.

I think you'd find it interesting what many blacks did when states passed laws that slaves couldn't be emancipated. What free blacks did when a law made their children slaves for life. Sickening isn't it that laws would force a black man to have to buy his children as slaves in order to live with them. Why do you support those laws?

So... Have you found a secessionist "player" who wasn't for slavery? Or no, it all was about slavery.

Yes and some OWNED SLAVES LOL

And all of them were black slaves. Got it. Owning black people is bad. Killing hundreds of thousands of American men, women, and children to fight for the right to own black people is really bad.

Why are you not telling me those "players" who weren't for slavery? Cat got your tongue kiddo?

Seems all you want to do when you see a fact, is change the subject.

Lol farmers that had no slaves lol hello mcfly

Which farmer are you saying was part of this pro secessionists movement, calling for secession, leading the legislative votes for secession and being a player in that movement?

Yes there were farmers without slaves. That's why renting slaves was such a big thing. Now if you want to look at a group of farmers that didn't own slaves, those in West Virginia would be a great place to look.

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Can basically draw their border with that map of slave demographics... Oh wait those farmers rebelled against secession... Oops!

Do you have a list of all farmers and there views?? I didn’t think so lol

 

[Indeependent]

For those who want to keep the memory of the confederacy alive, understand confederates were considered traitors by the U.S. government. Also some of us need to learn the complete truth of the civil war.

Confiscation Act of 1862

The Confiscation Act was passed on July 17, 1862.[3] The defining characteristic of the act was that it called for court proceedings for seizure of land and property from disloyal citizens (supporters of the Confederacy) in the South as well as the emancipation of their slaves that came under Union control.[2] Under this act, conviction of treason against the U.S. could be punishable by death or carry a minimum prison sentence of five years and a minimum fine of $10,000.[3] This law also stated that any citizen convicted of aiding and abetting any person known to have committed treason against the United States could be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a maximum fine of $200,000, if convicted.[3] This law specifically targeted the seizure of property of any Confederate military officer, Confederate public office holder, persons who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy or any citizen of a loyal Union state who has given aid or support to any of the aforementioned traitors to the United States of America.[3] This act helped the Union military because freed slaves could supply the forces with information to gain a strategic advantage over the Confederates.[2]

One slave, March Haynes, began smuggling slaves to the freedom of the Union lines with the help of Union General Quincy Adams Gilmore. In return for his help, Haynes provided Gilmore with "exact and valuable information" on the location of Confederate defenses and the strength of their forces.[2]

Confiscation Act of 1862 - Wikipedia

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

Apparently you have not learned history. You were taught a revised version of American history that left many things out to fit an ideological narrative. Our children deserve better than what we got.

You want revisionist history?
Well, there’s MSLSD, CNN and FauxNews.
Enjoy!

I know what revisionist history is. And it is what we got taught.

Link to the video.

 

[Mike Dwight]

I Totally Buy that. I totally buy that Africans were then Hated as migratory prostitutes in huge numbers, that state songs like Carry me Back to Ol Virginny is about the Horror of being told by these people to make a New life in All circumstances.

 

[Mike Dwight]

I read the Alabama Secession , in 7 paragraphs, a long one, just one brief mention of the "slave holding states", as the political entity that had been divided. Here's to further my point. "Most States listed slavery while Tennessee did not and only had a Declaration of Independence with one cause listed, There is no Hope of Peace".

Tennessee and Secession - Slavery, Equality, and the Degradation of the White Race - This Cruel War

Ya well you still don't make a single rational argument on that point about how you Believe that ending slavery was the logical Lincoln's progress line on an end to African American racism. I like your Europe comparison because most people in Russia were serfs with Lords that technically had rights to come by with flails and whips, and Lucy Pickens visited , gained jewelry and quite amount of Favor from Russia, am I right? And again, European Christianity was the rallying cry in the 1900's against Communism. So we can wonder if Russians ARE better not being serfs and having been Communists, that's probably a No actually. Logical arguments about slavery being progress to ending racism included arguments about the Freedom and Equality of Napoleonic Europe, the dictates of the Catholic Church, or maybe you think you're a better owner.

 

[SandSquid]

What color were those slaves.

I think you'd find it interesting what many blacks did when states passed laws that slaves couldn't be emancipated. What free blacks did when a law made their children slaves for life. Sickening isn't it that laws would force a black man to have to buy his children as slaves in order to live with them. Why do you support those laws?

So... Have you found a secessionist "player" who wasn't for slavery? Or no, it all was about slavery.

Yes and some OWNED SLAVES LOL

And all of them were black slaves. Got it. Owning black people is bad. Killing hundreds of thousands of American men, women, and children to fight for the right to own black people is really bad.

Why are you not telling me those "players" who weren't for slavery? Cat got your tongue kiddo?

Seems all you want to do when you see a fact, is change the subject.

Lol farmers that had no slaves lol hello mcfly

Which farmer are you saying was part of this pro secessionists movement, calling for secession, leading the legislative votes for secession and being a player in that movement?

Yes there were farmers without slaves. That's why renting slaves was such a big thing. Now if you want to look at a group of farmers that didn't own slaves, those in West Virginia would be a great place to look.

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Can basically draw their border with that map of slave demographics... Oh wait those farmers rebelled against secession... Oops!

Do you have a list of all farmers and there views?? I didn’t think so lol

You are the one making that claim not me moron. So which leading secessionist farmer who was a "player" in the secession was anti-slavery.

Fuck you are dumb aren't ya.

