Common sense gun regulations--need to be passed now.

[boedicca]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

None of these will prevent and evil-sick person from acquiring weapons on the black market in order to kill people.

What they will accomplish is to make law-abiding people less able to defend themselves and others.

 

[boedicca]

Common sense gun control means train and arm the teachers.

Guns aren't even the issue. The problem is a cultural one.

It's not a coincidence that a socially awkward young man who had a chaotic family situation in a society which treats boys and men as evil did something evil.

 

[2aguy]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

No...we did not have 18 school shootings that lie has already been exposed.....

Banning rifles and magazines will do nothing......pump action shotguns, lever action rifles and revolvers would kill just as many people..

The shooter was in the building 6 minutes with one rifle.....

killed 17.

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France, with a rental Truck and 5 minutes murdered 86.

The rest of your list is stupid....wouldn't have stopped any of the attacks....

 

[2aguy]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Moron....the democrats had power the first 2 years obama was in office...they didn't vote for any of those things....

 

[oreo]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

Moral relativism is not just the 'new norm' it is being championed just about everywhere... Is it any wonder that we have infanticide in the 10's of millions, Judaeo Christian standards are gleefully being repudiated and replaced.... How can we be surprised... it makes perfect sense that we see this evil acted out in the form of senseless, depraved shootings. Best advice I can think of "trust in God but keep your powder dry" Jon Smith (I think)

Well right now, women's uterus's are more regulated than guns in this country. This is the REPUBLICAN way of getting things done--
My Guns Are Less Regulated Than My Uterus | HuffPost

Yet the women who give birth and send their kids off to school to get slaughered. Then it's OH--by golly we're real sorry about that, but we're not going to do JACK SHIT about it.

 

[yiostheoy]

Common sense gun control means train and arm the teachers.

Guns aren't even the issue. The problem is a cultural one.

It's not a coincidence that a socially awkward young man who had a chaotic family situation in a society which treats boys and men as evil did something evil.

I see it as a security issue.

Schools need to become fortresses with iron doors and metal detectors and armed security officers.

 

[yiostheoy]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

Moral relativism is not just the 'new norm' it is being championed just about everywhere... Is it any wonder that we have infanticide in the 10's of millions, Judaeo Christian standards are gleefully being repudiated and replaced.... How can we be surprised... it makes perfect sense that we see this evil acted out in the form of senseless, depraved shootings. Best advice I can think of "trust in God but keep your powder dry" Jon Smith (I think)

Well right now, women's uterus's are more regulated than guns in this country-- This is the REPUBLICAN way of getting things done--
My Guns Are Less Regulated Than My Uterus | HuffPost

oreo at your house the lights may be on but nobody is home.

And the elevator does not go all the way to the top.

And you are at least one sandwich shy of a picnic.

If you yourself have kids then make sure you home school them. That's the only effective way that you yourself will be able to protect them from school shooters. Any and all of your proposals are impotent.

 

[yiostheoy]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

None of these will prevent and evil-sick person from acquiring weapons on the black market in order to kill people.

What they will accomplish is to make law-abiding people less able to defend themselves and others.

Not only that but these days the technology exists to easily make your own guns out of composite.

 

[NightFox]

Is it all possible that "the People" would not have gotten to that point if they had leadership that was honest, perceptive and focused on the long-term best interests of society instead of the disingenuous, only focused on getting re-elected professional politicians that we ended up with?

In a Representative Republic ... The People pick the leaders ... Not the other way around.
They are picking leaders that do what they think they want ... Not for their leadership.

.

Thanks but you didn't answer the question.

In the past the United States has had leaders that provided the kind of leadership I was talking about, so where did it go wrong? When and why did "the People" stop valuing leadership in favor of valuing short term gratification, patronizing rhetoric and celebrity glitz?

 

[jc456]

Does anyone else find it weird that mental illness hardly ever massacres people in Australia, UK, Japan or Canada?

I’m visiting St. Louis and last night two people were murdered with a knife, one was a two year old. Should we do something about knives? It isn’t the utensil, it’s the individual and lack of law enforcement actually doing their jobs. The fbi was told about the villain and should have picked him up. How about not making schools soft targets. Security! Dude, it isn’t the gun

I didn't say it was the gun. It's the access to guns.

What is it you want that isn’t prosecuted today? Use a gun lose freedom. Why are you and lefts Against that?

