Concealed carry: customer thwarts armed robbers, might face charges

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    Wow! Some really intricate legal and moral issues involved here.

    First off, it appears (to me, anyway) that the shooter was within his legal rights to draw down on the bad guys because at least one of them was displaying a weapon (a shotgun). It doesn't matter that the shooter was not the person being robbed. Deadly force can be used to defend against deadly force against others.

    Now, having said that, last time I looked, vigilantism is against the law - which puts two different aspects of society on a collision course with each other in a society that allows concealed carry of weapons. Suddnely, in such a society, there are a whole lot of potential vigilantes walking around all over the place, aren't there? And what happens when they act as such? That would seem to be the question in this case.

    I'm not sure I think that our society would be better off with a bunch of armed, potential vigilantes out there. Which is worse - that a store gets robbed or that people die? Now, we are getting into a philosophical position where reasonable minds can certainly differ.

    I don't think that the "prohibition against guns" in the store in this particular case is going to mean anything. Under the facts of this case, I say shooter wins. But, that is not to say that I endorse such activity.
     
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    Shooting someone who is committing a robbery is not vigilantism, tracking them down later and shooting them is.
     
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    The only regrettable thing here, George, is that we have two live criminals rather than two dead ones. The recidivism rate among dead thugs is exactly zero, and here, a citizen had a chance to send two of them to hell...legally. Personally I like my violent felons one way;in a body bag. (I think we should put a bounty on them, myself). Now, in this case, what we have, is a thug, shot in the act of committing a violent felony, with a firearm. Seems to me, that is exactly what concealed carry laws are supposed to allow. The fact that charges are even being discussed is, frankly speaking, ludicrous. All I see, is somewhat inadequate marksmanship, and/or inadequate choice of a weapon. Oh well, no one is perfect.
     
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    If the shooter in this case is properly advised he will insist he believed the life of the store clerk was in imminent danger and his action was unavoidably necessary to prevent the clerk from being killed. That will weigh heavily in his favor in spite of any other considerations.

    The store's anti-gun policy exists for the sole purpose of defense in lawsuits. In this case I strongly doubt the store will be foolish enough to protest the shooter's action because there was no collateral harm to anyone and the outcome was 100% positive.

    Based on the issue being made of this shooter's action I'm assuming Milwaukee must be an anti-gun state, like New York, New Jersey, etc. Because I'm sure if the same thing happened in a state like Arizona, Texas, etc., it would get two or three inches on Page 3, ten seconds on the six o'clock news and nothing more.
     
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    Good point. My choice of the term "viglante" was probably not well taken. That does not change the fact that, generally speaking, police officers are the preferred method for taking crime-commiting felons into cusdtody and/or stopping crimes in progress, not armed citizens who presumably do not have the training or experience to do the type of job a police officer could.
     
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    And yet you know full well the chance a cop is at a crime scene AS IT OCCURS is pretty damn slim. Someone should start a recall petition on the DA for even considering charging the man. Deadly force is authorized to save or protect others lives.
     
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    Yes, cops are rarely there when the crime occurs. We call that too bad. We also call it too bad when some amateur John Wayne who thinks he is going to be a do-gooding hero, gets his gun taken away from him by the bad guy, and shot with it.

    Right, tough guy?
     
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    And how many times has that happened?
     

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