You said "players" in the secession movement didn't support slavery. I asked who, and the best you have is some mealy mouth "uhhh maybe a farmer somewhere who's name doesn't exist"??? You made it up, you got called out on your lie, and that somehow is what you consider an intelligent response. Lol

 

[SandSquid]

I read the Alabama Secession , in 7 paragraphs, a long one, just one brief mention of the "slave holding states", as the political entity that had been divided. Here's to further my point. "Most States listed slavery while Tennessee did not and only had a Declaration of Independence with one cause listed, There is no Hope of Peace".

Tennessee and Secession - Slavery, Equality, and the Degradation of the White Race - This Cruel War

That is true. Alabama didn't release a reasons for secession, just an ordinance of secession.

But alabamas general assembly did pass a list of resolutions which listed what they said needed fixed:

Be it further resolved, That our delegates selected shall be instructed to submit to the general convention the following basis of a settlement of the existing difficulties between the Northern and the Southern States, to wit:

1. A faithful execution of the fugitive slave lawand a repeal of all States laws calculated to impair its efficacy.

2. A more stringent and explicit provision for the surrender of criminals charged with offenses against the laws of one State and escaping into another.

3. A guaranty [sic] that slavery shall not be abolished in the District of Columbia, or in any other place over which Congress has exclusive jurisdiction.

4. A guaranty that the interstate slave-tradeshall not be interfered with.

5. A protection to slavery in the Territories, while they are Territories, and a guaranty [sic] that when they ask for admission as States they shall be admitted into the Union with or without slavery as their constitutions may prescribe.

6. The right of transit though free States with slave property.

7. The foregoing clauses to be irrepealable by amendments to the Constitution. Be it further resolved, That the basis of settlement prescribed in the foregoing resolution shall not be regarded by our delegates as absolute and unalterable, but as an indication of the opinion of this convention, to which they are expected to conform as nearly as may be, holding themselves, however, at liberty to accept any better plan of adjustment which may be insisted upon by a majority of the slave-holding States.

Just lots of slavery.

A neat letter from gov Moore to the Alabama senate on the crisis of Lincoln winning the election

Gov. Moore's Letter to the Alabama Legislature

 

[SandSquid]

And likewise here's Tennessee's resolutions from their legislature.

January 28, 1861. -- Laid upon the table, and ordered to be printed.

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1. Resolved by the general assembly of Tennessee, That a convention of delegates from all the slaveholding States should assemble at Nashville, Tennessee, or such other place as a majority of the States co-operating may designate, on the 4th day of February, to digest and define bases upon which, if possible, the federal Union and the constitutional rights of the slave States may be preserved and perpetuated.

2. Resolved, That the general assembly of Tennessee appoint a number of delegates to said convention, of our ablest and wisest men, equal to our whole delegation in Congress; and that the governor of Tennessee immediately furnish copies of these resolutions to the governors of the slaveholding States, and urge the participation of such States in said convention.

3. Resolved, That in the opinion of the general assembly of Tennessee, such plan of adjustment should embrace the following propostions as amendments to the Constitution of the United States:

First. A declaratory amendment that African slaves, as held under the institutions of the slaveholding States, shall be recognized as property, and entitled to the status of other property in the States where slavery exists, in all places within the exclusive jurisdiction of Congress in the slave States, in all the Territories south of 36 degrees 30 minutes, in the District of Columbia, in transit, and while temporarily sojourning with the owner in the non-slaveholding States and Territories north of 36 degrees 30 minutes; and, when fugitives from the owner, in the several places above named, as well as in all places, in the exclusive jurisdiction of Congress in the non-slaveholding States.

Second. That in all the territory of the United States now held, or which may be hereafter acquired, south of the parallel of 36 degrees 30 minutes, African slavery shall be recognized as existing, and be protected by all the departments of the federal and territorial government; and in all north of that line, now owned or to be acquired, it shall not be recognized as existing. And whenever States formed out of any said Territory south of said line, having a population equal to that of a Congressional District, shall apply for admission into the Union, the same shall be admitted as slave States whilst States north of the line formed out of said territory, and having a population equal to a Congressional District, shall be admitted without slavery, but the States formed out of said territory north and south having been admitted as members of the Union, shall have all the powers over the institution of slavery possessed by the other States of the Union.

Third. Congress shall have no power to abolish slavery in places under its exclusive jurisdiction, and situate within the limits of States that permit the holding of slaves.

Fourth. Congress shall have no power to abolish slavery within the District of Columbia, so long as it exists in the adjoining States of Virginia and Maryland, or either, nor without the consent of the inhabitants, nor without just compensation made to such owners of slaves as do not consent to such abolishment. Nor shall Congress at any time prohibit officers of the Federal Government, or members of Congress, whose duties require them to be in said District, from bringing with them their slaves, and holding them as such during the time their duties may require them to remain there, and afterwards taking them from the District.

Fifth. Congress shall have no power to prohibit or hinder the transportation of slaves from one State to another, or to a Territory in which slaves are by law permitted to be held, whether that transportation be by land, navigable river, or by the sea.

Sixth. In addition to the provisions of the third paragraph of the second section of the fourth article of the Constitution of the United States, Congress shall have power to provide by law, and it shall be its duty so to provide, that the United States shall pay to the owner who shall apply for it, the full value of his fugitive slave in all cases where the marshall or other officer whose duty it was to arrest said fugitive was prevented from so doing by violence or intimidation, or when, after arrest, said fugitive was rescued by force, and the owner thereby prevented and obstructed in the pursuit of his remedy for the recovery of his fugitive slave under the said clause of the Constitution and the laws made in pursuance thereof. And in all such cases, when the United States shall pay for such fugitive, they shall have the right, in their own name, to sue the county in which said violence, intimidation, or rescue was committed, and to recover from it, with interest and damages, the amount paid by them for said fugitive slave. And the said county, after it has paid said amount to the United States, may, for its indemnity, sue and recover from the wrong-doers or rescuers by whom the owner was prevented from the recovery of his fugitive slave, in like manner as the owner himslef might have sued and recovered.