 

[boedicca]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

Moral relativism is not just the 'new norm' it is being championed just about everywhere... Is it any wonder that we have infanticide in the 10's of millions, Judaeo Christian standards are gleefully being repudiated and replaced.... How can we be surprised... it makes perfect sense that we see this evil acted out in the form of senseless, depraved shootings. Best advice I can think of "trust in God but keep your powder dry" Jon Smith (I think)

Well right now, women's uterus's are more regulated than guns in this country, This is the REPUBLICAN way of getting things done--
My Guns Are Less Regulated Than My Uterus | HuffPost

That is complete and utter nonsense. Women do not go through background checks before having sex...although if Progs get their way, men will soon be subject to them.

 

[NightFox]

Well right now, women's uterus's are more regulated than guns in this country, This is the REPUBLICAN way of getting things done--

What does one thing have to do with the other thing? Are you suggesting that we base federal gun control policy on our existing abortion policy?

 

[BlackSand]

Thanks but you didn't answer the question.

In the past the United States has had leaders that provided the kind of leadership I was talking about, so where did it go wrong? When and why did "the People" stop valuing leadership in favor of valuing short term gratification, patronizing rhetoric and celebrity glitz?

Uh ... You didn't understand the answer ...
Representatives are elected to represent the People ... Not to lead the People.

It went wrong when the People expect the federal government to effectively and efficiently do what it cannot or should not.
The problem isn't the politics or politicians ... They are only empowered by the People.

Stop looking for leadership from the federal government ... They don't have your best interests in mind ... No matter what they promise.

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[BasicHumanUnit]

Gun control is a myth. A Leftist fantasy. Even IF Leftist could confiscate ALL (known) guns currently in Americans hands......(yeah, good luck with that)

It takes only a few hours to PRINT a working gun on a 3D printer.
Never mind all the millions of private shop and home lathes and metal working equipment in American homes and businesses.

Did you see the Gatling guns and 50 cal+ heavy weapons people have home made and in their shops?
(The overwhelming vast majority of people who make such things will never ever make it known, but I'd estimate at least a million heavy military style weapons are created privately each year in the USA)

Factor in the massive black market of millions of conventional arms entering the country via their beloved immigrants annually and VOILA !!

Gun grabbers have absolutely no idea how utterly pointless their gun grabbing agendas are.

Gun Control Dreamers are simply Delusional Knee-Jerkers

 

[miketx]

Common sense gun control means train and arm the teachers.

Honestly, the best thing is make schools into fortresses with iron doors, metal detectors, and on-scene armed security.

Arming the teachers is as foolish as arming the kids would be.

Imbecile, when the kids come in and out, so does the shooter. Forgot about that huh?

 

[NightFox]

Thanks but you didn't answer the question.

In the past the United States has had leaders that provided the kind of leadership I was talking about, so where did it go wrong? When and why did "the People" stop valuing leadership in favor of valuing short term gratification, patronizing rhetoric and celebrity glitz?

Uh ... You didn't understand the answer ...
Representatives are elected to represent the People ... Not to lead the People.

I beg to differ, POTUS is (supposed to be) an elected leadership position, the legislative branch consists of (what are supposed to be) individual leaders chosen to represent the collective interests of their constituencies, the framers never intended or believed that legislators would be nothing more than errand boys carrying lists of wants.

It went wrong when the People expect the federal government to effectively and efficiently do what it cannot or should not.
The problem isn't the politics or politicians ... They are only empowered by the People.

I never disputed that, what I asked was why and when you think that happened?

Stop looking for leadership from the federal government ... They don't have your best interests in mind ... No matter what they promise.
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I'm not looking for leadership from the federal government, I was and still am bemoaning the fact that it no longer exists there.

 

[Crixus]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Yup. Same old shit as with Paduca. You also give two fucks about kids getting shot. Your lazyness in posting on the topic are proof.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

Those are not the root causes lol.
99.99o99% of children in single parent homes don't become mass murders. Movies, video games and music? Same stats apply.

MENTAL HEALTH is the underlying issue. A child of sound & stable mentality does not kill.

BOTH sides are so far off the mark on this issue it's sad.

 

[KeiserC]

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Who do we vote for if we want to protect the constitution and instead hold the shooters responsible?

Our forefathers never intended to use the 2nd amendment as an excuse to slaugher innocent American citizens.

You sound like a bitch in heat… What did Jefferson say about the tree of liberty?

Sorry for being 'nit picky' Friedrich von Hayek... "Bitch in heat" is redundant...lol

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Those are not the root causes lol.
99.99o99% of children in single parent homes don't become mass murders. Movies, video games and music? Same stats apply.

MENTAL HEALTH is the underlying issue. A child of sound & stable mentality does not kill.

BOTH sides are so far off the mark on this issue it's sad.

Yet you cannot deny that nearly ALL mass shooters were Leftists.....