Seventh. No future amendment of the Constitution shall affect the five preceding articles; nor the third paragraph of the second section of the first article of the Constitution; nor the third paragraph of the second section of the fourth article of said Constitution; and no amendment will be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress any power to abolish or interfere with slavery in any of the States by whose laws it is or may be allowed or permitted.

Eighth. That slave property shall be rendered secure in transit through, or while temporarily sojourning in the non-slaveholding States or Territories, or in the District of Columbia.

Ninth. An amendment to the effect that all fugitives are to be deemed those offending the laws within the jurisdiction of the State, and who escape therefrom to other States; and that it is the duty of each State to suppress armed invasions of another State

Slavery slavery slavery... Well you get the idea. It's not me saying slavery over and over again. It's them

 

[SandSquid]

And gov Harris's call to the Tennessee legislature to act:

EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT,
NASHVILLE, January 7, 1861

Gentlemen of the Senate and House of Representatives:

THE ninth section of the third article of the Constitution, provides that, on extraordinary occasions, the Governor may convene the General Assembly. Believing the emergency contemplated, to exist at this time I have called you together. In welcoming you to the capitol of the State, I can but regret the gloomy auspices under which we meet. Grave and momentous issues have arisen, which, to an unprecedented degree, agitate the public mind and imperil the perpetuity of the Government.

The systematic, wanton, and long continued agitation of the slavery question, with the actual and threatened aggressions of the Northern States and a portion of their people, upon the well-defined constitutional rights of the Southern citizen; the rapid growth and increase, in all the elements of power, of a purely sectional party, whose bond of union is uncompromising hostility to the rights and institutions of the fifteen Southern States, have produced a crisis in the affairs of the country, unparalleled in the history of the past, resulting already in the withdrawal from the Confederacy of one of the sovereignties which composed it, while others are rapidly preparing to move in the same direction. Fully appreciating the imortance of the duties which devolve upon you, fraught, as your action must be, with consequences of the highest possible importance to the people of Tennessee; knowing that, as a great Commonwealth, our own beloved State is alike interested with her sisters, who have resorted, and are preparing to resort, to this fearful alternative, I have called you together for the purpose of calm and dispassionate deliberation, earnestly trusting, as the chosen representatives of a free and enlightened people, that you will, at this critical juncture of our affairs, prove yourselves equal to the occasion which has called for the exercise of your talent and patriotism.

A brief review of the history of the past is necessary to a proper understanding of the issues presented for your consideration.

Previous to the adoption of the Federal Constitution, each State was a separate and independent Government-a conplete sovereignty within itself --and in the compact of union, each reserved all the rights and powers incident to sovereignty, except such as were expressly delegated by the Constitution to the General Government, or such as were clearly incident, and necessary, to the exercise of some expressly delegated power. The Constitution distinctly recognizes property in slaves -- makes it the duty of the States to deliver the fugitive to his owner, but contains no grant of power to the Federal Government to interfere with this species of property, except "the power coupled with the duty," common to all civil Governments, to protect the rights of property, as well as those of life and liberty, of the citizen, which clearly appears from the exposition given to that instrument by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of Dred Scott vs. Sandford. In delivering the opinion of the Court, Chief Justice Taney said:

"Now, as we have already said in an earlier part of this opinion upon a different point, the right of property in a slave is distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Constitution."

"And no word can be found in the Constitution which gives Congress a greater power over slave property, or which entitles property of that kind to less protection than property of any other description. The only power conferred, is the power coupled with the duty, of guarding and protecting the owner in his rights."

This decision of the highest judicial tribunal, known to our Government, settles the question, beyond the possibility of doubt, that slave property rests upon the same basis, and is entitled to the same protection, as every other description of property; that the General Government has no power to circumscribe or confine it within any given boundary; to determine where it shall, or shall not exist, or in any manner to impair its value. And certainly it will not be contended, in this enlightened age, that any member of the Confederacy can exercise higher powers, in this respect, beyond the limits of its own boundary, than those delegated to the General Government.

The States entered the Union upon terms of perfect political equality, each delegating certain powers to the General Government, but neither deterring any power to the other to interfere with its reserved rights or domestic affairs; hence, there is no power on earth which can rightfully determine whether slavery shall or shall not exist within the limits of any State, except the people thereof acting in their highest sovereign capacity.

The attempt of the Northern people, through the instrumentality of the Federal Govermuent -- their State governments, and emigrant aid societies--to confine this species of property within the limits of the present Southern States--to impair its value by constant agitation and refusal to deliver up the fugitive--to appropriate the whole of the Territories, which are the common property all the people of all the States, to the Southern man who is unwilling to live under a government which, may by law recognize the free negroe as his equal; "and in fine, to put the question where the Northern mind will rest in the belief of its ultimate extinction" is justly regarded by the people of the Southern States as a gross and palpable violation of the spirit and obvious meaning of the compact of Union--an impertinent intermeddling with their domestic affairs, destructive of fraternal feeling, ordinary comity, and well defined rights.

As slavery receded from the North, it was followed by the most violent and fanatical opposition. At first the anti-slavery cloud, which now overshadows the nation, was no larger than a man's hand. Most of you can remember, with vivid distinctness, those days of brotlierhood,.when throughout the whole North, the abolitionist was justly regarded as an enemy of his country. Weak, diminutive and contemptible as was this part in the purer days of the Republic, it has now grown to collossal proportions, and its recent rapid strides to power, have given it possession of the.present House of Representatives, and elected one of its leaders to the Presidency of the United States; and in the progress of events, the Senate and Supreme Court must also soon pass into the hands of this party -- a party upon whose revolutionary banner is inscribed, "No more slave States, no more slave Territory, no return of the fugitive to his master" -- an "irrepressible conflict" between the Free and Slave States; "and whether it, be long or short, peaceful or bloody, the struggle shall go on, until the sun shall not rise upon a master or set upon a slave."

Nor is this all; it seeks to appropriate to itself, and to exclude the slaveholder from the territory acquired by the common blood and treasure of all the States.

It has, through the instrumentality of Emigrant Aid Societies, under State patronage, flooded the Territories with its minions, armed with Sharp's rifles and bowie knives, seeking thus to accomplish, by intimidation, violence and murder what it could not do by constitutional legislation.

It demanded, and from our love of peace and devotion to the Union, unfortunately extorted in 1819-'20, a concession which excluded the South from about half the territory acquired from France.

It demanded, and again received, as a peace offering in 1845, all of that part of Texas, North of 36 deg. 30' North latitude, if at any time the interest of the people thereof shall require a division of her territory.

It would submit to nothing less than a compromise in 1850, by which it dismembered that State, and remanded to territorial condition a considerable portion of its territory South of 36 30.

It excluded, by the same Compromise, the Southern people from California, whose mineral wealth, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate, is not surpassed on earth, by prematurely forcing her into the Union under a Constitution, conceived in fraud by a set of adventurers, in the total absence of any law authorizing the formation of a Constitution, fixing the qualification of voters, regulating the time, place, or manner of electing delegates, or the time or place of the meeting of such Convention. Yet all these irregular and unauthorized proceedings were.sanctified by the fact that the Constitution prohibited slavery, and forever closed the doors of that rich and desirable territory against the Southern people. And while the Southern mind was still burning under a humiliating sense of this wrong, it refused to admit Kansas into the Union upon a Constitution, framed by authority of Congress, and by delegates elected in conforinity to law, upon the ground that slavery was recognized and protected.

It claims the constitutional right to abolish slavery in the District of Columbia, the forts, arsenals, dock-yards and other places ceded to the United States, within the limits of slaveholding States.

It proposes a prohibition of the slave trade between the States, thereby crowding the slaves together and preventing their exit South, until they become unprofitable to an extent that will force the owner finally to abandon them in self-defence.

It has, by the deliberate Legislative enactments of a large majority of the Northern States, openly and flagrantly nullified that clause of the Constitution which provides that --

"No person held to service or labor in one State under the laws thereof, escaping into service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such labor may be due."

This provision of the Constitution has been spurned and trampled under foot by these "higher law " nullifiers. It is utterly powerless for good, since all attempts to enforce the fugitive slave law under it are made a felony in some of these States, a high misdemeanor in others, and punishable in all by heavy fines and imprisonment. The distempered public opinion of these localities having risen above the Constitution and all other law, planting itself upon the anarchical doctrines of the "higher law," with impunity defies the Government, tramples upon our rights, and plunders the Southern citizen.

It has, through the Governor of Ohio, openly nullified that part of the Constitution which provides that-"A person charged in any State.with treason, felony, or other crime, who shall flee from jistice and be found in another State, shall, on demand of the executive authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having jurisdiction of the crime."

In discharge of official duty, I had occasion, within the past year, to demand of the Governor of Ohio "a person charged in the State (of Tennessee) with the crime" of slave stealing, who had fled from justice, and was found in the State of Ohio. The Governor refused to issue his warrant for the arrest and delivery of the fugitive, and in answer to a letter of inquiry which I addressed to him, said: 'The crime of negro stealing not being known to either the common law or the criminal code of Ohio, it is not of that class of crimes contemplated by the Federal Constitution, for the commission of which I am authorized, as the executive of Ohio, to surrender a fugitive from the justice of a sister State, and hence I declined to issue a warrant," &c.; thus deliberately nullifying and setting at defiance the clause of the Constitution above quoted, as well as the act of Congress of February 12th, 1793, and grossly violating the ordinary comity existing between separate and independent nations, much less the comity which should exist between sister States of the same great Confederacy; the correspondence connected with which is herewith transmitted.

It has, through the executive authority of other States, denied extradition of murderers and marauders.

It obtained its own compromise in the Constitution to continue the importation of slaves, and now sets up a law, higher than the Constitution, to destroy this property imported and sold to us by their fathers.

It has caused the murder of owners in pursuit of their fugitive slaves, and shielded the murderers from punishment.

It has, upon many occasions, sent its emissaries into the Southerri States to corrupt our slaves; induce them to run off, or excite them to insurrection.

It has run off slave property by means of the "underground railroad," amounting in value to millions of dollars, and thus made the tenure by which slaves are held in the border States so precarious as to materially impair their value.

It has, by its John Brown and Montgomery raids, invaded sovereign States and murdered peaceable citizens.

It has justified and "exalted to the highest honors of admiration, the horrid murders, arsons, and rapine of the John Brown raid, and has canonized the felons as saints and martyrs."

It has burned the towns, poisoned the cattle, and conspired with the slaves to depopulate Northern Texas.

It has, through certain leaders, proclaimed to the slaves the terrible motto, "Alarm to the sleep, fire to the dwellings, poison to the food and water of slaveholders."

It has repudiated and denounced the decision of the Supreme Court.

It has assailed our rights as guarantied by the plainest provisions of the Constitution, from the floor of each house of Congress, the pulpit, the hustings, the school-room, their State Legislatures, and through the public press, dividing and disrupting churches, political parties, and civil governments.

It has, in the person of the President elect, asserted the equality of the black with the white race.

These are some of the wrongs against which we have remonstrated for more than a quarter of a century, hoping, but in vain, for their redress, until some of our sister States, in utter despair of obtaining justice at the hands of these lawless confederates, have resolved to sever the ties which have bound them together, and maintain those rights out of the Union, which have been the object of constant attack and encroachment within it.

No one will assert that the Southern States or people have, at any time, failed to perform, fully and in good faith, all of the duties which the Constitution devolves upon them.

Nor will it be pretended that they have, at any time, encroached or attempted aggression upon the rights of a Northern sister State. The Government was for many years under the control of Southern statesmen, but in originating and perfecting measures of policy, be it said to the perpetual bonor of the South, she has never attempted to encroach upon a single constitutional right of the North. The journals of Congress will not show even the introduction of a single proposition, by any Southern Representative, calculated to impair her rights in property, injure her trade, or wound her sensibilities. Nor have they at any time demanded at the hands of the Federal Government, or Northern States, more than their well-defined rights under the Constitution. So far from it, they have tolerated these wrongs, from a feeling of loyalty and devotion to the Union, with a degree of patience and forbearance uparalleled in the history of a brave and free people. Moreover, they have quietly submitted to a revenue system which indirectly, but certainly, taxes the products of slave labor some fifty or sixty millions of dollars annually, to increase the manufacturing profits of those who have thus presistently and wickedly assailed them.

To evade the issue thus forced upon us at this time, without the fullest security for our rights, is, in my opinion, fatal to the institution of slavery forever. The time has arrived when the people of the South must prepare either to abandon or to fortify and maintain it. Abandon it, we cannot, interwoven as it is with our wealth, prosperity, and domestic happiness. We owe it to the mechanic whose shop is closed, to the multiplied thousands of laborers thrown out of employment, to the trader made bankrupt by this agitation. We owe it to ourselves, our children, our self- respect and equality in the Government, to have this question settled permanently and forever upon terms consistent with justice and honor, and which will give us peace and perfect securiity for the present and future.

Palliatives and opiates, in the character of legislative compromises, may be applied, afording momentary relief; but there will be no permanent safety, security, or peace, until Northern prejudice has been eradicated, and the public sentiment of that section radically changed and nationalized. To attempt the application of effective remedies before this great object has been accomplished, is like cleansing the stream while the fountain itself is poisoned.

The consequences and immense interests which are involved in the proper solution of the difficulties that surround us, the deep, lasting, and vital importance of settling them upon principles of justice and equality, demand the most serious consideration of the whole people, as well as that of the public functionaries of the State. Whilst I cheerfully submit to your discretion the whole question of our federal relations, having no doubt myself as to the necessity and propriety of calling a State Convention, yet I respectfully recommend that you provide by law for submitting to the people of the State the question of Convention or No Convention, and also for the election of delegates by the people, in the ratio of legislative representation, to meet in State Convention, at the Capitol, at Nashville, at the earliest day practicable, to take into consideration our federal relations, and determine what action shall be taken by the State of Tennessee for the security of the rights and the peace of her citizens.

The question of Convention or No Convention, can and should be determined, and the delegates chosen at the same election, which can be very easily accomplished by heading one set of tickets CONVENTION, and another set NO CONVENTION. If a majority of the people vote for Convention, then the persons receiving the largest number of votes in their respective counties and districts, to be commissioned as delegates.

This will place the whole matter in the hands of the people, for them, in their sovereignty, to determine how far their rights have been violated, the character of redress or guaranty they will demand, or the action they will take for their present and future security.

If there be a remedy for the evils which afflict the country, consistent with the perpetuity of the Union, it will, in my opinion, be found in such constitutional amendments as will deprive the fanatical majorities of the North of the power to invade our rights, or impair the security or value of our property.

Clear and well defined as our rights are, under the present Constitution, to participate equally with the citizens of all other States in the settlement of the common Territories, and to hold our slaves there until excluded by the formation of a State Constitution, yet every organized Territory will become a field of angry, if not bloody, strife between the Southern man and the Abolitionist, and we shall see the tragedies of Kansas reenacted in each of them, as they approach the period of forming their State Constitutions.

Plain and unmistakable as is the duty of each State to deliver up the fugitive slave to his owner, yet the attempt to reclaim is at the peril of the master's life. These evils can be obviated to a great extent, if not entirely, by the following amendments to the Constitution:

1st. Establish a line upon the northern boundary of the present Slave States, and extend it through the Territories to the Pacific Ocean, upon such parallel of latitude as will divide them equitably between the North- and South, expressly providing that all the territory now owned, or that may be hereafter acquired North of that line, shall be forever free, and all South of it forever slave. This will remove the question of existence or nonexistence of slavery in our States and Territories entirely and forever from the arena of politics. The question being settled by the Constitution, is no longer open for the politician to ride into position by appealing to fanatical prejudices, or assailing the rights of his neighbors.

2d. In addition to the fugitive slave clause provide, that when slave has been demanded of the executive authority of the State to which he has fled, if lie is not delivered, and the owner permitted to carry him out of the State in peace, that the State so failing to deliver, shall pay to the owner double the value of such slave, and secure his right of action in the Supreme Court of the United States. This will secure the return of the slave to his owner, or his value, with a sufficient sum to indemnify him for the expenses necessarily incident to the recovery.

3d. Provide for the protection of the owner in the peaceable possession of his slave while in transitoin, or temporarily sojourning in any of the States of the Confederacy; and in the event of the slave's escape or being taken from the owner, require the State to return, or account for him as in case of the fugitive.

4th. Expressly prohibit Congress from abolishing slavery in the District of Columbia, in any dock yard, navy yard, arsenal, or district of any character whatever, within the limits of any slave State.

5th. That these provisions shall never be changed, except by the consent of all the slave States.

With these amendments to the Constitution, I should feel that our rights were reasonably secure, not only in theory, but in fact, and should indulge the hope of living in the Union in peace. Without these, or some other amendments, which promise an equal amount and certainty of security, there is no hope of peace or security in the government.

If the non-slaveholding States refuse to comply with a demand so just and reasonable ; refuse to abandon at once and forever their unjust war upon us, our institutions, and our rights ; refuse, as they have heretofore done, to perform, in good faith, the obligations of the compact of union, much as we may appreciate the power, prosperity, greatness and glory of this government; deeply as we deplore the existence of causes which have already driven one State from the Union ; much as we may regret the imperative necessity which they have wantonly and wickedly forced upon us, every consideration of self-respect require that we should assert and maintain our "equality in the Union, or independence out of it."

In my opinion, the only mode left us of perpetuating the Union upon the principles of justice and equality, upon which it was originally established, is by the Southern States, identified as they are in interest, sentiment, and feeling, and must, in the natural course of events, share a common destiny, uniting in the expression of a fixed and unalterable resolve, that the rights guaranteed by the Constitution must be respected, and fully and perfectly secured in the present government, or asserted and maintained in a homogeneous Confederacy of Southern States.

Mere questions of policy may be very often properly compromised, but there can be no compromise of cardinal and vital principles; no compromise between right and wrong. Principle must be vindicated, and right triumphant, be the consequences what they may. To compromise the one, or abandon the other, is not only unmanly and humiliating in the extreme, but always disastrous in its final results.

The South has no power to reunite the scattered fragments of a violated Constitution and a once glorious government. She is acting on the defensive. She has been driven to the wall, and can submit to no further aggression. The North, however, can restore the Constitutional Union of our fathers, by undoing their work of alienation and hate, engendered by thirty years of constant aggression, and by unlearning the lessons of malignant hostility to the South and her institutions, with which their press, pulpit, and schools have persistently infected the public mind.

Let them do this, and peace will again establish her court in the midst of this once happy country, and the union of these States be restored to that spirit of fraternity, equality, and justice, which gave it birth.

Let them do this, and the vitality which has been crushed out of the Constitution may be restored, giving renewed strength and vigor to the body politic.

But can we hope for such results? Two months have already passed, since the development of facts which make the perpetuity of the Union depend, alone, upon their giving to the South satisfactory guarantees for her chartered rights. Yet, there has been no proposition at all satisfactory, made by any member of the dominant and aggressive party of that section. So far from it, their Senators and Representatives in Congress have voted down and spurned every proposition that looked to the accomplishment of this object, no matter whence emanating ; and the fact that their constituents have, in no authoritative manner, issued words of rebuke or warning to them, must be taken as conclusive proof of their acquiescence in the policy.

In view of these facts, I cannot close my eyes to the conclusion that Tennessee will be powerless in any efforts she may make to quell the storm that pervades the country. The work of alienation and disruption has gone so far, that it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to arrest it; and before our adjournment, in all human probability, the only practical question for the State to determine will be whether she will unite her fortunes with a Northern or Southern Confederacy; upon which question, when- presented, I am certain there can be little or no division in sentiment, identified as we are in every respect with the South.

If this calamity shall befall the country, the South will have the consolation of knowing that she is in no manner responsible for the disaster. The responsibility rests alone upon the Northern people, who have wilfully broken the bond of union, repudiated the obligations and duties which it imposes, and only cling to its benefits. Yet even in this dark hour of responsibility and peril, let no man countenance the idea for a moment, that the dissolution of the Federal Union reduces the country to anarchy, or proves the theory of self government to be a failure. Such conclusions would be not only erroneous but unworthy of ourselves, and our revolutionary ancestry, while our State governments exist, possessing all the machinery, perfect and complete, which is necessary to the purposes of civil government, just as they existed before the Union was formed.

The sages and patriots of the revolution, when in the act of severing their connection with the mother country, and establishing the great cardinal principles of free government, solemnly declared that governments were instituted among men to secure their rights "to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same obiect, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Recognizing these great principles, the people of Tennessee incorporated in their declaration of rights, as a fundamental article of the Constitution of the State, "That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

Whatever line of policy may be adopted by the people of Tennessee, with regard to the present Federal relations of the State, I am sure that the swords of her brave and gallant sons will never be drawn for the purpose of coercing, subjugating, or holding as a conquered province, any one of her sister States, whose people may declare their independence of the Federal Government, for the purpose of being relieved from "a long train of abuses and usurpations." To admit the right or policy of coercion, would be untrue to the example of our fathers and the glorious memories of the past, destructive of those great and fundamental principles of civil liberty, purchased with their blood ; destructive of State soveriegnty and equality; tending to centralization, and thus subject the rights of the minority to the despotism of an unrestrained majority.

Widely as we may differ with some of our sister Southern States as to the wisdom of their policy; desirous as we may be that whatever action taken in this emergency, should be taken by the South as a unit; hopeful as we may be of finding some remedy for onr grievances consistent with the perpetuity of the present Confederacy, the question, at last, is one which each member of the Confederacy must determine for itself, and any attempt on the part of the others to hold, by means of military force, an unwilling sovereignty as a member of a common Union, must inevitably lead to the worst form of internecine war, and if successful, result in the establishment of a new and totally different government from the one established by the Constitution-the Constitutional Union being a Union of consent, and not of force, of peace, and not of blood-composed of sovereignties, free, and politically equal. But the new and coercive government, while it would "derive its powers" to govern a portion of the States "from the consent of the governed" would derive the power by which it governed the remainder from the cannon and the sword, and not from their consent -- a Union, not of equals, but of the victors and the vanquished, pinned together by the bayonet and congealed in blood.

I devoutly trust that a merciful Povidence may avert such a calamity, and believe that there is no respectable portion of our people, whatever may be their differences of opinion upon other questions, who are so blind to reason, or so lost to patriotism and every sentiment of civil liberty, as to give countenance to a policy so fatal in its results, and so revolting to every sentiment of humanity.

While I sincerely trust that Tennessee may never be driven to the desperate alternative of appealing to arms in defence of the rights of her people, I nevertheless deem it proper, in view of the present excited state of the public mind and unsettled condition of the country, to call your attention to the fact that, with the exception of a small number of volunteer companies, we have no military organization in the State, the militia havig disorganized immediately after the repeal of the law which required drills and public parades. Independent of the impending crisis, I regard a thorough re-organization of the militia as imperatively demanded by every considerition of prudence and safety. I therefore submit the question to your consideration, with the earnest hope that you will adopt such plan of organization as will secure to the State at all times, and under all circumstances, an efficient and reliable military force.

I am unable, in the absence of full reports from the clerks of the several counties, to inform you as to the military strength of the State. Such reports as have been made to this department sliall be laid before you. I do not doubt, however, that the milita strength of the State may be safely estimated at one hundred and twenty thousand men.

It is proper, in this connection, that I call your attention to the report of John Heriges, Keeper of Public Arms, herewith transmitted, showing the number, character, and condition of the public arms of the State, and respectfully recommend that you provide for the purchase of such number and character of arms, for the use of the State, as may be necessary to thoroughly arm an efficient military force.

I regret that I cannot close this communication with the foregoing recital of facts pertaining to the all important political crisis of the day.

But a comparative failure of crops for two successive years, with the destruction of commercial confidence, resulting in the suspension of commercial transactions, general stagnation of trade, and financial embarrassment which pervade the whole country, with its ever attendant evil of general pecuniary distress, at the beginning of which many of the banks in the State suspended specie payment, thereby incurring the penalties prescribed by the banking code of the last session.

It is asserted, and I suppose truly, that the condition of the banks was such as not to make suspension necessary on their own account; that by the adoption of a purely selfish policy, they could have weathered the storm and sustained themselves, but to have done so they must have cut off all discounts, and enforced the collection of their debts from the people, which would have increased the general distress. It is also argued, with great earnestness, by a very large number of the people, that you should pass laws for relief, and in order to enable the banks to afford the greatest possible assistance to the people until another crop can be made, that the penalties incurred by the suspension of the banks should be released.

While I am confident in the opinion that the suspension of specie payment by the banks is wrong in principle, and tends to depreciate the currency and unsettle the standard of value, I am equally confiderit that the policy of relief laws, to which this general pecuniary distress has driven the public mind, is, to say the least of it, of doubtful policy, and generally injurious in their ultimate effects upon the community. The idea of freeing a people from pecuniary distress by legislation, is, to my mind, an impossibility. Yet so universal is the anxiety expressed, and so confident the hope of relief from the adoption of the policy suggested, that while I cannot concur in the truth of the argument, or recommend the adoption of the policy, I do not feel at liberty obstinately to stand between the people of the State and their chosen Representatives, to prevent the adoption of such legislation connected with these questions as they may think will promote their interest and general welfare.

I therefore submit to your consideration these questions for such action as you in your discretion, may see proper to take with regard to them.

I am aware that there are many questions of a general character with regard to which the constituents of many of you desire legislation, but having convened you in extraordinary session, upon what I conceived to be an extraordinary occasion in the history of the country, and feeling the necessity of prompt and immediate action upon the absorbing questions connected with the political crisis of the day, I have intentionally avoided submitting any others than those to which I have especially called attention, trusting that no material interest will suffer by being postponed until the next regular session of the General Assembly.

With the earnest hope that your session may be short and agreeable, and devoutly trusting that an All Wise Providence may watch over your deliberations, and guide and direct you in the adoption of such measures as will redound to the general welfare, peace, prosperity, and glory of our State and country, the questions, fraught as they are with weighty responsibilities and fearfully important consequences, are respectfully committed to your hands.

ISHAM G. HARRIS.

 

[miketx]

For those who want to keep the memory of the confederacy alive, understand confederates were considered traitors by the U.S. government. Also some of us need to learn the complete truth of the civil war.

Confiscation Act of 1862

The Confiscation Act was passed on July 17, 1862.[3] The defining characteristic of the act was that it called for court proceedings for seizure of land and property from disloyal citizens (supporters of the Confederacy) in the South as well as the emancipation of their slaves that came under Union control.[2] Under this act, conviction of treason against the U.S. could be punishable by death or carry a minimum prison sentence of five years and a minimum fine of $10,000.[3] This law also stated that any citizen convicted of aiding and abetting any person known to have committed treason against the United States could be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a maximum fine of $200,000, if convicted.[3] This law specifically targeted the seizure of property of any Confederate military officer, Confederate public office holder, persons who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy or any citizen of a loyal Union state who has given aid or support to any of the aforementioned traitors to the United States of America.[3] This act helped the Union military because freed slaves could supply the forces with information to gain a strategic advantage over the Confederates.[2]

One slave, March Haynes, began smuggling slaves to the freedom of the Union lines with the help of Union General Quincy Adams Gilmore. In return for his help, Haynes provided Gilmore with "exact and valuable information" on the location of Confederate defenses and the strength of their forces.[2]

Confiscation Act of 1862 - Wikipedia

When your kind gets through destroying history no one will be able to know this. Carry on fool.

 

[SandSquid]

And if little Mary is still out there extolling his false history of Florida, here's their legislatures resolutions in their secession convention:

Report of the Florida Joint Select Committee on Federal Relations

Hmmm slavery..... Over and over.

 

[Jitss617]

Yes and some OWNED SLAVES LOL

And all of them were black slaves. Got it. Owning black people is bad. Killing hundreds of thousands of American men, women, and children to fight for the right to own black people is really bad.

Why are you not telling me those "players" who weren't for slavery? Cat got your tongue kiddo?

Seems all you want to do when you see a fact, is change the subject.

Lol farmers that had no slaves lol hello mcfly

Which farmer are you saying was part of this pro secessionists movement, calling for secession, leading the legislative votes for secession and being a player in that movement?

Yes there were farmers without slaves. That's why renting slaves was such a big thing. Now if you want to look at a group of farmers that didn't own slaves, those in West Virginia would be a great place to look.

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Can basically draw their border with that map of slave demographics... Oh wait those farmers rebelled against secession... Oops!

Do you have a list of all farmers and there views?? I didn’t think so lol

You are the one making that claim not me moron. So which leading secessionist farmer who was a "player" in the secession was anti-slavery.

Fuck you are dumb aren't ya

No it’s your clam that all southerners cared about slavery. Just wondering where your list is

 

[Mike Dwight]

But THAT is JUST what happened to be Infringed by a Northern President. I Still don't say a Single proof you've given in Pages about slavery being a known issue of the war to anyone starting on the Confederate side in a Civil War. The Typical Confederate captive asked the Union Man "What are they Doing Here", end of discussion, as is typical in Jackson's Biography, because this was about the tyrannization of States. You're just listing the Laws that Happened to be infringed with the Northern States, when Nobody cares necessarily about the technicality of laws violation as anyone in Tennessee For Example talking about Slavery and the institution of Slavery. THAT is the Northern Lie, a Total Lie and you are Totally infected with your arguments with it, when Woodrow Wilson said these were plunderers and "Adventurers" and the Southern warrior wasn't a pirate, who answered a call to militia With No Plunder in sight, with no gain in sight but his home.

The First Line of any Historian on the Civil War I believe of any merit, is about a Different Society in the North and The South, and nobody in a state of negotiation. That is Not going to boil down to the reason the South needed to defend itself as being Slavery. Or however you want to put it. They threw in Irish and Germans right off the immigrant boats on the first ever Immigrations, and American became not an ethnic identification but this prideful Napoleonic Citizenship we know today.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Further I'm here to say, if a Faithless Abraham Lincoln of self-defined holiness, didn't come up with his own political advantage, then there wouldn't have been a war. No, the Presbyterian Religion established in the Confederacy returned America to the Puritan faith of our Father's God of those Native to this American land faithfully continued with Woodrow Wilson and the Confederate provisional Government period. That faith which was MORE OFTEN SPOKEN OF than Slavery you should see, as is evident, was the God of Europe and the God of Civilization, the God of Scotland. Today Presbyterians are forced by Government to be against Scotland! These are the Depths of the Nationalist Lying Fervor that, no one hides truth but the Union Man! Go Check Scotland the Brave!

 

[Mike Dwight]

I Guess you'd tell Alma Gluck to shut up on all her Southern and Religious favorites, when immigrants keep getting turned to meat by New York and their Factories, and you just absolutely know the correct "way" of things at this time during the Southern States. If these legislators You like didn't call it Slavery there'd be another word that would be taboo today.
Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Wikipedia
Woodrow Wilson - Wikipedia

 

[SandSquid]

And all of them were black slaves. Got it. Owning black people is bad. Killing hundreds of thousands of American men, women, and children to fight for the right to own black people is really bad.

Why are you not telling me those "players" who weren't for slavery? Cat got your tongue kiddo?

Seems all you want to do when you see a fact, is change the subject.

Lol farmers that had no slaves lol hello mcfly

Which farmer are you saying was part of this pro secessionists movement, calling for secession, leading the legislative votes for secession and being a player in that movement?

Yes there were farmers without slaves. That's why renting slaves was such a big thing. Now if you want to look at a group of farmers that didn't own slaves, those in West Virginia would be a great place to look.

View attachment 264183

Can basically draw their border with that map of slave demographics... Oh wait those farmers rebelled against secession... Oops!

Do you have a list of all farmers and there views?? I didn’t think so lol

You are the one making that claim not me moron. So which leading secessionist farmer who was a "player" in the secession was anti-slavery.

Fuck you are dumb aren't ya

No it’s your clam that all southerners cared about slavery. Just wondering where your list is

Nope just the leading secessionists... Which AGAIN, what "player" of that group was anti-slavery. Your claim. Not mine